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Message no. 1
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:13:10 +1000
Okay, time to start re-flogging a dead horse: How many of you received
97`s list shirt from Faux Pas? I know a few did, but I`ve never received
the EIGHT shirts I paid for (for the whole gaming group here) and I`m
feeling just a trifle ripped off.

I`d be inclined to think it`s just delayed due to overseas mailing, but
I know a few non-US listmembers have got their shirts. Does anyone know
what the story is?

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 2
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 02:00:34 -0700
> Okay, time to start re-flogging a dead horse: How many of you received
> 97`s list shirt from Faux Pas? I know a few did, but I`ve never received
> the EIGHT shirts I paid for (for the whole gaming group here) and I`m
> feeling just a trifle ripped off.

I got mine..And no matter how far away you are..if yours were sent at
the same time they hould have reached you by now..I suggest you
contact FP ..
--------------------------------GRANITE
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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:06:41 +0100
Lady Jestyr said on 11:13/11 May 98...

> Okay, time to start re-flogging a dead horse: How many of you received
> 97`s list shirt from Faux Pas? I know a few did, but I`ve never received
> the EIGHT shirts I paid for (for the whole gaming group here) and I`m
> feeling just a trifle ripped off.

I got my shirt about 2 months ago, and still need to contact Faux Pas over
actually paying for it -- we ran into some problems, and he never did
write back to my messages unless I mentioned it on the list; anybody know
if he has a current email address?

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Message no. 4
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:41:52 -0500
On 11 May 98 at 11:06, Gurth wrote:

> Lady Jestyr said on 11:13/11 May 98...
>
> > Okay, time to start re-flogging a dead horse: How many of you received
> > 97`s list shirt from Faux Pas? I know a few did, but I`ve never received
> > the EIGHT shirts I paid for (for the whole gaming group here) and I`m
> > feeling just a trifle ripped off.
>
> I got my shirt about 2 months ago, and still need to contact Faux
> Pas over actually paying for it -- we ran into some problems, and he
> never did write back to my messages unless I mentioned it on the
> list; anybody know if he has a current email address?

Not that I can tell. His site (http://telltale.hart.org) seems to be
down, too.

Did anybody save the return label on the shirt you did receive? With
that address, we could probably get a phone number or something.

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Message no. 5
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:34:33 -0600
At 10:41 11/05/98 -0500, you wrote:

>> I got my shirt about 2 months ago, and still need to contact Faux
>> Pas over actually paying for it -- we ran into some problems, and he
>> never did write back to my messages unless I mentioned it on the
>> list; anybody know if he has a current email address?
>
>Not that I can tell. His site (http://telltale.hart.org) seems to be
>down, too.

He has a new site up at -- http://www.intercall.net/~fauxpas, but the
provider appears to be down right now.

>Did anybody save the return label on the shirt you did receive? With
>that address, we could probably get a phone number or something.

I probably have it.. somewhere.

-Adam J
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Message no. 6
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:41:39 -0600
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:51:54 -0500, dghost@****.com <dghost@****.com> wrote:
>
> Oddly, that reminds me ... Does anybody still do list shirts? :)

I offered to do them last year, but no one was keen on one of the
options I chose; using Cafepress. No one else stepped up to do it the
old fashioned way (finding a local printer, dealing with a local
printer, and losing money out of their pocket on the deal instead of
breaking even ;)

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Message no. 7
From: bull@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:23:47 -0400
At 08:41 PM 9/12/2004, Graht wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:51:54 -0500, dghost@****.com <dghost@****.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oddly, that reminds me ... Does anybody still do list shirts? :)
>
>I offered to do them last year, but no one was keen on one of the
>options I chose; using Cafepress. No one else stepped up to do it the
>old fashioned way (finding a local printer, dealing with a local
>printer, and losing money out of their pocket on the deal instead of
>breaking even ;)

It's a tough thing to do. Price is always a major factor... ANd for some
of us, size is a major factor as well.

I absolutely love T-Shirt companies at the major game cons that don;t carry
"Gamer Sizes" (XXXL+, or even XXL in some cases).

If Cafepress is still free, I'd say do one up this year :]

Bull
Message no. 8
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:53:16 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graht" <graht1@*****.com>
To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: List Shirts


> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:51:54 -0500, dghost@****.com <dghost@****.com>
wrote:
> >
> > Oddly, that reminds me ... Does anybody still do list shirts? :)
>
> I offered to do them last year, but no one was keen on one of the
> options I chose; using Cafepress.

[snip]

I still would buy a shirt. Fancy up the artwork, too.
--Anders
Message no. 9
From: milliken@*********.on.net (Damion Milliken)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:24:04 +1000
Anders writes:

> > On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:51:54 -0500, dghost@****.com <dghost@****.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oddly, that reminds me ... Does anybody still do list shirts? :)
> >
> > I offered to do them last year, but no one was keen on one of the
> > options I chose; using Cafepress.
>
> [snip]
>
> I still would buy a shirt. Fancy up the artwork, too

List shirts would be good. I think we should go ahead and do it, and if people don't want
them, then they just don't get one. This would work OK with CafePress, wouldn't it?

