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Message no. 1
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:09:14 +0100
Mike Broadwater said on 7:33/13 May 96...

> >> (Personally, I'd have to be worried about a group that _usually_ carries
> >> around a Panther Assault Cannon (or an LMG or a sniper rifle...
> So, people shouldn't use the weapons in the book? Do you go up to your
> players and say "You can't use that! It's unbalancing for gods sake!"

There's a big difference between buying a weapon and carrying it around
with you all the time. I have absolutely no problem with players buying
LMGs, sniper rifles, assault cannons, missile launchers, or whatever. If
it's during character generation or after three years of play doesn't
matter to me either.

Just don't expect to take it with you everywhere you go. My usual way of
explaining this is saying something about a few dozen cops, each of
whom has a Firearms skill of 3 or 4, initiative 4+1D6 or so, and an Ares
Predator, and doing a bit of fuzzy maths with damages, successes and Body
ratings.

Because that is what *will* happen to anyone carrying heavy ordnance into
a civilized area. LS will shoot first and question your relatives later.
Doing the same thing in the Barrens (especially at night) will be a lot
safer cop-wise, but gangers may take an interest, which could be just as
unhealthy.

> >> *sigh*
> >> some people are munchkins))
> And some people ((put everything they say in double paranthesis))

I'll agree with Mike here (for once :) It's annoying to read, and not
necessary at all if you quote the original text like almost everybody else
does.

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Message no. 2
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:04:20 -0500
>> >> *sigh*
>> >> some people are munchkins))
>> And some people ((put everything they say in double paranthesis))
>
>I'll agree with Mike here (for once :)
Holy sh*t :)

Oh, and to actually speak about the topic. No, a character shouldn't walk
around with a huge gun all the time. That's just stupid and bad role
playing. A gm should punish the character for it. But they should be able
to have one in their cache of weapons at home for those times when it's
necessary to use it. Like wise, it's good to have a force 10 mana bolt to
throw around when you need to get your ass out of the fire. If you start
casting it at people on the street, you're going to get LS on you, for the
same reasons as for a PAC.


Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"You only need to things in this world. WD40 to make things go, and duct
tape to make them stop."
Message no. 3
From: Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:48:02 +1000 (EST)
On Tue, 14 May 1996, Gurth wrote:


> There's a big difference between buying a weapon and carrying it around
> with you all the time. I have absolutely no problem with players buying
> LMGs, sniper rifles, assault cannons, missile launchers, or whatever. If
> it's during character generation or after three years of play doesn't
> matter to me either.
>
> Just don't expect to take it with you everywhere you go. My usual way of
> explaining this is saying something about a few dozen cops, each of
> whom has a Firearms skill of 3 or 4, initiative 4+1D6 or so, and an Ares
> Predator, and doing a bit of fuzzy maths with damages, successes and Body
> ratings.
>
> Because that is what *will* happen to anyone carrying heavy ordnance into
> a civilized area. LS will shoot first and question your relatives later.
> Doing the same thing in the Barrens (especially at night) will be a lot
> safer cop-wise, but gangers may take an interest, which could be just as
> unhealthy.
>

I thought the standard firearm for cops was now the Ruger Thunderbolt.
It's a lot scarier than a Predator.

Ray.
Message no. 4
From: Tom Pendergrast <pendergr@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:08:08 -0700 (PDT)
> I thought the standard firearm for cops was now the Ruger Thunderbolt.
> It's a lot scarier than a Predator.

((Ruger Thunderbolt? What's that? <stats anyone?>))

---Tom---
Message no. 5
From: Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:20:13 +1000 (EST)
On Tue, 14 May 1996, Tom Pendergrast wrote:

>
>
>
>
> > I thought the standard firearm for cops was now the Ruger Thunderbolt.
> > It's a lot scarier than a Predator.
>
> ((Ruger Thunderbolt? What's that? <stats anyone?>))
>
> ---Tom---
It came in the Lonestar sourcebook. It's a heavy pistol that can only fire
burst fire. A simple action for each shot. 12(c) ammo. 12S damage.(this
includes the burst fire mods). No recoil for the first shot, +4 for the
second burst. This is all from my memory, so I can't remember the cost or
availability or anything. Sorry.

