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Message no. 1
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: London's Calling
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:43:06 +0100
Hoi Chummers!!
(New in here so apologies if I booboo occasionally)
Don't seem to have had an answer to my question yet, so I can only
suspect that my mailer ate my question :( Sooo.. here it is again. :)

I'm off to Britain next. Can anyone give me any lowdown on the place
and people?
(Running Imago so no spoilers please.) :)
The "all powerful one" said I could request info.
Looking for personal experience rather than sourcebook details, as I
have access to London Sourcebook.

We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?

Blaze
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Message no. 2
From: Michael Orion Jackson <orion@****.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:39:00 -0500 (CDT)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Michael Orion Jackson~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~TAMS Class of 1996/UT Class of 199?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~2112 Guadalupe, Rm. 502; Austin, Tx 78705 (The Goodall-Wooten)~~~~~~~
"Goddamn creatures of the night, they never learn." ~Gideon, _The Crow_

On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:

> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?

One word: tea. That pretty much sums the buggers up.... ;)
Message no. 3
From: olafurg@******.is (olafur gunnarsson)
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:06:26 GMT
>
>Hoi Chummers!!
>(New in here so apologies if I booboo occasionally)
>Don't seem to have had an answer to my question yet, so I can only
>suspect that my mailer ate my question :( Sooo.. here it is again. :)
>
>I'm off to Britain next. Can anyone give me any lowdown on the place
>and people?
>(Running Imago so no spoilers please.) :)
>The "all powerful one" said I could request info.
>Looking for personal experience rather than sourcebook details, as I
>have access to London Sourcebook.
>
>We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
>


Well it depends on were you are going in england becuse the land is well =
and
truly fragged.In scotland you have the scotsprawl were most of the people=
libe.
The toxic zones were even the land will kill you. And then the wildlands
Full of shamanic Druids Awakened critters and a land filled with magic.
In Wales you have much the same as the wildlands sprinkled with rural
villages and Lordly estates.But in England itself you run up against the
worst toxic zones and the greater london sprawl takes up much of the
southern part of the country. Cupled with a fasist goverment ruled by
Hermetic Druids into a lots of bad mojo and a lot of wery deadly gangs an=
d
mobs London aint safe.
But if you need any help down there try contacting a fixer called Silent =
James
He owns and runs a nightclub in.The east end just mention my name to the
bartender and he´l set up a meet with James. But be ready to pay throug=
h the
nose things cost more over there easily 200% more than in the Ucas. And a=
lso
when dealing with anyone of importance be ready to take your time dealing
with them these people dont rush into anything.well If you want any
specifics i can supplie those.
-Smudge-
Message no. 4
From: GRANITE <granite@**.net>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 02:22:16 -0700
> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
>

Well it was my experiance that the farther away from an American military
base you get the nicer the Brits became..You see [no offense to anyone] Brits
have VERY long memories..If one US military guy 10 years ago busts up a
pub..Well they sort of keep this in mind every time an american comes into
that pub..Oh yea you can spot an American overseas 10 miles away no matter
how high his stealth ability..I met some brits that are still p!$$ed about
the revolution..It is interesting to hear it recollected from the other sides
point of view though..
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The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
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Message no. 5
From: "Andre' Selmer" <031ANDRE@******.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:22:39 GMT + 2:00
@ On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:
@
@ > We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
@
@ One word: tea. That pretty much sums the buggers up.... ;)

Oiy! Whats wrong with tea (save Earl Grey). The fact that we are
totally innane and incomprehensible, have funny accents and have a
different translation of english has nothing to do with it. We're
unique. (at least we can laugh at ourselves).





Odd

-- We exist because you want us to, because you are
|__|__ afraid to face the facts. We are what you fear
/\ /\ \ in the deep recesses of your soul, yourselves.
|\ /\ /| | It is there in the shadows of your soul and those
|/ \/ \| | of the street that we exist. Through the use of
\/__\/ might, magic, cunning, blood, sweat and tears we
protect you from your fears, from youselves, from
others and keep your utopia, not ours, intact.
Message no. 6
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:37:50 +0100 (BST)
|We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?

What are we like....?
Hmmmm. Some of us are Nice. Some are complete arse-holes. The usual mix.
(Although the arse-holes do seem to be more in the south and the nice people
up north.)

>* He said, donning his flame proof underwear. *<

What more do you want to know about us? You are being very vague.
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Message no. 7
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:44:46 +0100 (BST)
|
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Michael Orion Jackson~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~TAMS Class of 1996/UT Class of 199?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|~~~~~~2112 Guadalupe, Rm. 502; Austin, Tx 78705 (The Goodall-Wooten)~~~~~~~
| "Goddamn creatures of the night, they never learn." ~Gideon, _The Crow_
|
|On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:
|
|> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
|
|One word: tea. That pretty much sums the buggers up.... ;)

Oi! Not so much of the "Hello old boy, what what.", bowler hat, John Steed
and Tea stereotypes, MATE!!
I admit I drink tea, but only when I run out of coffee.

(I met a Japanese student last year who thought all english people looked
like John Steed (from the Avengers). I was a bit of a shock to him, I can
tell you.....)
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|Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
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Message no. 8
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:43:09 GMT
A Halliwell writes

> |On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:
> |
> |> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
> |
> |One word: tea. That pretty much sums the buggers up.... ;)
>
> Oi! Not so much of the "Hello old boy, what what.", bowler hat, John Steed
> and Tea stereotypes, MATE!!
i agree. someones asking form that mighty nice flamethrower Granite's
got :)

> I admit I drink tea, but only when I run out of coffee.
And the guy summed up by TEA is supposed to be French :), although
the actors British.

Looks at empty coffee mug.
>
> (I met a Japanese student last year who thought all english people looked
> like John Steed (from the Avengers). I was a bit of a shock to him, I can
> tell you.....)
Ah yes the most noticeable thing Japanese tourists, Americans here
tend to be fairly noticable, the by the bus load, all cameras at the
ready crowd well, i suppose those that don't come by standard package
tour are less seen as they stick out a lot less.

Oh and having seen how spread out things can get in the USA, England
at least is very croweded relavitvely speaking, and i at least don't
think much of 30 second bites TV, nothing like as common here.

all IHMO, opinions will vary, and informed comment could take far more
time than i have. Also use of sterotypes not meant to mean everyone,
its saves 100's of lines of typing :)

Mark
Message no. 9
From: Edward Paul <doyle@******.edu>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 06:08:23 -1000
On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, GRANITE wrote:

> > We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
> >
>
> Well it was my experiance that the farther away from an American military
> base you get the nicer the Brits became..You see [no offense to anyone] Brits
> have VERY long memories..

No joke. I used to go to a boarding school in a USAF/RAF base in
High Wycombe, England. So, I've seen this.

> Oh yea you can spot an American overseas 10 miles away no matter
> how high his stealth ability..

Actually, it isn't that hard, as long as you don't have to have a
military haircut. It's amazing how well you can fit in if you let your
hair go in any way, like having monster sideburns or dying your hair
green. Speaking with a "proper" English dialect isn't that hard either,
just talk without moving your jaw and maybe emphasize the vowels a little.

> I met some brits that are still p!$$ed about
> the revolution..It is interesting to hear it recollected from the other sides
> point of view though..

I remember once hearing an irate waiter say to my friends, "We
_gave_ you america."

Here's another tip, if you don't want to look like a real
american, overemphasize you're an american. Go to the shops and buy red,
white, and blue caps, stars and stripes jackets, etc. Go really gung-ho
on it. Once you do that, it'll look like you are _trying_ to be american,
like so many young Brits do. So, keep your mouth closed and act like the
dopes on MTV and you should be set.

Scotland (my old home) is far different than England, but maybe
I'll go into that later...

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E-Mail: doyle@******.edu
World Wide Web: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~doyle
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Message no. 10
From: Dvixen Vidi Vici <dvixen@****.spydernet.com>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, A Halliwell wrote:

> |On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:
> |
> |> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
>
> Oi! Not so much of the "Hello old boy, what what.", bowler hat, John Steed
> and Tea stereotypes, MATE!!
> I admit I drink tea, but only when I run out of coffee.

All the Brits that I know are certifiable. Eccentric doesn't even cover
it... I still get yelled at by all of them for forgeting to use boiling
water over the tea bag. Why should I care if the water has been sitting
for ten seconds, and the tea bag I am just getting out of the cupboard?

The one family I know, are all super intellegent. Not geeky intellegent,
but the kind that you take to pubs for entertainment. They always have
anecdotes for every situation. And their humor... It's real odd. Watch
Young Ones and Bottom sometime. They make Red Dwarf and Black Adder look
very tame at times...

And why must the Welsh call everyone 'luv'?


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AJ Schaafsma Dvixen@****.spydernet.com
This post in no way reflect the opinions of the myriad voices in my head.

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Message no. 11
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 22:04:59 +0100 (BST)
On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:

> I'm off to Britain next. Can anyone give me any lowdown on the place
> and people?
> (Running Imago so no spoilers please.) :)
> The "all powerful one" said I could request info.
> Looking for personal experience rather than sourcebook details, as I
> have access to London Sourcebook.
>
> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?

Well we are a little more reserved I guess (not me personally, but thats
another story :) and less openly patriotic than the Americans. Firearms at
present are much less common place than the US, and despite FASA having
said teh police are armed in teh future it would still be teh case -due to
attitudes that firearms are still teh exception rather than the rule -i.e.
no storekeepers with pump action shotguns.

To be honest, and this is a gross generalisation, we do look upon the
Americans with a little air of superiority. The phrase 'only in America'
is heard quite frequently. This prejudice will often fade when us Brits
take the time to get to know a "sep" :) Unless they do something to just
prove our pompous ideas correct :)

Oh and by the way if you want to compliment a guy on the way he looks -do
NOT call him 'cute'. To us 'cute' is for fluffy bunnies and babies. When
used to describe a bloke, he may (and I fall into this category :) take it
as a slight insult.

