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Message no. 1
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:13:53 -0500
> > Lofwyr, both on 11.5% (4 votes).
>
> What's the deal with that fragger anyway? Can we pool information here
and
> get a clearer picutre than what I've got at the moment...?

Uh...well, he's a great dragon. He's Alamais' brother. He owns the world's
largest megacorp. What else would you like to know?
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Message no. 2
From: Raije murk@****.org.au
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:23:14 +1100
> Uh...well, he's a great dragon. He's Alamais' brother. He owns the world's
> largest megacorp. What else would you like to know?

I knew that, but I was thinking more along the lines of what is he up
to...you know, evil/worldsaving plans, etc?

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Message no. 3
From: Justin Berman jberman@*****.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:27:11 -0500
>Uh...well, he's a great dragon. He's Alamais' brother. He owns the world's
>largest megacorp. What else would you like to know?

I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it
Message no. 4
From: Martin Steffens (Berlitz) v-marts@*********.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 05:23:23 -0800
From: Justin Berman

> >Uh...well, he's a great dragon. He's Alamais' brother. He owns the
> > world's largest megacorp. What else would you like to know?

> I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
> far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it

Erhm, beg to disagree. In Corp DL it is continuously mentioned that SK /is/
the largest megacorp. I just finished reading it so I'm pretty sure about
this.


Martin Steffens
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Message no. 5
From: Scott W iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:39:48 -0400
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Martin Steffens (Berlitz)."
] > I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
] > far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it
]
] Erhm, beg to disagree. In Corp DL it is continuously mentioned that SK /is/
] the largest megacorp. I just finished reading it so I'm pretty sure about
] this.

Echo that. Check the first paragraph of the Saeder-Krupp section,
and the first paragraph of the Aztechnology section (just to name two).

-Boondocker
Message no. 6
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:21:57 -0500
> >Uh...well, he's a great dragon. He's Alamais' brother. He owns the
world's
> >largest megacorp. What else would you like to know?
>
> I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
> far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it

Some justification for your statement might be in order, as no one seems to
recall the facts you state.

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I told you this morality of mine would kill us all.
Message no. 7
From: Marc Renouf renouf@********.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:34:57 -0500 (EST)
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Scott W wrote:

> ] Erhm, beg to disagree. In Corp DL it is continuously mentioned that SK /is/
> ] the largest megacorp. I just finished reading it so I'm pretty sure about
> ] this.
>
> Echo that. Check the first paragraph of the Saeder-Krupp section,
> and the first paragraph of the Aztechnology section (just to name two).

Not having read Corporate Download I can't say, but the question
becomes "larger in what way?" Do they have the highest value of net
assets? Do they make the largest profit? Do they employ the most people?
Do they own more subsidiaries than any other mega? "Largest" is a pretty
vague term when dealing with corporations.

Marc
Message no. 8
From: Yiannakos yiannako@*******.edu
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:45:17 -0500
| > I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
| > far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it
|
| Erhm, beg to disagree. In Corp DL it is continuously mentioned that SK
/is/
| the largest megacorp. I just finished reading it so I'm pretty sure about
| this.
|

I seem to remember reading that in Corp. Download also.

---Dave ('s not here man)
Message no. 9
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:37:22 +0100
According to Justin Berman, at 7:27 on 11 Nov 99, the word on the street
was...

> I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
> far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it

How do you figure that? In both books, S-K gets the highest total rating
of all the megacorps: 124 in Corporate Shadowfiles, and 91 (using a
revised ratings system) in Corporate Download. Furthermore, just about
every text on S-K mentions somewhere that it's the world's largest
megacorp.

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Message no. 10
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:47:45 -0500
> > ] Erhm, beg to disagree. In Corp DL it is continuously mentioned that SK
/is/
> > ] the largest megacorp. I just finished reading it so I'm pretty sure
about
> > ] this.
> >
> > Echo that. Check the first paragraph of the Saeder-Krupp section,
> > and the first paragraph of the Aztechnology section (just to name two).
>
> Not having read Corporate Download I can't say, but the question
> becomes "larger in what way?" Do they have the highest value of net
> assets? Do they make the largest profit? Do they employ the most people?
> Do they own more subsidiaries than any other mega? "Largest" is a pretty
> vague term when dealing with corporations.

I believe they mean, "most massive," as in the megacorporation that weighs
the most. Saeder-Krupp pretty much has this one nailed down, as the total
weight of its products, facilites, and CEO, in metric tonnes, is greater
than any other megacorporation by several orders of magnitude.
Message no. 11
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:13:15 EST
In a message dated 11/11/1999 7:27:08 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
jberman@*****.com writes:

> >Uh...well, he's a great dragon. He's Alamais' brother. He owns the world's
> >largest megacorp. What else would you like to know?
>
> I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
> far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it

Justin, please go read your books again. Its' pretty obvious you are
misinterpreted/misremembering something.
Message no. 12
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:35:35 EST
In a message dated 11/11/1999 11:51:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
yiannako@*******.edu writes:

> | > I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
> | > far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it
> | Erhm, beg to disagree. In Corp DL it is continuously mentioned that SK
> /is/
> | the largest megacorp. I just finished reading it so I'm pretty sure
about this.
> I seem to remember reading that in Corp. Download also.

It is listed that way in Both Corporate Download and Corporate Shadowfiles.
Message no. 13
From: Bira ubiratan@**.homeshopping.com.br
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:06:54 -0200
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:27:11 -0500
"Justin Berman" <jberman@*****.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> >Uh...well, he's a great dragon. He's Alamais' brother. He owns the world's
> >largest megacorp. What else would you like to know?
>
> I agree with all of that except one thing, S&K is not the larget Mega by
> far in Corp Shadowfiles, and in Corp Dl he still aint got it
>

In the Shadowfiles, it does have the largest "total rating"
(about 124, the others don't get to 120). But financial figures don't
mean that much when you talk about Edge (treat your corps as William
Gibson treats his and the Sixth World becomes that much more enjoyable
:) ). But Lofwyr, being the dragon he is, will have tankfuls of Edge
anyway :) .


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Message no. 14
From: Joseph Kerian jk1@*****.polarcomm.com
Subject: Lofwyr [was: Re: Shadowrun Academy Awards]
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:25:46 -0600
At 08:23 AM 11/11/99 +1100, it was written:
>> Uh...well, he's a great dragon. He's Alamais' brother. He owns the world's
>> largest megacorp. What else would you like to know?
>
>I knew that, but I was thinking more along the lines of what is he up
>to...you know, evil/worldsaving plans, etc?
I have to admit, I'm kinda curious about this myself. From his 'villanous'
activity that is shown in the novels/adventures, he seems to be a
run-of-the-mill Corporate pres. Honestly, does he do that many things
differently than Damien Knight? Before you call that normal... compare
Lofwyr's coverage to the coverage of Dunky. [Yes, I realize Dunky's more
photogenic, but that shouldn't be terribly relevent for game materiel]
Dunkelzahn is also extremely devious, but we get to see glimpses of his
unique (dragon?) brand of schemes. But with Lofwyr, we get tech grabs, new
magic items that need to be grabbed, and shutting down political/corporate
rivals... not exactly the kind of schemes you expect from an ancient dragon.
Perhaps I should clarify. I'M not familiar with Lofwyr's schemes. So if
anyone knows what he's doing in the novels, please iluminate.

Joe Kerian
jk1@*********.com

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