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Message no. 1
From: mattness@**.pl (mattness@**.pl)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:18:08 +0100
Hi, List :)
I'm looking for list of most important graphics, which illustrate
Shadowrun since '89.
Oh, Dear Bwana ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bwana )!
Me want to make a poll / flame topic bout greatest/ugliest SR illustrator.
If Bwana seen discusion about great/awful laubenstein graphics are, Bwana
knows What me wants to do .
TIA

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MATT
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Message no. 2
From: snicker@*********.net (Snicker)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:48:23 -0600
At 02:18 PM 1/9/2006, MATT wrote:

>Hi, List :)
>I'm looking for list of most important graphics, which illustrate
>Shadowrun since '89.
>Oh, Dear Bwana ( http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bwana )!
>Me want to make a poll / flame topic bout greatest/ugliest SR illustrator.
>If Bwana seen discusion about great/awful laubenstein graphics are, Bwana
>knows What me wants to do .

Regretably, "Bwana" does have a bit of a negative connotation, but I think
I'll ignore that, as well as the apparent trolling, simply because I have
an opinion ;)

Larry Elmore.

Hands down. Without a shadow of a doubt, Elmore is one of the best artists
in the fantasy genre to begin with, but his work with Shadowrun is
phenomenal. Laubensteins portraiture is excellent, mind you - but a bit,
almost, caricaturish, whereas Elmore's work tells a story unto
itself. Every major piece of his that I've seen stands alone, but also
stands strong beside whatever story it's emphasizing. He has a great sense
of scale, excellent use of colour, and the imagery, while not "fantastic",
is real and believable. A storyteller with a paintbrush, that's Larry Elmore.

I was fortunate enough to bump into him at Gen Con, signing posters and
lithos. Though I was mostly broke, I managed to scratch up a first-ed
cover poster and got him to sign it. Though it's only a cheap poster, it's
one of my prized artistic possessions.

Snicker
Message no. 3
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:28:14 +0100
According to mattness@**.pl, on 09-01-2006 21:18 the word on the street
was...

> Me want to make a poll / flame topic bout greatest/ugliest SR illustrator.

That doesn't need a poll: Earl Geier is your man :)

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Message no. 4
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:32:00 -0800
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:28:14 +0100
Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> According to mattness@**.pl, on 09-01-2006 21:18 the word on the street
> was...
>
> > Me want to make a poll / flame topic bout greatest/ugliest SR
> illustrator.
>
> That doesn't need a poll: Earl Geier is your man :)
>
>
DOOG!
--Anders
Message no. 5
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:40 +0100
According to Anders Swenson, on 10-01-2006 17:32 the word on the street
was...

> DOOG!

Geier is definitely worse. I like some of the Larry McDougal (sp?)
illustrations, at least from those after he discovered he could use more
than just black and white.

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Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Years come three for the price of one.
-> Former NAGEE Editor & ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Site: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UB+ P(+) L++ E W++(--) N o? K w-- O
M+ PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D G+ e h! !r y?
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Message no. 6
From: mattness@**.pl (mattness@**.pl)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:42:03 +0100
According to Snicker, on 09-01-2006 21:18
the word on the street was...

> Regretably, "Bwana" does have a bit of a negativeconnotation, but I
> think I'll ignore that

I didn't want to offend no one with that :) .
"Bwana" just justified my poor English.

Anders Swenson wrote:
> DOOG!
According to Gurth,
the word on the street was...
> That doesn't need a poll: Earl Geier is your man

Hey, Guys - I didn't want to make a topic here! :D
No one create list of main SR illustrators?

--
MATT
nr gadugadu - 4976496
mattness@**.pl
http://shadowrun-polska.prv.pl
Message no. 7
From: jeremie.bouillon@****.fr (Jeremie Bouillon)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:20:59 +0100
Le 21:18 09/01/2006, mattness@**.pl écrivait :
>Me want to make a poll / flame topic bout greatest/ugliest SR illustrator.

Easy for the greatest, Bergting was The Man.