Oh and just to annoy your group throw in lots of 'slang' and words which
Americans are often unfamiliar with e.g. :
Bin/Dust bin = Trash can
Loo = Toilet
and remember the swearing as well (please do not read if easily offended
:)

Wanker = A derogatory term refer to the act of masturbation (remembers the
episode of Mork and Mindy where there was a gut called Mr Wanker :)
Taking the Piss = Sarcastically teasing someone

Hope that helps a little.
PS I hope I don't have to point out that these are generalisations and
stereotypes and I am in no way prejudiced towards Americans....well not
much anyway :) :) :) :)

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 12
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:15:23 -0500 (EST)
>Watch Young Ones and Bottom sometime. They make Red Dwarf and >Black Adder
look very tame at times...
>
Hmmmm, Young Ones,I've seen that show a few times. Bizarre only begins to
describe it...:)

For those of you who watch the show, we ran into Neil and a couple of the
others in our game a few times. They ran a meat wagon, collecting body
parts in Chicago (before the Bugs hit). All I know is Neil was absolutely
inpossible to kill...:)



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-Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich
chaos@*****.com
Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?
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"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 13
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 22:11:12 +0100 (BST)
On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, GRANITE wrote:

> I met some brits that are still p!$$ed about
> the revolution..It is interesting to hear it recollected from the other sides
> point of view though..
This isn't common us Brits hardly remember it in fact. But then again if
it wasn't for us British you Americans wouldn't have anything to celebrate
on 4th July :)

Oh and by the way here's a run down on the various names used to describe
the lands.

Great Britain = England + Scotland + Wales
United Kingdon = Great Britain + Northern Island + Isle of Wight etc
British Isles = UK + Rest of Ireland + Channel Islands

These terms are NOT synonymous despite it often being thought. Oh and by
the way the best way to piss of a Scot (or the Welsh) is to call Great
Britain, England.

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 14
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 22:15:10 +0100 (BST)
On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, A Halliwell wrote:

> Hmmmm. Some of us are Nice. Some are complete arse-holes. The usual mix.
> (Although the arse-holes do seem to be more in the south and the nice people
> up north.)

Ooh the North/South divide -that definitely deserves a mention. the
phrases 'Southern bastard' and 'Nothern Git' are quite common. The usual
stereotype is of the Northerners being the working class, while
Southerners are teh higher brow (especially in London); the latter are
otherwsie known as 'slimey gits' :)

By the way I'm from the South if anyone is keeping track.

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 15
From: mike.paff@*****.com
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:19:45 -0700
On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:

> I'm off to Britain next. Can anyone give me any lowdown on the place
> and people?
> (Running Imago so no spoilers please.) :)

Talk about small worlds. I plan on offerring my group the opportunity
to travel to the UK starting tomorrow night (running Imago as well).

Once we both finish, maybe we can get together and compare notes,
GM's impression vs. players impression.

Mike Paff
Message no. 16
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 22:21:28 +0100 (BST)
On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Edward Paul wrote:

> green. Speaking with a "proper" English dialect isn't that hard either,
> just talk without moving your jaw and maybe emphasize the vowels a little.
I'm not sure everyone could do a convincing English accent, at least not
when they're trying to fool someone from England :)
Oh and don't look to films for English accents (remembers Kevin Costner's
accent in Robin Hood, and the terible Cockney accent of Dick Van Dyke in
Mary Poppins :)

> I remember once hearing an irate waiter say to my friends, "We
> _gave_ you america."
Whats teh betting that was in response to an American boasting about how
they 'trounced us' in the war for independence. Brits I find aren't that
bothered about losing America, it only becomes a touchy subject when
Americans start boasting :) :) :)

> Here's another tip, if you don't want to look like a real
> american, overemphasize you're an american. Go to the shops and buy red,
> white, and blue caps, stars and stripes jackets, etc. Go really gung-ho
> on it. Once you do that, it'll look like you are _trying_ to be american,
> like so many young Brits do.
Yes, its sad but true, some Brits do want to be like Americans :(


The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 17
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:09:26 +0100
Edward Paul said on 6:08/ 4 Oct 96...

> Actually, it isn't that hard, as long as you don't have to have a
> military haircut. It's amazing how well you can fit in if you let your
> hair go in any way, like having monster sideburns or dying your hair
> green.

That is what a military haircut in this country looks like :) (Well,
almost, and they're trying to get back to the old (pre-1970s) situation
where soldiers have to cut their hair.)

> Here's another tip, if you don't want to look like a real
> american, overemphasize you're an american. Go to the shops and buy red,
> white, and blue caps, stars and stripes jackets, etc. Go really gung-ho
> on it. Once you do that, it'll look like you are _trying_ to be american,
> like so many young Brits do. So, keep your mouth closed and act like the
> dopes on MTV and you should be set.

It looks like half of Europe wants to be American... To bring this back to
SR, what I'm now wondering about is if this will still be the case in the
2050s. I mean, now "everybody" here has this (possibly subconscious) idea
that whatever comes from the US is good and has to be imitated -- but how
about UCAS culture? Since the country as a whole is in pretty bad shape,
would foreigners still want to copy its habits, likes, and dislikes? Or
have they gone for another role-model, like, say, Japan?

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Message no. 18
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:09:26 +0100
The Digital Mage said on 22:04/ 4 Oct 96...

> Wanker = A derogatory term refer to the act of masturbation (remembers the
> episode of Mork and Mindy where there was a gut called Mr Wanker :)

In Married... With Children, Peg's last name is Wanker, and I have this
feeling it's because of the above meaning of the word :)

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Message no. 19
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:41:26 +0100 (BST)
|All the Brits that I know are certifiable.

I don't stand around with pencils up my nose shouting "Wibble!".....

|Eccentric doesn't even cover it...

Hmmmmmm. I'd like to meat these.... Loonies.
(I've never met 'em)

|I still get yelled at by all of them for forgeting to use boiling
|water over the tea bag.

I don't know any teabag purists either....

|Why should I care if the water has been sitting
|for ten seconds, and the tea bag I am just getting out of the cupboard?
|
|The one family I know, are all super intellegent. Not geeky intellegent,
|but the kind that you take to pubs for entertainment. They always have
|anecdotes for every situation. And their humor... It's real odd. Watch
|Young Ones and Bottom sometime. They make Red Dwarf and Black Adder look
|very tame at times...

Well, all that proves is that we make the best comedy shows in the World.
(Have you seen "Men Behaving Badly" yet? It'd give all the Pollitically
Correct Americans a kick up the arse I can tell you.

|And why must the Welsh call everyone 'luv'?

Why must all the people from the Potteries call everyone "Duck"? It's a
regional thing. You have regional "oddities" too y'know.

(The potteries being north Staffordshire/Stoke-on-Trent area.)
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|Andrew Halliwell | "ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!!" |
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|Comp Sci & Electronics | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"
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Message no. 20
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 13:58:25 -0600 (MDT)
Gurth wrote:
|
|It looks like half of Europe wants to be American... To bring this back to
|SR, what I'm now wondering about is if this will still be the case in the
|2050s. I mean, now "everybody" here has this (possibly subconscious) idea
|that whatever comes from the US is good and has to be imitated -- but how
|about UCAS culture? Since the country as a whole is in pretty bad shape,
|would foreigners still want to copy its habits, likes, and dislikes? Or
|have they gone for another role-model, like, say, Japan?

I think that the reason the US is a "role-model" is because
of its media presence (MTV, Dallas, etc). In the 2050s of
SRII the real media presence would be the megacorps. Those
would be the role-models, IMHO.

-David

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Message no. 21
From: "Sedah Drol" <sedahdro@****.holli.com>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 15:14:46 +500
> It looks like half of Europe wants to be American... To bring this back to
> SR, what I'm now wondering about is if this will still be the case in the
> 2050s. I mean, now "everybody" here has this (possibly subconscious) idea
> that whatever comes from the US is good and has to be imitated -- but how
> about UCAS culture? Since the country as a whole is in pretty bad shape,
> would foreigners still want to copy its habits, likes, and dislikes? Or
> have they gone for another role-model, like, say, Japan?

Acutally I would say that they more people would more than likely
copy different Archetypes and races. Like a Street Sam wannabee or
an Elf wanabee. People will usually copy what the trend is at the
time. Wealth would also be a factor, for example, the corporate
higher ups would have probably adopted Japanese Corporate manners
while the poor nobodys would probably copy various Policlubs or
ganger type of customs. Remember in 2050 the corporations rule the
world not the governments.

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Message no. 22
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:47:35 +0100
In article <24309.199610051241@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|All the Brits that I know are certifiable.
>
>I don't stand around with pencils up my nose shouting "Wibble!".....
>
>|Eccentric doesn't even cover it...
>
>Hmmmmmm. I'd like to meat these.... Loonies.
>(I've never met 'em)
Ahh, never been to the Isle of Wight then??? They're all eccentric down
here, probably got something to do with inbreeding, or cross culture
confusion or something. Possibly the most interesting thing I found out
was why most sheep farmers keep their stock in hilly regions with lots
of little cliffs in them.

[snip teab and water thing]
>Well, all that proves is that we make the best comedy shows in the World.
>(Have you seen "Men Behaving Badly" yet? It'd give all the Pollitically
>Correct Americans a kick up the arse I can tell you.
>
But they wouldn't understand it, the Yanks still think Benny Hill is the
best thing since sliced bread. :) (ducks into bomb shelter)

>|And why must the Welsh call everyone 'luv'?
>
>Why must all the people from the Potteries call everyone "Duck"? It's a
>regional thing. You have regional "oddities" too y'know.

Regional thing, that might explain all the ooo arr ooo arr that goes on
down here, especially when one is "daine caiyze". God I love the Isle
of Wight language, it makes as much sense as a babboon with a rock up
his ass. :)

>
>(The potteries being north Staffordshire/Stoke-on-Trent area.)
Isn't that where all the prize Bulls come from? Staffordshire that is.
Or have I got me goolies crossed again. :)

It seems a shame when you consider the diversity of cultures and
lifestyles in the UK, that FASA dealt with subject so brutally in the
London Sourcebook. Although some research was obviously done, (re: the
ley lines) there are many things I would disagree with. After all, at
the moment we are the market leaders (allegedly in VR research - if you
believe the Sizewell B adverts anyway). So many cultures, so many magic
points, and such a boring sourcebook. Shame. :(

Pete
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Message no. 23
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:00:47 +0100
In article <199610051111.NAA07006@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.nl> writes

[snip haircut and stuff]
>It looks like half of Europe wants to be American... To bring this back to
>SR, what I'm now wondering about is if this will still be the case in the
>2050s. I mean, now "everybody" here has this (possibly subconscious) idea
>that whatever comes from the US is good and has to be imitated -- but how
>about UCAS culture? Since the country as a whole is in pretty bad shape,
>would foreigners still want to copy its habits, likes, and dislikes? Or
>have they gone for another role-model, like, say, Japan?