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Message no. 10
From: zebulingod@*******.net (zebulingod@*******.net)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:36:54 -0700
Damion Milliken wrote:
>
> Anders writes:
>
> > > On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:51:54 -0500, dghost@****.com
> > > <dghost@****.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oddly, that reminds me ... Does anybody still do list shirts? :)
> > >
> > > I offered to do them last year, but no one was keen on one of the
> > > options I chose; using Cafepress.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > I still would buy a shirt. Fancy up the artwork, too
>
> List shirts would be good. I think we should go ahead and do
> it, and if people don't want them, then they just don't get
> one. This would work OK with CafePress, wouldn't it?
>

I'd spring for one, too!

Zebulin
Message no. 11
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:57:51 +0200
According to Graht, on Monday 13 September 2004 02:41 the word on the
street was...

> I offered to do them last year, but no one was keen on one of the
> options I chose; using Cafepress.

Could you remind me (us?) what that is again? :)

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Message no. 12
From: bull@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:42:12 -0400
At 04:57 AM 9/13/2004, Gurth wrote:
>According to Graht, on Monday 13 September 2004 02:41 the word on the
>street was...
>
> > I offered to do them last year, but no one was keen on one of the
> > options I chose; using Cafepress.
>
>Could you remind me (us?) what that is again? :)

CafePress is/was an online service that will print to order a whole bunch
of things (Namely shirts, mugs, and Mousepads) with artwork that you
supply. THey're a tad pricey (About on par with buying a Licensed T-SHirt
off the rack, I'd say), but the nice thing is you just set the shirt and
styles you want, and whoever wants can order one from them. No other work
on the original sellers part.

I'm not sure if this has changed at all, as my info is about 4 years old now.

The downside is that they are a tad pricey. If we found someplace to print
them, it would be cheaper, but there's a lot of work involved with that as
orders and money have to be collected ahead of time, etc.

Bull
Message no. 13
From: lists@*******.com (Wordman)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:34:05 -0400
On Sep 13, 2004, at 10:42 PM, Bull wrote:

> CafePress is/was an online service that will print to order a whole
> bunch of things (Namely shirts, mugs, and Mousepads) with artwork that
> you supply. THey're a tad pricey (About on par with buying a Licensed
> T-SHirt off the rack, I'd say), but the nice thing is you just set the
> shirt and styles you want, and whoever wants can order one from them.
> No other work on the original sellers part.

They still exist. They now appear to have a "value t-shirt" starting at
$8.99 in sizes Small, Medium, Large, X-Large, 2X-Large (+$3.00),
3X-Large (+$3.00), 4X-Large (+$3.00).

One cool thing about them is that they print to order, so there is no
minimum run or anything. You can put your design on a huge variety of
stuff (coffee mugs, mouse pads, g-strings, etc.) and there is no cost
because they only produce the item when/if someone orders it. So, if
you want a grey shirt and everyone else wants white, no sweat.

I sadly lost one of my list shirts (the black one with the green binary
on it). If we had used the cafe-press system I could order another one.
Message no. 14
From: lists@*******.com (Wordman)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:40:24 -0400
Also looks like they can do 35% for bulk pricing, sort of:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/bulk.aspx

Not sure we could take advantage, though, as reshipping might eat
savings.
Message no. 15
From: nightgyr@*********.com.au (Smoke)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:41:38 +1000
> One cool thing about them is that they print to order, so there is no
> minimum run or anything. You can put your design on a huge variety of
> stuff (coffee mugs, mouse pads, g-strings, etc.) and there is no cost
> because they only produce the item when/if someone orders it. So, if you
> want a grey shirt and everyone else wants white, no sweat.

Do they deliver worldwide?

> I sadly lost one of my list shirts (the black one with the green binary on
> it). If we had used the cafe-press system I could order another one.

I still wear that one proudly, though I wear it over the top of another
shirt since I lost a LOT of weight since I got it and it no longer fits
properly. nb: thats a good thing ;-)

Smoke
Message no. 16
From: lists@*******.com (Wordman)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:45:56 -0400
On Sep 13, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Smoke wrote:

> Do they deliver worldwide?

Yes. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/shipping.aspx#1
Message no. 17
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:51:15 -0700
So. Art.
--Anders
Message no. 18
From: allura@***********.org (Joanna Hurley)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:59:25 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com
> [mailto:shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com] On Behalf Of Wordman

> I sadly lost one of my list shirts (the black one with the
> green binary on it). If we had used the cafe-press system I
> could order another one.


Speaking of shirts, does anyone know if it's still possible to get the old
Shadowrun logo shirts? DH has one, but it's go holes in it...

Joanna
Message no. 19
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:43:51 +0200
According to Bull, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 04:42 the word on the
street was...

> CafePress is/was an online service that will print to order a whole
> bunch of things (Namely shirts, mugs, and Mousepads) with artwork that
> you supply.

Ah, yes, I remember now.

> The downside is that they are a tad pricey. If we found someplace to
> print them, it would be cheaper, but there's a lot of work involved with
> that as orders and money have to be collected ahead of time, etc.

The problem with the list T-shirts was always that only about half the
people who said they wanted one, also actually bought one -- and that,
IIRC, tended to mean they were more expensive than was announced to the
list (and so the person printing them ended up putting their own money
into it).

