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Message no. 1
From: Damion Milliken <milko@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: List t-shirt: Archive link? Non list buyers? artists
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:35:45 +1000
wafflemiester writes:

> [Non List T-Shirt Buyers]
>
> What do people think? Should this be encouraged, or will it slow up
> the process?

Well, it's probably not a bad idea, but if we get the planned 50, then
there's likely little need for others to be roped into buying them as
there'll be little actual price drop.

> Also, is it offensive or overly egotistical if I incorporate a *SMALL*
> signature into the design- my real name or handle (haven't decided), and the
> year, squeezed as an 8 point font onto single threads of the large cog /
> knot? Most artist's sign thier work- in fact, the image on my page has a
> "signature"; its a grey spot on the treads of the design above the tittle
> bar, totally unobtusive (and illegibal at that resolution, hence the title
> bar).

I think that it's perfectly fine to put your signature (in whatever form) on
your artwork, even if it is being used for something that isn't really
yours. After all, the art is still yours.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: milko@***.edu.au
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Message no. 2
From: John E Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: List t-shirt: Archive link? Non list buyers? artists
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:38:42 -0500
wafflemiester wrote:
<snip>
> What do people think? Should this be encouraged, or will it slow up
> the process?

*shrug* Doesn't make much difference to me either way, but I am trying to
save some money this summer:) If no-one minds, I'd say go for it.

> Also, is it offensive or overly egotistical if I incorporate a *SMALL*
> signature into the design- my real name or handle (haven't decided), and
> the year, squeezed as an 8 point font onto single threads of the large
> cog / knot? Most artist's sign thier work- in fact, the image on my
> page has a "signature"; its a grey spot on the treads of the design
> above the tittle bar, totally unobtusive (and illegibal at that
> resolution, hence the title bar).

Put your signature in there by all means. Credit where credit is due and
all that ('sides, I think I'd be a tad miffed if I did something like that
and was told that I couldn't sign the work, so I understand). FWIW, I'd
think that it would only be 'offensive' or 'egotistical' if the signature
were so large or obtrusive that it detracts from the artwork (like, say, it
was in 20-plus point wide latin:)

--
John Pederson otherwise known as Lyle Canthros, shapeshifter-mage
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Message no. 3
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: List t-shirt: Archive link? Non list buyers? artists
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:53:21 -0600
At 10:15 14/06/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I was thinking of putting a link on The Sr Archive to my t-shirt page,
>and adding some info there encourging NON-listmembers to buy a shirt,
>driving sales up and prices down (K, can we get a price break if maybe
>only 1/2 have the "listback"?)
> What do people think? Should this be encouraged, or will it slow up
>the process?

I really would rather see the ShadowRN mailing list t-shirt be available
for only listmembers (And any friends who want to buy them.) Otherwise it's
just a plain ole Shadowrun t-shirt, and we may have problems with licensing
for that..

> Also, is it offensive or overly egotistical if I incorporate a
*SMALL*
>signature into the design- my real name or handle (haven't decided), and
>the year, squeezed as an 8 point font onto single threads of the large
>cog / knot?

Hell no. Sign it all you want, it's your artwork.

Would I release a copy of TSS without my name plastered all over it? :)

-Adam
Speaking of TSS, if I just add those last two articles, I could release it
today..</tease>
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Message no. 4
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: List t-shirt: Archive link? Non list buyers? artists
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:37:02 -0500
On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, wafflemiester wrote:

> I was thinking of putting a link on The Sr Archive to my t-shirt page,
> and adding some info there encourging NON-listmembers to buy a shirt,
> driving sales up and prices down (K, can we get a price break if maybe
> only 1/2 have the "listback"?)

Well i think that opening it up to everyone who saw the add on a web site
is not a good idea. FASA has been nice to us and not said anything about
us making up these shirts in the past (something about us sending the DLOH
a free one each year) but if we open it up to all and sudry it would be to
much like selling our own shadowrun T-shirt (cant remember is the
Shadowrun banner/skull on the shirt this year?) without paying royalties
to FASA. Also i like the idea of this being a listmember only thing,
makes them more special and gives me warm fuzzies:).

> Also, is it offensive or overly egotistical if I incorporate a *SMALL*
> signature into the design- my real name or handle (haven't decided), and
> the year, squeezed as an 8 point font onto single threads of the large
> cog / knot? Most artist's sign thier work- in fact, the image on my
> page has a "signature"; its a grey spot on the treads of the design
> above the tittle bar, totally unobtusive (and illegibal at that
> resolution, hence the title bar).

Go ahead and sign it. You did the work you should get the credit.

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 5
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: List t-shirt: Archive link? Non list buyers? artists
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:02:10 EDT
In a message dated 6/14/98 9:43:19 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
evamarie@**********.net writes:

> I was thinking of putting a link on The Sr Archive to my t-shirt page,
> and adding some info there encourging NON-listmembers to buy a shirt,
> driving sales up and prices down (K, can we get a price break if maybe
> only 1/2 have the "listback"?)

I will look into it.

> What do people think? Should this be encouraged, or will it slow
up
> the process?

Actually, I am talking with some friends here who are interested in the shirts
as well, but do not have computer access that is email functional. That, and
I'm trying to ensure we get that price down. -SO-, I -might- believe it would
be okay for "non-list members" to purchase one, but I won't do it unless I get
at least a few "sure things" from the list at large.

> Also, is it offensive or overly egotistical if I incorporate a *
> SMALL*
> signature into the design- my real name or handle (haven't decided), and
> the year, squeezed as an 8 point font onto single threads of the large
> cog / knot? Most artist's sign thier work- in fact, the image on my
> page has a "signature"; its a grey spot on the treads of the design
> above the tittle bar, totally unobtusive (and illegibal at that
> resolution, hence the title bar).

Guys, quick vote on this? I -personally- have no problem with this, as long
as it doesn't interfere with the shirt cost...

-K
Message no. 6
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: List t-shirt: Archive link? Non list buyers? artists
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:09:56 EDT
In a message dated 6/14/98 1:36:30 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
milko@***.EDU.AU writes:

> > What do people think? Should this be encouraged, or will it slow
> up
> > the process?
>
> Well, it's probably not a bad idea, but if we get the planned 50, then
> there's likely little need for others to be roped into buying them as
> there'll be little actual price drop.
>
Actually, that may not be the case. BUT, I have not had a chance this weekend
to talk to the folks...

-K
Message no. 7
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: List t-shirt: Archive link? Non list buyers? artists
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:47:29 EDT
In a message dated 6/14/98 5:51:52 PM US Eastern Standard Time, fro@***.AB.CA
writes:

> > What do people think? Should this be encouraged, or will it slow
up
> >the process?
>
> I really would rather see the ShadowRN mailing list t-shirt be available
> for only listmembers (And any friends who want to buy them.) Otherwise it's
> just a plain ole Shadowrun t-shirt, and we may have problems with licensing
> for that..
>
Actually, no, as far as I have found, there is no infringement of the license
of any kind for doing such. AND, it gives FASA a bunch of free advertising,
as well as ourselves in a weird sort of way.

-K

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