Allowing for the passionate dislike between France and Britain, the
problems being currently experienced by German with immigrants and the
economic repurcussions of the removal of the Berlin wall, the small wars
being fought in Southern Europe. The Italian penchant for suicidal
behaviour in vehicles of all types. It's kind of difficult to speculate
on Europe of 205*. Though I would suggest that rather than finding a
new role model in Japan, allowing for the obvious influence provided by
the megacorps, I suspect there is a distinct possibility that Europe may
strive for individualism, rather than being recognised as a large group
of constantly arguing countries, they would possibly go out of their way
to be seen as individual countries with their own cultures and styles.
At least this is how I portrayed Europe when my players went there
recently. Southern Germany, with all of it's high tech had gone back to
the more classical traditions, centering around the popular culture of
Bavaria, while northern Germany has gone totally industrial, very much
along the lines of the Mega Tokyo portrayed so enthusiastically in Anime
movies. France has very much locked itself into it's own borders
screaming conspiracy at the rest of Europe, and has the tightest border
controls of Western civilisation, hiding a hotbed of corruption,
conspiracy and intrigue. The lowlands, (although flooded by FASA) are
still very much the Gateway to Europe, perhaps more so becuase of the
flooding, and massive international docks and airports have been built
in the Netherlands to feed the ever hungry German industrial machine and
all points out. Poland has been absorbed by Germany, in its quest for
raw materials and land to develop, and much of the land east, into
Russia has been reclaimed by the Germans, although this is in
collaboration with the Russian Federation (who are desperately seeking
support and financial gain from a friendly Europe in their constant
border skirmishes with China - which is severely overpopulated and
looking to expand.

Good grief, don't I go on. :)

Anyway, that's how *I* see Europe - I've deliberately avoided my take on
the UK, because my players are about to arrive there, in fact I think
one of them started this thread :) while asking for information on
Britain from a PC view.

Obviously the above waffle goes on at some length, but I don't think too
many people here would appreciate me waffling on for pages and pages
about what *I* think Europe looks like.


Oh well, just my thoughts.

Pete

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Message no. 24
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 18:21:43 -0500 (EST)
>>(The potteries being north Staffordshire/Stoke-on-Trent area.)
>Isn't that where all the prize Bulls come from? Staffordshire that is.
>Or have I got me goolies crossed again. :)
>

<Bull looks at that last post in confusion...>

Sorry... Never been to England. I was born in Chicao....:)

<grin>




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Message no. 25
From: "John F. Lee" <jfl666@*.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 15:45:25 -0700 (PDT)
On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, The Digital Mage wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Edward Paul wrote:
>
> > Here's another tip, if you don't want to look like a real
> > american, overemphasize you're an american. Go to the shops and buy red,
> > white, and blue caps, stars and stripes jackets, etc. Go really gung-ho
> > on it. Once you do that, it'll look like you are _trying_ to be american,
> > like so many young Brits do.
> Yes, its sad but true, some Brits do want to be like Americans :(

It's not that tough. Here's what you have to do:

1. Buy a gun.

2. Stop going to school when you're 10. (Of course, the equivalent of
that here in the USA is a HS diploma.)

3. Take no offense whatsoever when somebody calls you a "Yank". Trust me.
No American knows what it means.

4. Assume complete manifest destiny. (An old school of thought which
involves the US taking over the entire continent.) When someone asks you
where Canada is, say, "Somewhere in Ohio, right? Near Cleveland?" Or
vice versa, whihever is appropriate.

And you're well on your way...

John F. Lee / jfl666@*.washington.edu
No herky-jerky starts or stops!
Message no. 26
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:25:48 +0100 (BST)
|It seems a shame when you consider the diversity of cultures and
|lifestyles in the UK, that FASA dealt with subject so brutally in the
|London Sourcebook. Although some research was obviously done, (re: the
|ley lines) there are many things I would disagree with. After all, at
|the moment we are the market leaders (allegedly in VR research - if you
|believe the Sizewell B adverts anyway). So many cultures, so many magic
|points, and such a boring sourcebook. Shame. :(

Sizewell 'B' adverts?
Hmmm. Up here, we're getting adverts about the Windscale (oops, sorry)
Sellafield....

(About how they can get robots to turn and swivel in many ways at once/ they
can build machines that can operate at depths far below any deep sea
diver/etc/etc/etc.... It's probably the same advert with a different voice
over.....)

(As if any of that stuff was meant to be impressive....)
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Message no. 27
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:41:55 +0100
Pete Sims said on 21:00/ 5 Oct 96...

> France has very much locked itself into it's own borders screaming
> conspiracy at the rest of Europe, and has the tightest border controls
> of Western civilisation, hiding a hotbed of corruption, conspiracy and
> intrigue.

Sounds good.

> The lowlands, (although flooded by FASA) are still very much the Gateway
> to Europe, perhaps more so becuase of the flooding, and massive
> international docks and airports have been built in the Netherlands to
> feed the ever hungry German industrial machine and all points out.

Fuck that flood. I don't believe for a second that most of this country
would be flooded by one storm, no matter if it's wind force 13. Not after
the extensive strengthening of dikes after the 1953 disaster (yes, I know
they're now talking about dike being weak just because two concrete tiles
are loose). Suffice to say, in my NERPS write-up the efects of the storm
will be a lot worse than they appear to be in the Germany sourcebook...

> Obviously the above waffle goes on at some length, but I don't think too
> many people here would appreciate me waffling on for pages and pages
> about what *I* think Europe looks like.

Well... All this seems like a good starting point for the Neo-A Guide to
the World we're starting up over on NERPS. I'll be saving this post :)

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Message no. 28
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:18:15 +0100
In article <2345.199610061025@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|It seems a shame when you consider the diversity of cultures and
>|lifestyles in the UK, that FASA dealt with subject so brutally in the
>|London Sourcebook. Although some research was obviously done, (re: the
>|ley lines) there are many things I would disagree with. After all, at
>|the moment we are the market leaders (allegedly in VR research - if you
>|believe the Sizewell B adverts anyway). So many cultures, so many magic
>|points, and such a boring sourcebook. Shame. :(
>
>Sizewell 'B' adverts?
>Hmmm. Up here, we're getting adverts about the Windscale (oops, sorry)
>Sellafield....
>
>(About how they can get robots to turn and swivel in many ways at once/ they
>can build machines that can operate at depths far below any deep sea
>diver/etc/etc/etc.... It's probably the same advert with a different voice
>over.....)
Yep, that's the one, with the friendly looking shepherd and the VR
helmet "We're the world leaders in VR research, with a system so
advanced you can't tell the difference, specially designed for trainng
people blah blah, I can see the uses for what they're offering, after
all there's nothing more embarrassing than having glow in the dark sheep
running around on camera :)
>
>(As if any of that stuff was meant to be impressive....)

But the advert *is* quite impressive :) There isn't one luminescent
animal anywhere, and the countryside is *so* clean and green, and
there's no sign of the nuclear reactor facitlity, which just goes to
show how well they've melded it with the countryside :) :) :)

And can't you just see so many uses for that robotic arm ??? :) stick
that on a troll shadowrunner, and he's more ambidextrous than a sloth :)

I don't know what the ad looks like up your end, but down here it's dead
cute. :)

Pete

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being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 29
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:22:41 +0100
In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.961005153216.6875A-100000@*****.u.washington.e
du>, "John F. Lee" <jfl666@*.washington.edu> writes
[snip instructions on being an American]
>
>It's not that tough. Here's what you have to do:
>
>1. Buy a gun.
>
Done that :) - several times :) :)

>2. Stop going to school when you're 10. (Of course, the equivalent of
>that here in the USA is a HS diploma.)
Ah, failed here, still going (adult catch up time) :)

>
>3. Take no offense whatsoever when somebody calls you a "Yank". Trust me.
>No American knows what it means.
OK, so what *does* it mean <vbg>

>
>4. Assume complete manifest destiny. (An old school of thought which
>involves the US taking over the entire continent.) When someone asks you
>where Canada is, say, "Somewhere in Ohio, right? Near Cleveland?" Or
>vice versa, whihever is appropriate.
But they have, and Europe, and some of the UK, and most of the middle
east, and parts of Africa, and of course there's all those questionable
military "research" stations at the poles. :)

>
>And you're well on your way...

Right, so I'm almost an American. Hmmm I wonder if this is a good
thing :-?

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Message no. 30
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:36:04 +0100 (BST)
|I don't know what the ad looks like up your end, but down here it's dead
|cute. :)

Oh, I admit the advert's cute.
The point is, that half the tech they're showing off dowsn't work, and the
other half is old hat anyway.....

(The VR is still to slow and crappy to be of much use....)

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Message no. 31
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:56:26 +0100
In article <199610061043.MAA20473@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.nl> writes
[snipped]
>Pete Sims said on 21:00/ 5 Oct 96...
>> The lowlands, (although flooded by FASA) are still very much the Gateway
>> to Europe, perhaps more so becuase of the flooding, and massive
>> international docks and airports have been built in the Netherlands to
>> feed the ever hungry German industrial machine and all points out.
>
>Fuck that flood. I don't believe for a second that most of this country
>would be flooded by one storm, no matter if it's wind force 13. Not after
>the extensive strengthening of dikes after the 1953 disaster (yes, I know
>they're now talking about dike being weak just because two concrete tiles
>are loose). Suffice to say, in my NERPS write-up the efects of the storm
>will be a lot worse than they appear to be in the Germany sourcebook...
Dykes aren't necessarily the wonderful thing they're made out to be. I
think FASA may have been influenced by the massive failure of the Bayou
along the Mississippi (yes I know they're not the same, but similar
enough for comparison). I can understand a small amount of flooding of
the Netherlands, after all, this is a constant everyday threat and
problem for the NL. Allowing for this, one must also take into account
the massive advances in ocean defences that have been made by the NL,
and then add a few years to it, this, to me anyway, indicates that the
NL wouldn't go out without a huge battle against the oceans, and that
they would have had a far more effective barrier in place at the time of
the alleged flood. (I believe that the Netherlands are constantly
upgrading and researching their system of barriers ?)