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Message no. 20
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:47:22 +0200
According to Wordman, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 05:34 the word on the
street was...

> One cool thing about them is that they print to order, so there is no
> minimum run or anything. You can put your design on a huge variety of
> stuff (coffee mugs, mouse pads, g-strings, etc.) and there is no cost
> because they only produce the item when/if someone orders it. So, if
> you want a grey shirt and everyone else wants white, no sweat.

My only real question, then, is: how do they print T-shirts? Because if
it's essentially an iron-on sticker, the shirt won't last long if you put
it into the laundry a few times, whereas my previous list shirts (all
screen-printed, for those who've never seen them) are still OK even though
the first one is now ten years old.

> I sadly lost one of my list shirts (the black one with the green binary
> on it).

That's the '99 one.

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Message no. 21
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:50:24 +0200
According to Joanna Hurley, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 06:59 the word on
the street was...

> Speaking of shirts, does anyone know if it's still possible to get the
> old Shadowrun logo shirts? DH has one, but it's go holes in it...

I'm guessing it will be difficult. The '94 and '95 shirts were printed by
list founder Rob Hayden, who we haven't seen on here for the better part
of a decade; while the '97 and '98 shirts came from another long-departed
listmember (if only I could remember his name...). The '99 shirt was
printed in three countries by three different people (Graht in the US,
Lady Jestyr in Australia, and another person whose name I can't recal
right now in Belgium); you'll probably have the greatest chance that one
of the latter still has a shirt to spare, but I wouldn't count on it.

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Message no. 22
From: milliken@*********.on.net (Damion Milliken)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:22:49 +1000
Gurth writes:

> I'm guessing it will be difficult. The '94 and '95 shirts were printed
> by list founder Rob Hayden, who we haven't seen on here for the better
> part of a decade; while the '97 and '98 shirts came from another
> long-departed listmember (if only I could remember his name...).

The '97 and '98 shirts were the ones with (a) a black background with a hovering magician
and hand razor'd street sammy, and (b) the one in a pale pink/off white background with
the Da Vinci-like Vitruvian-Sammy, right? I think Thomas Deeny (aka Faux Pas) organised
those the '97 one, and Ereskanti (aka NeoJudas aka J. Keith Henry) organised the '98 one.
I can't recall which one is which, as they don't have years on them like the '94 and '95
ones do. I might be wrong on this, as I also recall there was a year where there were big
mess-ups and either the shirts didn't get made, or some people didn't get shirts due to
odd postage problems.

> The '99 shirt was printed in three countries by three different people
> (Graht in the US, Lady Jestyr in Australia, and another person whose
> name I can't recal right now in Belgium); you'll probably have the
> greatest chance that one of the latter still has a shirt to spare, but
> I wouldn't count on it.

I missed that one somehow :-(. I, too, would be interested in one if they happen to still
be around (but I don't think there's much chance ;-)).

If we're going to organise list shirts by country again, I could do the Australian end of
things if Lady J didn't want to do it again.

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Message no. 23
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:17:33 +0200
According to Damion Milliken, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 11:22 the word
on the street was...

> The '97 and '98 shirts were the ones with (a) a black background with a
> hovering magician and hand razor'd street sammy, and (b) the one in a
> pale pink/off white background with the Da Vinci-like Vitruvian-Sammy,
> right? I think Thomas Deeny (aka Faux Pas) organised those the '97 one,
> and Ereskanti (aka NeoJudas aka J. Keith Henry) organised the '98 one.

Hang on, I missed one. That's to say, not the shirt, but in my listing of
them earlier -- I totally forgot about the '98 one with the biohazard-like
symbol on the front. The pink/white one and the black one with the
comic-style artwork were both done by Thomas Deeny (that was the name I
was looking for, thanks :) but the '96 shirt was severely delayed and
arrived early in '97, while the other one came late in '97. I also recall
never even paying for one of the two -- I had asked Thomas how he wanted
the payment, and he never really told me, but sent me the shirt anyway...

Next came the '98 shirt with artwork by Mongoose, which IIRC Keith Henry
and Mike Bobroff (sp?) printed up and sent out. These were to be seen a
lot at GC98 :)

> I can't recall which one is which, as they don't have years on them like
> the '94 and '95 ones do.

IIRC the white shirt is the '96 one, while the black shirt was from '97.
The white was of much better quality (the black one shrunk horribly :)

> I might be wrong on this, as I also recall
> there was a year where there were big mess-ups and either the shirts
> didn't get made, or some people didn't get shirts due to odd postage
> problems.

That was the same one I got for free, I think.

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Message no. 24
From: snicker@*********.net (Snicker)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:25:07 -0500
At 09:42 PM 9/13/2004, you wrote:
>At 04:57 AM 9/13/2004, Gurth wrote:
>>According to Graht, on Monday 13 September 2004 02:41 the word on the
>>street was...
>>
>> > I offered to do them last year, but no one was keen on one of the
>> > options I chose; using Cafepress.
>>
>>Could you remind me (us?) what that is again? :)
>
>CafePress is/was an online service that will print to order a whole bunch
>of things (Namely shirts, mugs, and Mousepads) with artwork that you
>supply. THey're a tad pricey (About on par with buying a Licensed T-SHirt
>off the rack, I'd say), but the nice thing is you just set the shirt and
>styles you want, and whoever wants can order one from them. No other work
>on the original sellers part.
>
>I'm not sure if this has changed at all, as my info is about 4 years old now.
>
>The downside is that they are a tad pricey. If we found someplace to
>print them, it would be cheaper, but there's a lot of work involved with
>that as orders and money have to be collected ahead of time, etc.