Ray.
Message no. 6
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:46:59 +0200
At 1:48 Uhr 15.05.96, Ray Macey wrote:
> I thought the standard firearm for cops was now the Ruger Thunderbolt.
>It's a lot scarier than a Predator.
In 2054 LS started to hand out the Ruger to its employees, but the LS
Sourcebook states it would take some time to swap all weapons.
And when you see the Thunderbolt in action, you (nearly) instantly notice its
greatest problem: Ammo! With just 12 shots per clip, you have two to four
actions until you run dry... And that's a /stupid/ idea in a firefight,
as "my" cops had to notice (four nearly simultaneous 'clicks' mean trouble,
they learned, too :-)

Sascha

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Message no. 7
From: Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:28:41 +1000 (EST)
On Wed, 15 May 1996, Sascha Pabst wrote:


> In 2054 LS started to hand out the Ruger to its employees, but the LS
> Sourcebook states it would take some time to swap all weapons.
> And when you see the Thunderbolt in action, you (nearly) instantly notice its
> greatest problem: Ammo! With just 12 shots per clip, you have two to four
> actions until you run dry... And that's a /stupid/ idea in a firefight,
> as "my" cops had to notice (four nearly simultaneous 'clicks' mean trouble,
> they learned, too :-)
>
> Sascha

Wouldn't they still have a smaller side-arm as well? They could also use a
few tactics to stop the simultaneous emptying of the clips. Couldn't they
get caseless or an extended clip or something?

Ray.
Message no. 8
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:03:01 +0200
At 0:28 Uhr 16.05.96, Ray Macey wrote:
>On Wed, 15 May 1996, Sascha Pabst wrote:
>>And that's a /stupid/ idea in a firefight,
>> as "my" cops had to notice (four nearly simultaneous 'clicks' mean
trouble,
>> they learned, too :-)

> Wouldn't they still have a smaller side-arm as well? They could also use a
>few tactics to stop the simultaneous emptying of the clips. Couldn't they
>get caseless or an extended clip or something?

NOW they learned to control who shoots when... one waits to cover the others
when they run dry... as I said... NOW :-)

Sascha

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| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de| learn from history |
| \___ __/ | | is bound to live |
|==== \_/ ======| *Wearing hats is just a way of life* | through it again. |
|LOGOUT FASCISM!| - Me | |
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Message no. 9
From: dhinkley@***.org
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:50:38 -0700 (PDT)
On Thu, 16 May 1996, Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>
[SNIP]
> Wouldn't they still have a smaller side-arm as well? They could also use a
>few tactics to stop the simultaneous emptying of the clips. Couldn't they
>get caseless or an extended clip or something?
>
> Ray.
>
Many years ago I used a M-1 Garand rifle in training, the M-1 uses a 8
round en-bloc clip, eight bangs and an extremly distictive ping. We had a trick
to insure that every ones rifle did not go ping at the same time (In Training it
is extremly embarassing, for real it could be fatal), half the squad ejected 4
rounds as we departed, the net result is that half the squad was reloading at a
time.

David Hinkley
dhinkley@***.org
Message no. 10
From: Russ Myrick <rm91612@****.net>
Subject: Re: LMGs, PACs, Sniper Rifles, MMGs, Shotguns, Missile Launchers
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 02:36:24 -0700
dhinkley@***.org wrote:
> Many years ago I used a M-1 Garand rifle in training, the M-1 uses a 8
> round en-bloc clip, eight bangs and an extremly distictive ping. We had
> a trick to insure that every ones rifle did not go ping at the same
> time (In Training it is extremly embarassing, for real it could be
> fatal), half the squad ejected 4 rounds as we departed, the net result
> is that half the squad was reloading at a time.

Smart move. When my old man was in the corp. he would clear his clip on
the 7th rnd to avoid the ping.

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