>
>> Obviously the above waffle goes on at some length, but I don't think too
>> many people here would appreciate me waffling on for pages and pages
>> about what *I* think Europe looks like.
>
>Well... All this seems like a good starting point for the Neo-A Guide to
>the World we're starting up over on NERPS. I'll be saving this post :)
Save it, burn it, whatever you want to do. I did make this and another
suggestion in NERPS, but got ignored, so I left and came back here. :(

Pete
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being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
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Message no. 32
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:38:48 +0100
In article <9610051958.AA29121@******>, David Buehrer
<dbuehrer@****.org> writes
>Gurth wrote:
>|
>|It looks like half of Europe wants to be American... To bring this back to
>|SR, what I'm now wondering about is if this will still be the case in the
>|2050s. I mean, now "everybody" here has this (possibly subconscious) idea
>|that whatever comes from the US is good and has to be imitated -- but how
>|about UCAS culture? Since the country as a whole is in pretty bad shape,
>|would foreigners still want to copy its habits, likes, and dislikes? Or
>|have they gone for another role-model, like, say, Japan?
>
>I think that the reason the US is a "role-model" is because
>of its media presence (MTV, Dallas, etc). In the 2050s of
>SRII the real media presence would be the megacorps. Those
>would be the role-models, IMHO.
>
Megacorp media as role models? The proliferation of advertising
provided by the megacorps would certainly be influential in the extreme.
But I'm more inclined to think that the reason the US is a role model
for today is the influence of Holywood in as much as the massive influx
of movies that have served to shut down the majority of European film
production companies. Also allowing for the diversity of mother nations
for the Megacorps, this would emply that there would be a massive
diversity of "role" cultures clashing on the streets.

If FASA is to be believed about the quantity of "trid" units on the
streets and massive "Bladerunner" style advertising campaigns/billboards
etc. This makes the streets of the future, not only a confused and
cultureless place, but also massively confused as to an effective role
model, and possibly as a result extremely individual, with everyone
trying to make a singular statement. Except for the executives of the
corporations, who would most certainly be influenced or controlled in
their dress style by the corporation they work for, the possibility of
heavy Japanese influence being reflected in the boardrooms of the
megacorps, is quite high, however, there is also a distinct possibility
that the corporation in question would have it's own uniform, and it's
own "requests" for executive attire, possibly using in house designers
for the clothing, offering a corporate "unity" and individuality that
would be instantly recognisable.

This would enable people to "follow" their favourite corporation by
mimmicking their attire. (which unfortunately some people would want to
do). Street fashion is probably going to be the most difficult to pin
down, and would probably be influenced by media in quite a strong way,
but there would also be a considerable outcry from the populace for
individualism, something to allow them to make a statement for
themselves, remember the hippies of the 60's, the punk movement, and a
couple of other "strong" influences in personal/political and fashion
statement. I'm really curious to know what the major influences would
be in the 205*'s, and can't accept that there would be as much
conformity as implied in some literature. People, especially the youth,
have a powerful voice in individualism, and seem to universally dislike
conformity. Would the streets of the future be even louder and more
brash than they are now, or would the strength of corporate influence
*really* have a strong influence on the youth of the future?

Ideas, comments, theories, fashion ideas?????

Pete
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Message no. 33
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:45:09 +0100
In article <199610052321.SAA27110@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.com> writes
>>>(The potteries being north Staffordshire/Stoke-on-Trent area.)
>>Isn't that where all the prize Bulls come from? Staffordshire that is.
>>Or have I got me goolies crossed again. :)
>>
>
><Bull looks at that last post in confusion...>
>
>Sorry... Never been to England. I was born in Chicao....:)
>
><grin>

No nitwit :) Staffordshire Bulls, huge prize winning four legged mean
tempered cow stuffers. Not oversized two legged Troll types. :) I
wouldn't boast too much about being born in Chicago, don't forget that's
where *THEY* come from. Have you been experiencing any strange
physiological or neurological symptons lately - I think probably - Yes.
This would confirm that the recent events in Chicago have had a major
influence on all life originating from there in recent times. It may be
worth your while visiting our facilities in Aztechnology for a full
medical investigation. There is a possibility that you are carrying the
genes, or possibly some other form of biological construct that will
release the chicago plague in other areas, also possibly affect your own
physical and mental well being.

Don't delay, come and visit the best medical facilities this side of
Beta Reticulus before you manifest into something you may regret. :)

Dr. Jose Hernando (Aztechnology).

Pete :)
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the face of heaven so fine, that all the world will be in love with night, and
pay no worship to the garish sun.
Message no. 34
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 02:17:09 +0100
In article <199610042215.RAA00155@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.com> writes
>>Watch Young Ones and Bottom sometime. They make Red Dwarf and >Black Adder
>look very tame at times...
>>
>Hmmmm, Young Ones,I've seen that show a few times. Bizarre only begins to
>describe it...:)
>
>For those of you who watch the show, we ran into Neil and a couple of the
>others in our game a few times. They ran a meat wagon, collecting body
>parts in Chicago (before the Bugs hit). All I know is Neil was absolutely
>inpossible to kill...:)

No he's not, he's very easy to kill, just hit him over the head with
something *very* heavy, but for god sake don't bury him in any compost,
manure or other fertiliser, the bugger comes back cloned - many times
over. *Then* he's hard to kill.

Pete
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Message no. 35
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 09:23:17 -0500 (EST)
>><Bull looks at that last post in confusion...>
>>
>>Sorry... Never been to England. I was born in Chicao....:)
>>
>><grin>
>
>No nitwit :) Staffordshire Bulls, huge prize winning four legged mean
>tempered cow stuffers. Not oversized two legged Troll types. :)
>
<grin>

> I
>wouldn't boast too much about being born in Chicago, don't forget that's
>where *THEY* come from. Have you been experiencing any strange
>physiological or neurological symptons lately - I think probably - Yes.
>This would confirm that the recent events in Chicago have had a major
>influence on all life originating from there in recent times. It may be
>worth your while visiting our facilities in Aztechnology for a full
>medical investigation. There is a possibility that you are carrying the
>genes, or possibly some other form of biological construct that will
>release the chicago plague in other areas, also possibly affect your own
>physical and mental well being.
>
ROTFL...:)

Nahh, I'm not too worried about being a bug... Too much metal in me, ya
see. And hey, just cause my kids' godmother's a mantis...

And when it comes right down to it, I'm not so sure I'd trust Aztech any
further than I'd trust the Bugs... At least the bugs are fairly honest...
They come right out and say they want to kill you and steal your bodies...:)

>Don't delay, come and visit the best medical facilities this side of
>Beta Reticulus before you manifest into something you may regret. :)
>

Me? Manifest? Why, I've never manifested in my life! I think you want to
talk to Johnny... Oh, he's busy right now...

Maybe Codis... Hey Codis? You there? I think you could tell them about
manifesting...:)

>Dr. Jose Hernando (Aztechnology).
>

Isn't he a baseball player?

>Pete :)
>
-Bull-the-wondering-what-these-green-spots-are-decker-turned-GM



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chaos@*****.com
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Message no. 36
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:45:16 +0100
In article <25359.199610041037@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
>
>What are we like....?
>Hmmmm. Some of us are Nice. Some are complete arse-holes. The usual mix.
>(Although the arse-holes do seem to be more in the south and the nice people
>up north.)
(interrupt caused by owner of computer and GM of current game - "waddya
mean a-holes in the south, I'm a southie, and as far as I know the
miserable sods are all up north. :-) You're just jealous coz we've got
the better countryside and shops, and pubs and beer, and cheap travel
away from this sodding place. :-) - have you never wondered why the
highest concentration of airports and harbours is in the south? :) end
GM interrupt)

>
>>* He said, donning his flame proof underwear. *<
>
>What more do you want to know about us? You are being very vague.
[he's always doing that :(]

Well, it's like this, we're due over there on a run, some Johnson has
offered a substantial sum for our services, we should be touching down
in Edinburgh, and then out to unknown points. What I was looking for
(seeing as team leader is a useless dork - and this wouldn't even occur
to him), is some information on the state of Britain/England/Island,
whatever you guys call that overgrown hill you live on. We're flying in
from Seattle, and know nothing about the place bar what little we can
get from the tourist brochures, and we *all* know what a load of drek
they are.

Anything that you know, places to avoid, people to watch for, things not
to do, unfriendly organisations, laws, in fact - *anything* chummer.

I hate running on no inf., "Illustrious Leader" didn't bother to check
out what was happening over there, so I kinda figured I'd better do
summat, and see what the lowdown was.

Anything you know would be much appreciated.

TTYL

Blaze

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Message no. 37
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:06:39 +0100
In article <Pine.GSO.3.93.961004055409.27551B-100000@*******>, Edward
Paul <doyle@******.edu> writes
>
> No joke. I used to go to a boarding school in a USAF/RAF base in
>High Wycombe, England. So, I've seen this.
Boarding School, LIke is this the kind of place where you learn to build
log cabins or something? Or am I crossing a couple of wires here. :)
>
>> Oh yea you can spot an American overseas 10 miles away no matter
>> how high his stealth ability..
>
> Actually, it isn't that hard, as long as you don't have to have a
>military haircut. It's amazing how well you can fit in if you let your
>hair go in any way, like having monster sideburns or dying your hair
>green. Speaking with a "proper" English dialect isn't that hard either,
>just talk without moving your jaw and maybe emphasize the vowels a little.
>
I had pink *hair* once, does that count, maybe I should get a stars and
stripes colour scheme for the hair :). Talk without moving your jaw???
Are you saying that the Brits are tight mouthed or something? :)
Emphasise vowels - err like John Wayne (oh no, that's a drawl isn't it).
How do the Brits eat and have "tea" (whatever that is) if they don't
move their jaws - what, they live on fluids or summat?