I run several cafepress sites. They're no more expensive than shirts at a
con, and they have a LOT more merchandise than they used to.

Snicker
Message no. 25
From: snicker@*********.net (Snicker)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:38:34 -0500
At 03:47 AM 9/14/2004, you wrote:
>According to Wordman, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 05:34 the word on the
>street was...
>
> > One cool thing about them is that they print to order, so there is no
> > minimum run or anything. You can put your design on a huge variety of
> > stuff (coffee mugs, mouse pads, g-strings, etc.) and there is no cost
> > because they only produce the item when/if someone orders it. So, if
> > you want a grey shirt and everyone else wants white, no sweat.
>
>My only real question, then, is: how do they print T-shirts? Because if
>it's essentially an iron-on sticker, the shirt won't last long if you put
>it into the laundry a few times, whereas my previous list shirts (all
>screen-printed, for those who've never seen them) are still OK even though
>the first one is now ten years old.

It is, but those stickers are much higher quality than they used to
be. The major disadvantage is: No printing on black. Yet. They're
working on it, though.

Snicker
Message no. 26
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:44:24 -0400
On 14-Sep-04, at 8:38 AM, Snicker wrote:

> It is, but those stickers are much higher quality than they used to
> be. The major disadvantage is: No printing on black. Yet. They're
> working on it, though.

I've seen some recent Cafepress shirts, and I'm not impressed by the
vibrancy of certain colours, especially reds.

Adam
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Message no. 27
From: milliken@*********.on.net (Damion Milliken)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:50:44 +1000
Regarding the previous ShadowRN Mailing List T-Shirts, would you be able to get pictures
of the ones that you have, Gurth? I'm thinking it might be kind of cool to upload the
images to a web site, and list the years, and other interesting info (like the
person/people who made them, the artists, people who got them, and so on). I can take
photos of the ones that I have and provide what info I know as well.

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Message no. 28
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:54:17 +0200
According to Snicker, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 14:38 the word on the
street was...

> It is, but those stickers are much higher quality than they used to
> be. The major disadvantage is: No printing on black. Yet. They're
> working on it, though.

I'm browsing around at cafepress.com ATM, and it has me wondering: why not
do something else than a T-shirt? True, the shirts are a list tradition,
but OTOH they're a ten-year-old tradition that hasn't been observed for
five years... I mean, we could do, say, a ShadowRN list 2005 calendar, or
a ShadowRN coffee mug (not my choice, as I don't drink coffee, but I can
see why some people would want one :), ShadowRN mousepad, or even a
ShadowRN lunchbox...

--
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Message no. 29
From: milliken@*********.on.net (Damion Milliken)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:09:51 +1000
Gurth writes:

> ... or even a ShadowRN lunchbox...

I think a SR teddy bear is the go! ;-P

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Message no. 30
From: lists@*******.com (Wordman)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:11:21 -0400
On Sep 14, 2004, at 8:54 AM, Gurth wrote:

> I'm browsing around at cafepress.com ATM, and it has me wondering: why
> not
> do something else than a T-shirt?

The ShadowRN swimsuit calendar? I know we're all dying to see various
list members in thongs. Just a thought.
Message no. 31
From: u.alberton@*****.com (Bira)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:20:29 -0300
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:09:51 +1000, Damion Milliken
<milliken@*********.on.net> wrote:
> Gurth writes:
>
> > ... or even a ShadowRN lunchbox...
>
> I think a SR teddy bear is the go! ;-P

Can they put a little cybereye on it? :)

--
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Message no. 32
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:23:58 +0200
According to Damion Milliken, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 14:50 the word
on the street was...

> Regarding the previous ShadowRN Mailing List T-Shirts, would you be able
> to get pictures of the ones that you have, Gurth?

I was, in fact, thinking the same thing this morning :) It's not a problem,
I've got as digital camera and all the list shirts, so it's mostly a
matter of spending half an hour or so making the photos and editing them
slightly.

--
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"Als ik efficiënt wilde zijn dan nam ik om te beginnen niet eens
de moeite om vandaag aanwezig te zijn" --G. de Vader
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Message no. 33
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:26:42 +0200
According to Wordman, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 15:11 the word on the
street was...

> The ShadowRN swimsuit calendar? I know we're all dying to see various
> list members in thongs. Just a thought.

Too bad the calendar is a single sheet with all 12 months and a single
image at the top. 12 separate pics, one for each month, would be so much
better ;)

OTOH, having met quite a lot of the listmembers over the years, I'm not
sure I'd want to see some of them wearing less than a full set of
clothes... :)

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de moeite om vandaag aanwezig te zijn" --G. de Vader
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Message no. 34
From: milliken@*********.on.net (Damion Milliken)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:28:17 +1000
Wordman writes:

> The ShadowRN swimsuit calendar? I know we're all dying to see various
> list members in thongs. Just a thought.