I just re-read Aztlan Sourcebook to check on some
timestamp and locales, my god he was good.


--
http://shadowrun.fr
Message no. 8
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:59:15 -0800
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:20:59 +0100
Jeremie Bouillon <jeremie.bouillon@****.fr> wrote:
> Le 21:18 09/01/2006, mattness@**.pl écrivait :
> >Me want to make a poll / flame topic bout greatest/ugliest SR
> illustrator.
>
> Easy for the greatest, Bergting was The Man.
>
> I just re-read Aztlan Sourcebook to check on some timestamp and locales, my
> god he was good.
>
Perhaps I was unclear, DOOG rules SR Illos.
--Anders
Message no. 9
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:21:07 +0100
According to mattness@**.pl, on 10-01-2006 22:42 the word on the street
was...

> Hey, Guys - I didn't want to make a topic here! :D

Then you shouldn't have brought it up ;)

> No one create list of main SR illustrators?

Not sure ... it's not hard to do yourself, though, if you have a fair
number of SR books from the past 15 years or so. Most artists worked on
multiple books, so you probably won't need access to absolutely all the
books in order to be able to list (nearly?) all of them.

--
Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Years come three for the price of one.
-> Former NAGEE Editor & ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Site: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UB+ P(+) L++ E W++(--) N o? K w-- O
M+ PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 10
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:22:00 +0100
According to Anders Swenson, on 10-01-2006 23:59 the word on the street
was...

> Perhaps I was unclear, DOOG rules SR Illos.

Whereas I was saying Earl Geier was quite likely the worst illustrator
to be employed by FASA :)

--
Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Years come three for the price of one.
-> Former NAGEE Editor & ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Site: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UB+ P(+) L++ E W++(--) N o? K w-- O
M+ PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 11
From: jjvanp@*****.com (Jan Jaap van Poelgeest)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:24:01 -0800 (PST)
--- Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:

> Whereas I was saying Earl Geier was quite likely the
> worst illustrator
> to be employed by FASA :)

I'm tend to dislike artwork by Tom Baxa worse than
that by Geier, although of the two Baxa is clearly
more imaginative.

cheers,

Jan Jaap


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Message no. 12
From: run@***********.com (run@***********.com)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:55:46 -0500
Whoever that chic was that did the race artwork for sr4 was definitely the
worst.
The dwarf with the wool pants was terrible and the troll chic were attrocious.


At 02:24 PM 1/11/2006, Jan Jaap van Poelgeest wrote:
>--- Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
>
> > Whereas I was saying Earl Geier was quite likely the
> > worst illustrator
> > to be employed by FASA :)
>
>I'm tend to dislike artwork by Tom Baxa worse than
>that by Geier, although of the two Baxa is clearly
>more imaginative.
>
>cheers,
>
>Jan Jaap
>
>
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Message no. 13
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:06:26 +0100
On 11 Jan 2006, at 23:55, run@***********.com wrote:

> Whoever that chic was that did the race artwork for sr4 was
> definitely the worst.
> The dwarf with the wool pants was terrible and the troll chic were
> attrocious.

Indeed, those are bad. Still much better than anything "Boobies!"
Prescott ever produced, though. I'm *so* glad they got rid of him.

-- Wild_Cat





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Message no. 14
From: jjvanp@*****.com (Jan Jaap van Poelgeest)
Subject: List of important SR graphics & illustrators
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:57:07 -0800 (PST)
--- run@***********.com wrote:

> Whoever that chic was that did the race artwork for
> sr4 was definitely the
> worst.
> The dwarf with the wool pants was terrible and the
> troll chic were attrocious.

It's a stylish dwarf. Yes, he's a grime-covered rigger
for most of his daily life, but for this picture he
decided to make himself look pretty. :)

However, I do agree that the mainstay of the
text-bordered SR4 art could be presented more
favourably, especially in the equipment section.

Even though the idea of having an illustration next to
every description is excellent, a presentation wherein
the text refers to a full-page illo might be
preferrable if descriptions are concise.

I must be thinking of strangely appealing
science-textbooks.

cheers,

Jan Jaap

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