>> I met some brits that are still p!$$ed about
>> the revolution..It is interesting to hear it recollected from the other sides
>> point of view though..
>
> I remember once hearing an irate waiter say to my friends, "We
>_gave_ you america."
According to my vague knowledge of history, they did give us America,
right after we kicked 'em out. :)

>
> Here's another tip, if you don't want to look like a real
>american, overemphasize you're an american. Go to the shops and buy red,
>white, and blue caps, stars and stripes jackets, etc. Go really gung-ho
>on it. Once you do that, it'll look like you are _trying_ to be american,
>like so many young Brits do. So, keep your mouth closed and act like the
>dopes on MTV and you should be set.
OK, will do, though I don't think the team leader's gonna like that one.
:)

> Scotland (my old home) is far different than England, but maybe
>I'll go into that later...
Please do, we're touching down in Edinburgh, and could do with some inf.
on the law and any decent bars.

Hawaii? we're supposed to be going there soon, some guy called John Doe
XVII sent us a message saying please visit. :-?

Blaze
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Message no. 38
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:06:20 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.961003223750.1014B-
100000@******.cc.utexas.edu>, Michael Orion Jackson
<orion@****.cc.utexas.edu> writes
[snip]
>On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:
>
>> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
>
>One word: tea. That pretty much sums the buggers up.... ;)
>
Tea??? What's that then? Ta for the help, but huh?

Blaze
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Message no. 39
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:06:58 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.93.961004220632.692B-100000@****.bath.ac.uk>, The
Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk> writes
>On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, GRANITE wrote:
>
>> I met some brits that are still p!$$ed about
>> the revolution..It is interesting to hear it recollected from the other sides
>> point of view though..
>This isn't common us Brits hardly remember it in fact. But then again if
>it wasn't for us British you Americans wouldn't have anything to celebrate
>on 4th July :)
>
>Oh and by the way here's a run down on the various names used to describe
>the lands.
>
>Great Britain = England + Scotland + Wales
>United Kingdon = Great Britain + Northern Island + Isle of Wight etc
>British Isles = UK + Rest of Ireland + Channel Islands
>
>These terms are NOT synonymous despite it often being thought. Oh and by
>the way the best way to piss of a Scot (or the Welsh) is to call Great
>Britain, England.

The only time I met a Scot, I found the fastest way to piss him off was
to ask why the men wear skirts. :) Oh boy was he mad. :(

Met a Welsh dragon once, Perr... Perry... well anyway, I met one.
Don't think he likes me too much. :(

Why can't the Brits decide on a single name to describe their country
then. I mean, you've got Africa, Germany, USA, Canada, but the British
have to have three ways to describe one small set of islands the size of
Texas. :), What strange people. :)

Blaze
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Message no. 40
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 02:11:12 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.93.961004215246.692A-100000@****.bath.ac.uk>, The
Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk> writes
[snip request for information on England 205*)
>Well we are a little more reserved I guess (not me personally, but thats
>another story :) and less openly patriotic than the Americans. Firearms at
>present are much less common place than the US, and despite FASA having
>said teh police are armed in teh future it would still be teh case -due to
>attitudes that firearms are still teh exception rather than the rule -i.e.
>no storekeepers with pump action shotguns.
>
Hey DM, please get your keyboard fixed, I think the h and e keys are in
the wrong place - still :) :) Isn't Bath a peaceful place, all the
storekeepers down here on the Island are armed, though not with firearms
- there are worse things than those. :( - Sheep to name one. :)

>To be honest, and this is a gross generalisation, we do look upon the
>Americans with a little air of superiority. The phrase 'only in America'
>is heard quite frequently. This prejudice will often fade when us Brits
>take the time to get to know a "sep" :) Unless they do something to just
>prove our pompous ideas correct :)
I can safely say that as a *sort of British person* I never look down on
Americans, I try very hard not to look at them at all :)

>
>Oh and by the way if you want to compliment a guy on the way he looks -do
>NOT call him 'cute'. To us 'cute' is for fluffy bunnies and babies. When
>used to describe a bloke, he may (and I fall into this category :) take it
>as a slight insult.
Should I take it that this means you *are* "cute", :) and are likely to
attrract this sort of comment :)

>
>Oh and just to annoy your group throw in lots of 'slang' and words which
>Americans are often unfamiliar with e.g. :
>Bin/Dust bin = Trash can
>Loo = Toilet
>and remember the swearing as well (please do not read if easily offended
>:)
Erm, sorry DM, the original post was from one of my players temporarily
(on a permanent basis) stealing my account, she decided it would be
helpful to the team if she could get some views and experience on
Britain/England from other players and GM's who have run in the UK, and
was after any relevant data concerning the futuristic UK. I'm running
the game, and (if you check the mail address) you'll notice I am
British. (if only by birth and not descent) though my wife's a slope,
er, I mean a foreign British person. :) (ducks under swinging fist) :)

>
>Wanker = A derogatory term refer to the act of masturbation (remembers the
>episode of Mork and Mindy where there was a gut called Mr Wanker :)
>Taking the Piss = Sarcastically teasing someone
>
>Hope that helps a little.
>PS I hope I don't have to point out that these are generalisations and
>stereotypes and I am in no way prejudiced towards Americans....well not
>much anyway :) :) :) :)

Never had a problem with prejudice, i've always found that the easiest
way to deal with foreigners is to treat them all the same - if you shout
at them loud enough, they'll eventually understand. :)

Ta muchly
Pete (the British guy running the game :) )

--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 41
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:06:29 +0100
In article <3254D748.5FDD@**.net>, GRANITE <granite@**.net> writes
>> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
>>
>
>Well it was my experiance that the farther away from an American military
>base you get the nicer the Brits became..You see [no offense to anyone] Brits
>have VERY long memories..If one US military guy 10 years ago busts up a
>pub..Well they sort of keep this in mind every time an american comes into
>that pub..Oh yea you can spot an American overseas 10 miles away no matter
>how high his stealth ability..I met some brits that are still p!$$ed about
>the revolution..It is interesting to hear it recollected from the other sides
>point of view though..

Thanks Granite :)
I'll remember to stay away from any location containing a UCAS military
base, or mentioning the revolution - erm. by the way, which revolution
would that be - Industrial revolution, or the Boston Tea Party type???

Not too bothered about the stealth problem, they'll see me coming
anyway, 1.93m tall, and pointy ears. :) And I'll say nothing about the
taste in clothing, but - got your shades on :)

Blaze

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Message no. 42
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:53:04 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.93.961004221134.692C-100000@****.bath.ac.uk>, The
Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk> writes
>On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, A Halliwell wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm. Some of us are Nice. Some are complete arse-holes. The usual mix.
>> (Although the arse-holes do seem to be more in the south and the nice people
>> up north.)
>
>Ooh the North/South divide -that definitely deserves a mention. the
>phrases 'Southern bastard' and 'Nothern Git' are quite common. The usual
>stereotype is of the Northerners being the working class, while
>Southerners are teh higher brow (especially in London); the latter are
>otherwsie known as 'slimey gits' :)
>
I wouldn't say that the northerners were working class, the few times I
visited the "north" most of the pleasant people I met were pissed as
rats :), that seems to indicate that they are - drinking class :)

(ducks into bomb shelter)

>By the way I'm from the South if anyone is keeping track.
Wasn't keeping track, but I would have said Bath was about half way up,
so that should make you a Middler :) :) :)

Seeing as I come from the Isle Of Wight - the butt end of England - I
won't ask what that makes me :) :) :) after all, anything north of us
is full of foreigners anyway. :)

You're *all* northerners to us. :)

Pete

--
Pete Sims
Heroes or Fools? That's a determination others will make in hindsight. But by
being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 43
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:08:45 +0100
In article <27152.199610041044@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
[snip]
>|
>|> We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
>|
>|One word: tea. That pretty much sums the buggers up.... ;)
>
>Oi! Not so much of the "Hello old boy, what what.", bowler hat, John Steed
>and Tea stereotypes, MATE!!
>I admit I drink tea, but only when I run out of coffee.
>
>(I met a Japanese student last year who thought all english people looked
>like John Steed (from the Avengers). I was a bit of a shock to him, I can
>tell you.....)

Why??? What *do* you look like. No, on second thoughts don't answer
that, I'll leave it to my imagination :)

Blaze
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Message no. 44
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 09:39:38 -0500 (EST)
>Met a Welsh dragon once, Perr... Perry... well anyway, I met one.
>Don't think he likes me too much. :(
>
That would be Perrianwyr....:) If you see him again, tell him Bull says hi,
thanks for the Insecticide, and Marie's making more cheesecake for him...:)

>Why can't the Brits decide on a single name to describe their country
>then. I mean, you've got Africa, Germany, USA, Canada, but the British
>have to have three ways to describe one small set of islands the size of
>Texas. :), What strange people. :)
>
Actually, I think Texas is biger...:)

>Blaze
>Blaze
>
-Bull-the-saying-hi-to-the-dragon-to-be-polite-decker-turned-GM
-Bull-the-saying-hi-to-the-dragon-to-be-polite-decker-turned-GM





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chaos@*****.com
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Message no. 45
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:19:53 +0100
In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.961004135018.4326A-100000@****.spydernet.com>,
Dvixen Vidi Vici <dvixen@****.spydernet.com> writes
>On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, A Halliwell wrote:
>
[snip]
>
>All the Brits that I know are certifiable. Eccentric doesn't even cover
>it... I still get yelled at by all of them for forgeting to use boiling
>water over the tea bag. Why should I care if the water has been sitting
>for ten seconds, and the tea bag I am just getting out of the cupboard?
>
I wish someone would tell me what this blasted Tea stuff *is*. I've
been trying to get information on Britain/England - whatever you want to
call it regarding a run we're doing there, and everyone's talking about
*tea*. What the frag is this, is it some kind of toxic waste, and can
we import it to Seattle? :)

>The one family I know, are all super intellegent. Not geeky intellegent,
>but the kind that you take to pubs for entertainment. They always have
>anecdotes for every situation. And their humor... It's real odd. Watch
>Young Ones and Bottom sometime. They make Red Dwarf and Black Adder look
>very tame at times...
I would say that to Red Dwarf and Black Adder if I were you, two of the
meanest Trolls I ever met. Took a long time to put those guys down I
can tell you. Thank the gods for the *equaliser*. :)

>
>And why must the Welsh call everyone 'luv'?
Speed impediment ? :) Having said that, that Perrythingamamy dragon
fella sure didn't call me "luv". Not sure what he did call me, I could
make it over the explosion of the LAW rocket.