Dvixen, you mean? :-P

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Message no. 35
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:43:06 +0200
According to Gurth, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 15:23 the word on the
street was...

> I was, in fact, thinking the same thing this morning :) It's not a
> problem, I've got as digital camera and all the list shirts, so it's
> mostly a matter of spending half an hour or so making the photos and
> editing them slightly.

Progress report: the photos have been taken :) Now it's a matter of cutting
off the unwanted bits and throwing the remains onto the web. I'll keep you
all posted...

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"Als ik efficiënt wilde zijn dan nam ik om te beginnen niet eens
de moeite om vandaag aanwezig te zijn" --G. de Vader
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Message no. 36
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:50:51 -0500
> From: Damion Milliken <milliken@*********.on.net>
>
> Gurth writes:
>
>> ... or even a ShadowRN lunchbox...
>
> I think a SR teddy bear is the go! ;-P


Yes! Complete with kid stealth legs, handrazors, and an ingram smartgun ;)
Message no. 37
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:18:58 +0200
For all those wanting pictures and a potted history of the list T-shirts,
go to http://plastic.dumpshock.com/shirts.

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"Als ik efficiënt wilde zijn dan nam ik om te beginnen niet eens
de moeite om vandaag aanwezig te zijn" --G. de Vader
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Message no. 38
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:26:52 -0600
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:18:58 +0200, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> For all those wanting pictures and a potted history of the list T-shirts,
> go to http://plastic.dumpshock.com/shirts.

Thank you Gurth :) One small point of order, I designed the front of
the 99 shirt, and Dvixen designed the back ;)

--
-Graht
Message no. 39
From: msde_shadowrn@*****.com (Mark S)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
Gurth writes:
> ... or even a ShadowRN lunchbox...

Ooh, I'd get one. I need a project box for a computer project.

Mark




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Message no. 40
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:47:10 -0700
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:26:42 +0200
Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
>> Too bad the calendar is a single sheet with all 12 months and a single
> image at the top. 12 separate pics, one for each month, would be so much
> better ;)
>
Hey. we don't have one artist volunteering, much less 12.
--Anders
Message no. 41
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:48:51 -0400
On 14-Sep-04, at 11:47 AM, Anders Swenson wrote:

> Hey. we don't have one artist volunteering, much less 12.

You seem really hung up on this art thing - perhaps you'd like to work
out some mockups of what you think the shirt should look like, or at
least throw out some ideas?

Adam
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Message no. 42
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:07:59 -0700
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:48:51 -0400
Adam Jury <adamj@*********.com> wrote:
>
> On 14-Sep-04, at 11:47 AM, Anders Swenson wrote:
>
> > Hey. we don't have one artist volunteering, much less 12.
>
> You seem really hung up on this art thing - perhaps you'd like to work out
> some mockups of what you think the shirt should look like, or at least
> throw out some ideas?
>
> Adam

No, I have little talent in tht area, but I recall that getting the actual
design in place was always the hardest part of the T shirt project. There are
many ways to make shirts, apparently, but none of them work without artwork.
I'm just trying to move the discussion on to the next phase. So, what about
recycling any of the old designs?
--Anders
Message no. 43
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:59:13 +0200
According to Graht, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 17:26 the word on the
street was...

> Thank you Gurth :) One small point of order, I designed the front of
> the 99 shirt, and Dvixen designed the back ;)

I didn't know that -- I always thought Dv had done both. The page has been
updated, anyway :)

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"Als ik efficiënt wilde zijn dan nam ik om te beginnen niet eens
de moeite om vandaag aanwezig te zijn" --G. de Vader
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Message no. 44
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:05:31 +0200
According to Anders Swenson, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 18:07 the word on
the street was...

> There are many ways to make shirts, apparently, but none of
> them work without artwork.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/595d/ :)

> I'm just trying to move the discussion on to
> the next phase. So, what about recycling any of the old designs?

What we need, I think, is to start throwing out ideas for what we'd like to
see on the front and/or back of the shirt. Undoable ideas can always be
discarded.

--
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"Als ik efficiënt wilde zijn dan nam ik om te beginnen niet eens
de moeite om vandaag aanwezig te zijn" --G. de Vader
-> Possibly NAGEE Editor & ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

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Message no. 45
From: crocadilly@********.com.au (Caroline & Joe)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:16:51 +1000
I have a list shirt that is black with the binary shadowrun logo on it if
that helps, I'll just have to pry it from the owners hands! (girlfriend)

Joe

> According to Damion Milliken, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 11:22 the word
> on the street was...
>
> > The '97 and '98 shirts were the ones with (a) a black background with a
> > hovering magician and hand razor'd street sammy, and (b) the one in a
> > pale pink/off white background with the Da Vinci-like Vitruvian-Sammy,
> > right? I think Thomas Deeny (aka Faux Pas) organised those the '97 one,
> > and Ereskanti (aka NeoJudas aka J. Keith Henry) organised the '98 one.
>
> Hang on, I missed one. That's to say, not the shirt, but in my listing of
> them earlier -- I totally forgot about the '98 one with the biohazard-like
> symbol on the front. The pink/white one and the black one with the
> comic-style artwork were both done by Thomas Deeny (that was the name I
> was looking for, thanks :) but the '96 shirt was severely delayed and
> arrived early in '97, while the other one came late in '97. I also recall
> never even paying for one of the two -- I had asked Thomas how he wanted
> the payment, and he never really told me, but sent me the shirt anyway...
>
> Next came the '98 shirt with artwork by Mongoose, which IIRC Keith Henry
> and Mike Bobroff (sp?) printed up and sent out. These were to be seen a
> lot at GC98 :)
>
> > I can't recall which one is which, as they don't have years on them like
> > the '94 and '95 ones do.
>
> IIRC the white shirt is the '96 one, while the black shirt was from '97.
> The white was of much better quality (the black one shrunk horribly :)
>
> > I might be wrong on this, as I also recall
> > there was a year where there were big mess-ups and either the shirts
> > didn't get made, or some people didn't get shirts due to odd postage
> > problems.
>
> That was the same one I got for free, I think.
>
> --
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> "Als ik efficiënt wilde zijn dan nam ik om te beginnen niet eens
> de moeite om vandaag aanwezig te zijn" --G. de Vader
> -> Possibly NAGEE Editor & ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
> -> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-
>
> GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UL+ P(+) L++ E W--(++) N o? K w(--)
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> Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
>
>
>
Message no. 46
From: nightgyr@*********.com.au (Smoke)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:48:23 +1000
> > The '99 shirt was printed in three countries by three different people
> > (Graht in the US, Lady Jestyr in Australia, and another person whose
> > name I can't recal right now in Belgium); you'll probably have the
> > greatest chance that one of the latter still has a shirt to spare, but
> > I wouldn't count on it.
>
> I missed that one somehow :-(. I, too, would be interested in one if they
happen to still be around (but I don't think there's much chance ;-)).
>
> If we're going to organise list shirts by country again, I could do the
Australian end of things if Lady J didn't want to do it again.

We love you Damo!

Yep Yep.. I'll get one if list shirts go ahead for '04!

Smoke
(was GreyWolf)
Message no. 47
From: lists@*******.com (Wordman)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:03:11 -0400
On Sep 14, 2004, at 9:28 AM, Damion Milliken wrote:

> Wordman writes:
>
>> The ShadowRN swimsuit calendar? I know we're all dying to see various
>> list members in thongs. Just a thought.
>
> Dvixen, you mean? :-P

Actually, I was thinking of Bull.
Message no. 48
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:07:10 -0400
On 14-Sep-04, at 7:03 PM, Wordman wrote:
>
> Actually, I was thinking of Bull.

Now that's something to die over... I mean, die for.

Adam
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Message no. 49
From: failhelm@*****.com (failhelm)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:20:08 -0700 (PDT)
--- Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:

> According to Anders Swenson, on Tuesday 14 September
> 2004 18:07 the word on
> the street was...
>
> > There are many ways to make shirts, apparently,
> but none of
> > them work without artwork.
>
> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/595d/ :)
>
> > I'm just trying to move the discussion on to
> > the next phase. So, what about recycling any of
> the old designs?
>
> What we need, I think, is to start throwing out
> ideas for what we'd like to
> see on the front and/or back of the shirt. Undoable
> ideas can always be
> discarded.

I'm all for a less is more with an edge, oh yes I'm in.
Message no. 50
From: dghost@****.com (dghost@****.com)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:31:49 -0500
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:54:17 +0200 Gurth <gurth@******.nl> writes:
> I'm browsing around at cafepress.com ATM, and it has me wondering: why
not
> do something else than a T-shirt? True, the shirts are a list
tradition,
> but OTOH they're a ten-year-old tradition that hasn't been observed for

> five years... I mean, we could do, say, a ShadowRN list 2005 calendar,
or
> a ShadowRN coffee mug (not my choice, as I don't drink coffee, but I
can
> see why some people would want one :), ShadowRN mousepad, or even a
> ShadowRN lunchbox...

Well, I always got the impression that list shirts were partly so that we
could identify others of our tribe at cons more easily. ... A ShadowRN is
quite as useful in that regard. ;)

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Message no. 51
From: dghost@****.com (dghost@****.com)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:22:16 -0500
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:34:05 -0400 Wordman <lists@*******.com> writes:
<Snip CafePress stuff>
> One cool thing about them is that they print to order, so there is no
> minimum run or anything. You can put your design on a huge variety of
> stuff (coffee mugs, mouse pads, g-strings, etc.) and there is no cost
> because they only produce the item when/if someone orders it. So, if
> you want a grey shirt and everyone else wants white, no sweat.

Yeah! Let's do a list G-String! That'll be great for next year's GenCon
...

> I sadly lost one of my list shirts (the black one with the green binary

> on it). If we had used the cafe-press system I could order another one.

You know ... I swear I had one and now I can't remebr ever seeing it ...
I hope I did order one :)

IIRC, however, it was done by a local printer that allowed people to
order more later ... Who handled that batch? K?