Blaze
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Message no. 46
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:10:07 +0100 (BST)
|I had pink *hair* once, does that count, maybe I should get a stars and
|stripes colour scheme for the hair :). Talk without moving your jaw???
|Are you saying that the Brits are tight mouthed or something? :)
|Emphasise vowels - err like John Wayne (oh no, that's a drawl isn't it).
|How do the Brits eat and have "tea" (whatever that is) if they don't
|move their jaws - what, they live on fluids or summat?

Tea is a drink, or the name of a meal at around 4pm....
(Depending which part of the country you're in....)

Tea: Dried leaves in boiling water, with or without milk/sugar....
Tea: Northern meal. See dinner.

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Message no. 47
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:14:29 +0100 (BST)
|>These terms are NOT synonymous despite it often being thought. Oh and by
|>the way the best way to piss of a Scot (or the Welsh) is to call Great
|>Britain, England.
|
|The only time I met a Scot, I found the fastest way to piss him off was
|to ask why the men wear skirts. :) Oh boy was he mad. :(

"It is ne a skirrt, it's a Kilt, and if you call it a skirrt one morre time,
then yell be kilt" (so said a very silly scottish character in an LRP I
played in a while ago....)

|Why can't the Brits decide on a single name to describe their country
|then. I mean, you've got Africa, Germany, USA, Canada, but the British
|have to have three ways to describe one small set of islands the size of
|Texas. :), What strange people. :)

That's because we still have some pride in our heritage (sometimes).
The Scots, Irish and Welsh all have thier own identities.
(Most of america seems to be one cultural amorphous blob....)
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Message no. 48
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:35:03 +0100
In article <199610040806.IAA15568@*****.mmedia.is>, olafur gunnarsson
<olafurg@******.is> writes
>>
>>Hoi Chummers!!
>>(New in here so apologies if I booboo occasionally)
>>Don't seem to have had an answer to my question yet, so I can only
>>suspect that my mailer ate my question :( Sooo.. here it is again. :)
>>
>>I'm off to Britain next. Can anyone give me any lowdown on the place
>>and people?
>>(Running Imago so no spoilers please.) :)
>>The "all powerful one" said I could request info.
>>Looking for personal experience rather than sourcebook details, as I
>>have access to London Sourcebook.
>>
>>We need to know what we're facing. What are the Brits really like?
>>
>
>
>Well it depends on were you are going in england becuse the land is well a=
nd
>truly fragged.In scotland you have the scotsprawl were most of the people =
libe.
Touch down is Edinburgh, from there, we're not too sure where we'll be
headed, but consider all points possible.

>The toxic zones were even the land will kill you. And then the wildlands
>Full of shamanic Druids Awakened critters and a land filled with magic.
Smog masks and NBC suits a necessity then. Added to gear list.

>In Wales you have much the same as the wildlands sprinkled with rural
>villages and Lordly estates.But in England itself you run up against the
>worst toxic zones and the greater london sprawl takes up much of the
>southern part of the country. Cupled with a fasist goverment ruled by
>Hermetic Druids into a lots of bad mojo and a lot of wery deadly gangs and
>mobs London aint safe.

That's not encouraging, rumour has it that's one of our destinations.
These druid dudes sound like they're a right bunch of nutters. How come
they're the ones in charge then? Is it worth taking a few stakes, garlic
and some holy water for these fellas then?

Fascist government huh? Well, after you've dealt with Aztechnology,
fascists aren't really too much of a problem, not much different either
come to that.

>But if you need any help down there try contacting a fixer called Silent J=
ames
>He owns and runs a nightclub in.The east end just mention my name to the
>bartender and he´l set up a meet with James. But be ready to pay through=
the
>nose things cost more over there easily 200% more than in the Ucas. And al=
so
>when dealing with anyone of importance be ready to take your time dealing
>with them these people dont rush into anything.well If you want any
>specifics i can supplie those.

Thanks for that, I'll look him up if we get there. Say, if you're ever
in Seattle, phone Sandii on 01555 873291 (router) and ask for Red Shift,
we're always ready to help a fellow chummer. (Just don't mention
anything about the teeth - she's *real* touchy about them).

Pay through the nose... I'm kinda used to that, same thing in Bellevue,
Seattle. Charges are through the roof in there. Damn triple A legal
rating. :(

> -Smudge-
>
Thanks bud, ta muchly from Blaze.

Blaze
Blaze
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Message no. 49
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:17:08 +0100 (BST)
|Why??? What *do* you look like. No, on second thoughts don't answer
|that, I'll leave it to my imagination :)

Nope. We can't have you wearing out your imagination.
I'm about 6' tall (or 6'6" if you include the mohican (when I have it up))
I wear the "standard" punk stuff like Tartan trousers/studded leather
jacket/etc....

I think you get the idea....

(Oooo, and don't forget the septum ring)
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Message no. 50
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:05:22 +0100
In article <199610061439.JAA11188@***.ncweb.com>, Steven Ratkovich
<chaos@*****.com> writes
>>Met a Welsh dragon once, Perr... Perry... well anyway, I met one.
>>Don't think he likes me too much. :(
>>
>That would be Perrianwyr....:) If you see him again, tell him Bull says hi,
>thanks for the Insecticide, and Marie's making more cheesecake for him...:)
>
Say HI to him, hey we stuffed a LAW rocket up his Butt, the chances of
saying "Oh by the way Bull says hi and Marie's making cheesecake",
before he fries us is pretty remote. We also capped a few rounds into
Kyle, this seemed to make P angry as well. So I don't we're exactly
flavour of the month with him. :(

>>Why can't the Brits decide on a single name to describe their country
>>then. I mean, you've got Africa, Germany, USA, Canada, but the British
>>have to have three ways to describe one small set of islands the size of
>>Texas. :), What strange people. :)
>>
>Actually, I think Texas is biger...:)
Probably, didn't bother to check. :)

Maybe I should have said Florida, that's probably nearer the size. :)

Blaze

Blaze
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Message no. 51
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:20:12 +0100 (BST)
|>All the Brits that I know are certifiable. Eccentric doesn't even cover
|>it... I still get yelled at by all of them for forgeting to use boiling
|>water over the tea bag. Why should I care if the water has been sitting
|>for ten seconds, and the tea bag I am just getting out of the cupboard?
|>
|I wish someone would tell me what this blasted Tea stuff *is*. I've
|been trying to get information on Britain/England - whatever you want to
|call it regarding a run we're doing there, and everyone's talking about
|*tea*. What the frag is this, is it some kind of toxic waste, and can
|we import it to Seattle? :)

Let me get this straight. You've never seen Jean Luc Picard go up to the
replicator and say "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot."?

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Message no. 52
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:23:07 +0100 (BST)
|(interrupt caused by owner of computer and GM of current game - "waddya
|mean a-holes in the south, I'm a southie, and as far as I know the
|miserable sods are all up north. :-) You're just jealous coz we've got
|the better countryside and shops, and pubs and beer, and cheap travel
|away from this sodding place. :-) - have you never wondered why the
|highest concentration of airports and harbours is in the south? :) end
|GM interrupt)

Errrr.....
Because everyone's so busy trying to escape from the place?

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Message no. 53
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:22:27 +0100
In article <20505.199610061410@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|I had pink *hair* once, does that count, maybe I should get a stars and
>|stripes colour scheme for the hair :). Talk without moving your jaw???
>|Are you saying that the Brits are tight mouthed or something? :)
>|Emphasise vowels - err like John Wayne (oh no, that's a drawl isn't it).
>|How do the Brits eat and have "tea" (whatever that is) if they don't
>|move their jaws - what, they live on fluids or summat?
>
>Tea is a drink, or the name of a meal at around 4pm....
>(Depending which part of the country you're in....)
So... what your saying is... That in some parts of the country they
drink it, and in other parts of the country they eat it. :-?

>
>Tea: Dried leaves in boiling water, with or without milk/sugar....
Dried leaves in boiling water, that sounds disgusting. I really
couldn't bring myself to go and pluck a tree and then boil the leaves to
Drink !!!!! Blech!!!! So what type of tree do they use then??? :)


>Tea: Northern meal. See dinner.
OK, so the rest of the UK boil leaves and then drink them??? But if in
the northern areas they make a meal of them.... (This is getting really
wierd) that would imply that somewhere in England there is a tree farm,
which produces these leaves specially for varied consumption. What kind
of meals do they make from these dried leaves then, and do you vary the
recipe with different leaves, and what type of tree do you prefer???

Blaze. (The getting very confused Bounty Hunter)
Blaze
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Message no. 54
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:57:28 +0100
In article <31254713D3@******.wits.ac.za>, Andre' Selmer
<031ANDRE@******.wits.ac.za> writes
>@
>@ One word: tea. That pretty much sums the buggers up.... ;)
>
> Oiy! Whats wrong with tea (save Earl Grey). The fact that we are
>totally innane and incomprehensible, have funny accents and have a
>different translation of english has nothing to do with it. We're
>unique. (at least we can laugh at ourselves).
If I knew what this damned tea was I'd answer you, is it some sort of
ritual magic or something. Or some kind of toxic waste? :)

I don't know, everyone but me knows about tea, I keep telling the team
leader we should get out more, but he has a paranoid fear of the dark
and the shadows - for some strange reason. I even had to hold his hand
once :(

>
> Odd
>
> -- We exist because you want us to, because you are
> |__|__ afraid to face the facts. We are what you fear
> /\ /\ \ in the deep recesses of your soul, yourselves.
> |\ /\ /| | It is there in the shadows of your soul and those
> |/ \/ \| | of the street that we exist. Through the use of
> \/__\/ might, magic, cunning, blood, sweat and tears we
> protect you from your fears, from youselves, from
> others and keep your utopia, not ours, intact.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ah, a Brotherhood representative, I wondered when you people would show
up in here. What's that then, the new logo and speech - fed up of the
"hive" style then???? :)