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Message no. 52
From: snicker@*********.net (Snicker)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:04:03 -0500
At 01:05 PM 9/14/2004, you wrote:
>According to Anders Swenson, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 18:07 the word on
>the street was...
>
> > There are many ways to make shirts, apparently, but none of
> > them work without artwork.
>
>http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/595d/ :)
>
> > I'm just trying to move the discussion on to
> > the next phase. So, what about recycling any of the old designs?
>
>What we need, I think, is to start throwing out ideas for what we'd like to
>see on the front and/or back of the shirt. Undoable ideas can always be
>discarded.

Working as I do with Convention artists, art might not be the problem
y'think ;)

*snicker*
Message no. 53
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:02:32 +0200
According to failhelm, on Wednesday 15 September 2004 01:20 the word on the
street was...

> I'm all for a less is more with an edge, oh yes I'm in.

While lying in bed this morning, I had the idea that we could do it like
Sgt. Pepper: have everyone who wants a {shirt|calendar|teddy
bear|lunchbox|etc.} send in a photo of themselves, and paste them al
together into a group portrait.

--
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"Als ik efficiënt wilde zijn dan nam ik om te beginnen niet eens
de moeite om vandaag aanwezig te zijn" --G. de Vader
-> Possibly NAGEE Editor & ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UL+ P(+) L++ E W--(++) N o? K w(--)
O V? PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D+ G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 54
From: geoff@*************.co.uk (Euphonium)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:05:57 +0100
----- Original Message -----
<From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
>To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:02 AM
>Subject: Re: List Shirts
>
>While lying in bed this morning, I had the idea that we could do it like
>Sgt. Pepper: have everyone who wants a {shirt|calendar|teddy
>bear|lunchbox|etc.} send in a photo of themselves, and paste them all
>together into a group portrait.

Sounds good to me...
Message no. 55
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:55:05 -0400
On 15-Sep-04, at 5:02 AM, Gurth wrote:
>
> While lying in bed this morning, I had the idea that we could do it
> like
> Sgt. Pepper: have everyone who wants a {shirt|calendar|teddy
> bear|lunchbox|etc.} send in a photo of themselves, and paste them al
> together into a group portrait.

Maybe you should brainstorm in the shower, instead? :)

I'd prefer something simple and elegant, but with Cafepress and the
lack-of-black, I'm afraid that our options are a little limited.

Adam
Message no. 56
From: jcotton1@*********.net (Joseph Cotton)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:33:14 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gurth
> While lying in bed this morning, I had the idea that we could
> do it like
> Sgt. Pepper: have everyone who wants a {shirt|calendar|teddy
> bear|lunchbox|etc.} send in a photo of themselves, and paste them al

> together into a group portrait.

Or if someone really wanted to go to town with that idea, have people
send photos and then turn them into a photo mosaic of whatever design
is finally settled upon.

One of these days I really have to get around to figuring out how to
get this program to do the "on <date> <time> <sender> said"
thing...
Not to mention writing up a proper .sig.

Joe Cotton
Yes, Gurth, it is the same one. I hope you're not planning another
trip to NC in August again anytime soon... ;)
Message no. 57
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:39:17 -0600
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:22:16 -0500, dghost@****.com <dghost@****.com> wrote:
> > I sadly lost one of my list shirts (the black one with the green binary
>
> > on it). If we had used the cafe-press system I could order another one.
>
> You know ... I swear I had one and now I can't remebr ever seeing it ...
> I hope I did order one :)
>
> IIRC, however, it was done by a local printer that allowed people to
> order more later ... Who handled that batch? K?

I handled the Green Binary "S", at least in the US. Sadly, the
printer did not have that option. I am seriously considering putting
it up on CafePress and pricing it at cost (i.e., no profit for me),
sans the list of members on the back (so it clearly is *not* the
original).

--
-Graht
Message no. 58
From: failhelm@*****.com (failhelm)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:34:24 -0700 (PDT)
--- Joseph Cotton <jcotton1@*********.net> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gurth
> > While lying in bed this morning, I had the idea
> that we could
> > do it like
> > Sgt. Pepper: have everyone who wants a
> {shirt|calendar|teddy
> > bear|lunchbox|etc.} send in a photo of themselves,
> and paste them al
>
> > together into a group portrait.
>
> Or if someone really wanted to go to town with that
> idea, have people
> send photos and then turn them into a photo mosaic
> of whatever design
> is finally settled upon.
>
> One of these days I really have to get around to
> figuring out how to
> get this program to do the "on <date> <time>
> <sender> said" thing...
> Not to mention writing up a proper .sig.
>
> Joe Cotton
> Yes, Gurth, it is the same one. I hope you're not
> planning another
> trip to NC in August again anytime soon... ;)

It would also be kind of cool to do a group portrait
in Seattles Underground City - of course I'm just
wierd like that.