Blaze
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Message no. 55
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:06:49 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.93.961004221717.692D-100000@****.bath.ac.uk>, The
Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk> writes
>On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Edward Paul wrote:
>
>> green. Speaking with a "proper" English dialect isn't that hard
either,
>> just talk without moving your jaw and maybe emphasize the vowels a little.
>I'm not sure everyone could do a convincing English accent, at least not
>when they're trying to fool someone from England :)
>Oh and don't look to films for English accents (remembers Kevin Costner's
>accent in Robin Hood, and the terible Cockney accent of Dick Van Dyke in
>Mary Poppins :)
Jeez you're an old timer, them's two movies I've never heard of, what
century they from then chummer, and is it worth checking them out? What
are you, an immortal elf or something? :)

>
>> I remember once hearing an irate waiter say to my friends, "We
>> _gave_ you america."
>Whats teh betting that was in response to an American boasting about how
>they 'trounced us' in the war for independence. Brits I find aren't that
>bothered about losing America, it only becomes a touchy subject when
>Americans start boasting :) :) :)
Americans don't boast... :) They just like to let the rest of the world
know that they are owed a big favour, and are the best in the world.
That's not boasting, that's erm.... OK maybe it is. :)

>
>> Here's another tip, if you don't want to look like a real
>> american, overemphasize you're an american. Go to the shops and buy red,
>> white, and blue caps, stars and stripes jackets, etc. Go really gung-ho
>> on it. Once you do that, it'll look like you are _trying_ to be american,
>> like so many young Brits do.
>Yes, its sad but true, some Brits do want to be like Americans :(
I don't want to be like an American, or a Brit, I'm a Japanese Elf
visiting on biz, just looking for some paydirt on the Brit sit.

>
> The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
^^^^^^^^^^
Bath, UK, so, you're a Brit. That means you might know a bit more than
most about what it's like over there in 205* then??? So, what's the
lowdown then Chummer.? :)

Blaze

Blaze
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Message no. 56
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:32:44 +0100
In article <6817.199610061136@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|I don't know what the ad looks like up your end, but down here it's dead
>|cute. :)
>
>Oh, I admit the advert's cute.
>The point is, that half the tech they're showing off dowsn't work, and the
>other half is old hat anyway.....
>
Ah, but that's the power of advertising. Even if the product is crap,
advertising can make it look like the best thing since man discovered
fire. :)

Allowing for the massive influence of advertising today, the future of
advertising would be even more so. Take Robocop and Max Headroom as
examples. The product offered by the corps is a piel of garbage,
but.... the advertising on the TV and though media releases makes it
out to be wonderful. Another, though much weaker example is "Best
Defence". If something like the examples FASA use of flooded advertising
on every street, and the "albeit poor" example of multiscreen adverts
used in Tekwar, and the smothering volume of it in Bladerunner, this
would seem to imply that no matter the poor quality of the goods, if you
can make it look good, people will want it.

The advertisement for Sizewell/Sellafield/whatever, is, as I'm sure
you'll admit, designed to impress, and in that vein, it succeeds, for
the less initiated (read general public) they will accept the
advertisement on face value, believing that the ITC will moderate the
advertisement and disallow any untruths or inaccuracies. Obviously our
American comrades in here won't have the foggiest idea what the drek
we're talking about, but I'm sure they've come across similar
advertising.

Yes some of us in Britain are aware that we don't lead the market in
research, according to some press the actual leader is Seattle,
apprarently being dubbed the VR capital of the US, maybe someone can
confirm or trash this.

Advertising in 205* should be even more impressive, and allowing for the
fact that a great many of the research breakthroughs are made by British
scientists, even though they invariably move to countries who are
prepared to pay them to do their research, and we invariably sell off
our discoveries, like the Harrier, (which I believe is owned by the US
now). I don't like the FASA interpretation of future Britain. They
described London quite extensively, brushed over the rest of the UK,
gave Ireland to the Elves, and decided rather arbitrarily that the UK
would be ruled by an almost fascist state.

When you consider the diversity of cultures present in the UK today, and
the way this country seems to be developing, and the innate
hatred/dislike for fascism displayed by much of the population. I can't
hold with their somewhat casual dismissal of this country dealt with at
FASA's hand. A bit like the way they dealt with Germany, and utterly
destroyed the Netherlands (much to Gurths unhappiness). Some of their
views are useful, but they seem to have decided, that they are going to
concentrate on the US (OK granted they're an american company), but they
were rather casual with Europe and the UK. I've halfway incorporated
their sourcebook, with the two released for Cyberpunk, and rewritten a
lot of it to fit with my game and my view of the UK.

There are a large number of corporations (primarily UK based, that use
advertising similar to the Sizewell style, to push their product as
being the best, and implying that they are the market leaders.

>(The VR is still to slow and crappy to be of much use....)
Maybe, maybe not, I can't comment on that, as I've not seen or
experienced it beyond the glimpse shown on the TV in the advert with the
shepherd, though why they'd think a sheep is refelctive of VR in
general, or a major part of UK culture that needed to be put across in
the advert is beyond me. (Maybe that's the only VR program they've got
that works - I don't know).

Putting the VR concept into real terms, and then taking into account the
massive research being invested into telepresence, how long is it likely
to be before this sort of thing is a workable and viable thing for
training and operational use. And if the advert is to be believed (and
this is speculation meant in humour - I'm not that much of a sucker:) )
how long before one of our companies is claiming responsibility?

Again, taking into account the strange way FASA dealt with Europe and
the UK, I seem to recall an incident during the Euro Wars, when a UK
squadron of Nightwraith bombers stuffed the war in the ass, and brought
it to a logistical end. Implying that the UK is still a power to be
reckoned with, and that we still have influence in Europe. The fact
that Europe was fighting a war, also seems to indicate that the
governments of Europe were capable of sustaining this action, and are
also still powers to be reckoned with, megacorps or not. And then FASA
just seem to shut it all down, turning Europe into this dark fascistic
(is that a word??) bleak future. I can't accept it.

There are a number of things in my interpretation of Europe and the UK,
that really are *too* involved to go into here. But the strength of
German, French and British culture is unlikely to be suppressed so
easily.

Enough. I've started waffling on again. :( I really must start
reducing my posts in size. I apologise to everyone about my constant
babbling at length about things that are effectively irrelevant to rule
oriented materials. But once I get started.... well.... :)

BFN
Pete
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Pete Sims
And when I shall die, take him and cut him out in little stars, and he will make
the face of heaven so fine, that all the world will be in love with night, and
pay no worship to the garish sun.
Message no. 57
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:06:49 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.93.961004221717.692D-100000@****.bath.ac.uk>, The
Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk> writes
>On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Edward Paul wrote:
>
>> green. Speaking with a "proper" English dialect isn't that hard
either,
>> just talk without moving your jaw and maybe emphasize the vowels a little.
>I'm not sure everyone could do a convincing English accent, at least not
>when they're trying to fool someone from England :)
>Oh and don't look to films for English accents (remembers Kevin Costner's
>accent in Robin Hood, and the terible Cockney accent of Dick Van Dyke in
>Mary Poppins :)
Jeez you're an old timer, them's two movies I've never heard of, what
century they from then chummer, and is it worth checking them out? What
are you, an immortal elf or something? :)

>
>> I remember once hearing an irate waiter say to my friends, "We
>> _gave_ you america."
>Whats teh betting that was in response to an American boasting about how
>they 'trounced us' in the war for independence. Brits I find aren't that
>bothered about losing America, it only becomes a touchy subject when
>Americans start boasting :) :) :)
Americans don't boast... :) They just like to let the rest of the world
know that they are owed a big favour, and are the best in the world.
That's not boasting, that's erm.... OK maybe it is. :)

>
>> Here's another tip, if you don't want to look like a real
>> american, overemphasize you're an american. Go to the shops and buy red,
>> white, and blue caps, stars and stripes jackets, etc. Go really gung-ho
>> on it. Once you do that, it'll look like you are _trying_ to be american,
>> like so many young Brits do.
>Yes, its sad but true, some Brits do want to be like Americans :(
I don't want to be like an American, or a Brit, I'm a Japanese Elf
visiting on biz, just looking for some paydirt on the Brit sit.

>
> The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
^^^^^^^^^^
Bath, UK, so, you're a Brit. That means you might know a bit more than
most about what it's like over there in 205* then??? So, what's the
lowdown then Chummer.? :)

Blaze

Blaze
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Message no. 58
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:44:28 +0100 (BST)
On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:

> >I'm not sure everyone could do a convincing English accent, at least not
> >when they're trying to fool someone from England :)
> >Oh and don't look to films for English accents (remembers Kevin Costner's
> >accent in Robin Hood, and the terible Cockney accent of Dick Van Dyke in
> >Mary Poppins :)
> Jeez you're an old timer, them's two movies I've never heard of, what
> century they from then chummer, and is it worth checking them out? What
> are you, an immortal elf or something? :)
I have mysteriously stumbled onto ShadowTalk or something?????????? :)

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 59
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:45:21 +0100 (BST)
|>Tea is a drink, or the name of a meal at around 4pm....
|>(Depending which part of the country you're in....)
|So... what your saying is... That in some parts of the country they
|drink it, and in other parts of the country they eat it. :-?

No. Tea is still a drink, but we call the meal tea-time, or tea for short.

|>
|>Tea: Dried leaves in boiling water, with or without milk/sugar....
|Dried leaves in boiling water, that sounds disgusting. I really
|couldn't bring myself to go and pluck a tree and then boil the leaves to
|Drink !!!!! Blech!!!! So what type of tree do they use then??? :)

The Tea bush of course.
And you do filter out the leaves before you drink it. The most common was is
to put the shredded leaves in tea-bags and poor the water on them. Then you
can take the bag out without having to bother with the tea leaves.
Of course, if you're a fortune teller, then you need to read the tea leaves,
so tea bags are no good.... :)


|>Tea: Northern meal. See dinner.
|OK, so the rest of the UK boil leaves and then drink them??? But if in
|the northern areas they make a meal of them.... (This is getting really
|wierd)

NO! In the north, we just call Dinner, tea (short for tea-time).
The southerners (or at least the posh ones) usually have the main meal of the
day (Dinner) at around 8pm. We have ours in the evening and just CALL it
tea.

that would imply that somewhere in England there is a tree farm,
|which produces these leaves specially for varied consumption. What kind
|of meals do they make from these dried leaves then, and do you vary the
|recipe with different leaves, and what type of tree do you prefer???