- Failhelm
Message no. 59
From: trunks@********.org (kawaii ryuko)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:40:26 -0400
From: "Adam Jury" <adamj@*********.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 08:55


>
> I'd prefer something simple and elegant, but with Cafepress and the
> lack-of-black, I'm afraid that our options are a little limited.
>

<unidles>

You know, they say grey is the new black. ;)

</unidles>

> Adam
>

Ever lovable and always scrappy,
kawaii
Message no. 60
From: Paul.Grosse@***********.com (Paul Grosse)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:23:09 -0500
>
> I handled the Green Binary "S", at least in the US. Sadly,
> the printer did not have that option. I am seriously
> considering putting it up on CafePress and pricing it at cost
> (i.e., no profit for me), sans the list of members on the
> back (so it clearly is *not* the original).
>
> --
> -Graht
>
>

Why not have a lst member that everyone trusts, find a local highschool
with a good graphic arts dept. Get them involved, thereby helping in
their education, find out the costs of creating the t-shirts, and then
have everyone send their money for the t-shirt & shipping to that person
before they even start so the money if guaranteed?

Paul "Yes that Paul" Grosse
Message no. 61
From: lists@*******.com (Wordman)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:28:28 -0400
On Sep 15, 2004, at 5:02 AM, Gurth wrote:

> According to failhelm, on Wednesday 15 September 2004 01:20 the word
> on the
> street was...
>
>> I'm all for a less is more with an edge, oh yes I'm in.
>
> While lying in bed this morning, I had the idea that we could do it
> like
> Sgt. Pepper: have everyone who wants a {shirt|calendar|teddy
> bear|lunchbox|etc.} send in a photo of themselves, and paste them al
> together into a group portrait.

This is the best idea I've heard today. I'm all for it.

One thing: One of the rumors on the original Sgt. Pepper cover was that
the white/yellow flowers in the foreground (a think they are zinnias or
azaleas) spelled out P-A-U-L-?, indicating that Paul McCartney was dead
(a popular rumor at the time). In actuality, they are just supposed to
be the outline of a guitar. Even so, if we do this, I suggest some sort
of foreground arrangement that vaguely spells out N-I-G-E-L.
Message no. 62
From: milliken@*********.on.net (Damion Milliken)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:29:56 +1000
Wordman writes:

> This is the best idea I've heard today. I'm all for it.
> One thing: One of the rumors on the original Sgt. Pepper cover was that
> the white/yellow flowers in the foreground (a think they are zinnias or
> azaleas) spelled out P-A-U-L-?, indicating that Paul McCartney was dead
> (a popular rumor at the time). In actuality, they are just supposed to
> be the outline of a guitar. Even so, if we do this, I suggest some sort
> of foreground arrangement that vaguely spells out N-I-G-E-L.

Why that? What about NERSP? ;-)

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Message no. 63
From: milliken@*********.on.net (Damion Milliken)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:30:29 +1000
Graht writes:

> I handled the Green Binary "S", at least in the US. Sadly, the
> printer did not have that option. I am seriously considering putting
> it up on CafePress and pricing it at cost (i.e., no profit for me),
> sans the list of members on the back (so it clearly is *not* the
> original).

I think that would be a great idea! :-)

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Message no. 64
From: milliken@*********.on.net (Damion Milliken)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:31:41 +1000
I wrote:

> Why that? What about NERSP? ;-)

<blush> Make that "NERPS".

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Message no. 65
From: dvixen@*********.com (Dvixen)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:53:40 -0700
-----Original Message-----

According to Graht, on Tuesday 14 September 2004 17:26 the word on the
street was...

>> Thank you Gurth :) One small point of order, I designed the front of
>> the 99 shirt, and Dvixen designed the back ;)

> I didn't know that -- I always thought Dv had done both. The page has been

> updated, anyway :)

Nope. Was a dual project.

Which reminds me. Graht, if you still have an original - can you fire it to
- I lost all my custom stuff in a HD crash a while back. :(

-Dv
Message no. 66
From: dvixen@*********.com (Dvixen)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:58:41 -0700
Cafépress uses iron ons transfer method, and only offer white (and possibly
some grey and yellow now I believe) shirts. *yawn* to white shirts. ;)

I like Thinkgeek's shirts a bit better than cafepress - although the iron on
for dark shirts still leaves me wondering how long they'd last. I remain
happily in the silkscreen is superior camp.


-----Original Message-----

>I handled the Green Binary "S", at least in the US. Sadly, the
>printer did not have that option. I am seriously considering putting
>it up on CafePress and pricing it at cost (i.e., no profit for me),
>sans the list of members on the back (so it clearly is *not* the
>original).

>-Graht

I'd love to see a updates of our year - it's my fave. :)

Must have a baby doll shirt version too :D

-Dv
Message no. 67
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:02:25 +0200
According to Dvixen, on Thursday 16 September 2004 11:53 the word on the
street was...

> Nope. Was a dual project.

But I was right in thinking you said (at GC99, IIRC) that the back was
supposed to be two colors instead of only green, right?

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Message no. 68
From: dvixen@*********.com (Dvixen)
Subject: List Shirts
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:12:22 -0700
-----Original Message-----
From: shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com
[mailto:shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com] On Behalf Of Gurth
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:02 AM
To: Shadowrun Discussion
Subject: Re: List Shirts

According to Dvixen, on Thursday 16 September 2004 11:53 the word on the
street was...

>> Nope. Was a dual project.

>But I was right in thinking you said (at GC99, IIRC) that the back was
>supposed to be two colors instead of only green, right?

Original plans were to go dual colour - but the cost was a bit much and we
went single colour instead, leading to a bit of work to get it all to be
legible in one colour.

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