Actually, tea is imported from india.
Don't tell me you never heard of the Boston Tea Party? I though that was
supposed to be one of the important things in yankie history....
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Message no. 60
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:47:00 +0100 (BST)
|I have mysteriously stumbled onto ShadowTalk or something?????????? :)

I was just beginning to think that myself....
(especially with all this trouble explaining to someone what Tea is......)

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Message no. 61
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:47:22 +0100 (BST)
On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:

> >Great Britain = England + Scotland + Wales
> >United Kingdon = Great Britain + Northern Island + Isle of Wight etc
> >British Isles = UK + Rest of Ireland + Channel Islands
>
> Why can't the Brits decide on a single name to describe their country
But the terms aren't describing a single country, thats the point! :)

> I mean, you've got Africa, Germany, USA, Canada, but the British
> have to have three ways to describe one small set of islands the size of
> Texas. :), What strange people. :)
Well teh different descriptions describe different subsets of those
islands which do become very important when talking politics and the like.

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Life is a choice, Death....an obligation."-Me
Shadowrun WWW site at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun
Message no. 62
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 02:14:31 +0100
In article <199610042119.OAA27579@*******.?>, mike.paff@*****.com writes
>On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:
>
>> I'm off to Britain next. Can anyone give me any lowdown on the place
>> and people?
>> (Running Imago so no spoilers please.) :)
>
>Talk about small worlds. I plan on offerring my group the opportunity
>to travel to the UK starting tomorrow night (running Imago as well).
>
>Once we both finish, maybe we can get together and compare notes,
>GM's impression vs. players impression.
>
Sure, no probs, hey, maybe we'll even run into each other, you know,
same run, same stuff, it might even enable us to find out what this
mysterious "TEA" thing is. :)

Give us a shout when you arrive, just check the nearest bar for Red
Shift, we'll be nearby. :)

>Mike Paff

Blaze
Blaze
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Message no. 63
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:43:53 +0100
In article <20958.199610061414@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|>These terms are NOT synonymous despite it often being thought. Oh and by
>|>the way the best way to piss of a Scot (or the Welsh) is to call Great
>|>Britain, England.
>|
>|The only time I met a Scot, I found the fastest way to piss him off was
>|to ask why the men wear skirts. :) Oh boy was he mad. :(
>
>"It is ne a skirrt, it's a Kilt, and if you call it a skirrt one morre time,
>then yell be kilt" (so said a very silly scottish character in an LRP I
>played in a while ago....)
>
OK, so how can you tell the difference between a skirt and a kilt then,
and don't give me this "fellas wear kilts" stuff, coz I've seen
transvestites, and I *know* that men wear skirts.

Apparently true Scots wear nothing under the kilt, even in the deepest
winter, as a sign of being *real men* or some such macho thing.
Does this mean, that it's OK in Scotland to go around lifting skirts and
kilts to see if it's a kilt or skirt that the man is wearing. :-?

And do the scottish mind this behaviour??? :)

>|Why can't the Brits decide on a single name to describe their country
>|then. I mean, you've got Africa, Germany, USA, Canada, but the British
>|have to have three ways to describe one small set of islands the size of
>|Texas. :), What strange people. :)
>
>That's because we still have some pride in our heritage (sometimes).
>The Scots, Irish and Welsh all have thier own identities.
>(Most of america seems to be one cultural amorphous blob....)

Surely pride in heritage would allow the Brits to agree on a singular
description for their little collection of Islands. I appreciate that
the Welsh, Scots and Irish have their own identities and history, but as
a general thing, wouldn't a singular description be more useful. ??

Surely only the Brits really need to be this ridiulous in their own
country, without confusing the rest of the planet. After all, the
empire finished a long time ago. :)

USA as an Amorphous blob! Wow, I wouldn't have been that polite or
generous. :)

Blaze :)

Blaze
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Message no. 64
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:47:58 +0100
In article <21253.199610061417@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|Why??? What *do* you look like. No, on second thoughts don't answer
>|that, I'll leave it to my imagination :)
>
>Nope. We can't have you wearing out your imagination.
>I'm about 6' tall (or 6'6" if you include the mohican (when I have it up))
>I wear the "standard" punk stuff like Tartan trousers/studded leather
>jacket/etc....
>
erm... RL or RP????

>I think you get the idea....
Sort of - ish. Uhoh, this is a seriously flakey dude people. :) :)

>
>(Oooo, and don't forget the septum ring)
The what??? Is this some kind of informative symbol to recognise you to
other affiliates of an organisation/policlub??? Or is a "personal"
thing? :) :)

Blaze

Blaze
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Message no. 65
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:45:54 +0100
In article <21588.199610061420@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|>All the Brits that I know are certifiable. Eccentric doesn't even cover
>|>it... I still get yelled at by all of them for forgeting to use boiling
>|>water over the tea bag. Why should I care if the water has been sitting
>|>for ten seconds, and the tea bag I am just getting out of the cupboard?
>|>
>|I wish someone would tell me what this blasted Tea stuff *is*. I've
>|been trying to get information on Britain/England - whatever you want to
>|call it regarding a run we're doing there, and everyone's talking about
>|*tea*. What the frag is this, is it some kind of toxic waste, and can
>|we import it to Seattle? :)
>
>Let me get this straight. You've never seen Jean Luc Picard go up to the
>replicator and say "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot."?

What's a Jean Luc Picard??? And What the frag! is a replicator??? Is
this a new invention from Ares or something. And if Tea, is supposedly
a British/English thing, and Jean Luc Picard looks like a French name,
does this mean "tea" originated from France, or that Earl Grey is
specifically a french affectation, or is that how the French describe
Tea. ???

Blaze
Blaze
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Message no. 66
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:01:40 +0100 (BST)
|
|In article <21253.199610061417@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
|<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
|>|Why??? What *do* you look like. No, on second thoughts don't answer
|>|that, I'll leave it to my imagination :)
|>
|>Nope. We can't have you wearing out your imagination.
|>I'm about 6' tall (or 6'6" if you include the mohican (when I have it up))
|>I wear the "standard" punk stuff like Tartan trousers/studded leather
|>jacket/etc....
|>
|erm... RL or RP????

RL. This is shadowrn, not shadowtk....

|>(Oooo, and don't forget the septum ring)
|The what??? Is this some kind of informative symbol to recognise you to
|other affiliates of an organisation/policlub??? Or is a "personal"
|thing? :) :)

Personal of course....
(The Septum is the middle bit of the nose, between the nostrils. Not
something rude.....)
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Message no. 67
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:04:49 +0100 (BST)
|What's a Jean Luc Picard??? And What the frag! is a replicator??? Is
|this a new invention from Ares or something. And if Tea, is supposedly
|a British/English thing, and Jean Luc Picard looks like a French name,
|does this mean "tea" originated from France, or that Earl Grey is
|specifically a french affectation, or is that how the French describe
|Tea. ???

Could you drop the in-character crap please?
Keep in character stuff to shadowTK where it belongs.

I think you know well enough that Jean Luc is the Captian of the Starship
Enterprise "D" and soon the "E" in "Star Trek, The Next
Generation".
If you don't then you've obviously been on mars for the past 8 years....
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Message no. 68
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:45:54 +0100
In article <21588.199610061420@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|>All the Brits that I know are certifiable. Eccentric doesn't even cover
>|>it... I still get yelled at by all of them for forgeting to use boiling
>|>water over the tea bag. Why should I care if the water has been sitting
>|>for ten seconds, and the tea bag I am just getting out of the cupboard?
>|>
>|I wish someone would tell me what this blasted Tea stuff *is*. I've
>|been trying to get information on Britain/England - whatever you want to
>|call it regarding a run we're doing there, and everyone's talking about
>|*tea*. What the frag is this, is it some kind of toxic waste, and can
>|we import it to Seattle? :)
>
>Let me get this straight. You've never seen Jean Luc Picard go up to the
>replicator and say "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot."?

What's a Jean Luc Picard??? And What the frag! is a replicator??? Is
this a new invention from Ares or something. And if Tea, is supposedly
a British/English thing, and Jean Luc Picard looks like a French name,
does this mean "tea" originated from France, or that Earl Grey is
specifically a french affectation, or is that how the French describe
Tea. ???

Blaze
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Message no. 69
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:07:45 +0100
In article <24553.199610061445@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
Huge snip about tea drinking/eating habits in England]

>
>Actually, tea is imported from india.
>Don't tell me you never heard of the Boston Tea Party? I though that was
>supposed to be one of the important things in yankie history....

Yep heard of it. That's when the Brits were kicked out of the states.
:)

Erm, I would hate to mention it at this time, but the original post came
from a player in my game, pretending to be an American, visting England
in 205*, she asked for informaton about England of this time.
Unfortunately someone brought up the subject of tea, and she claimed
ignorance and this long tea thing started. Said player has been slapped
mercilessly. :)

One other thing, if you'd noticed my address, you would have seen that
it was from England. ".demon.co.uk". Sorry for the confusion, but
thanks for the long explanantion, I will use this on my players when
they visit, and inevitably ask the same question.

Thanks muchly for that, it should prove useful and amusing. :)

(instead of player - Blaze - who is now RIP-ish)

Pete
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Message no. 70
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:02:04 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.93.961006154326.6676A-100000@*****.bath.ac.uk>,
The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.ac.uk> writes
>On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Pete Sims wrote:
>
>> >I'm not sure everyone could do a convincing English accent, at least not
>> >when they're trying to fool someone from England :)
>> >Oh and don't look to films for English accents (remembers Kevin Costner's
>> >accent in Robin Hood, and the terible Cockney accent of Dick Van Dyke in
>> >Mary Poppins :)
>> Jeez you're an old timer, them's two movies I've never heard of, what
>> century they from then chummer, and is it worth checking them out? What
>> are you, an immortal elf or something? :)
>I have mysteriously stumbled onto ShadowTalk or something?????????? :)

No, one of my players wanted some information on England from other
players points of view, as they are about to start a game in England
(Imago), she ddecided it might be fun to post the question here in
Shadworn, as most GMs and Players exist in here, and are likely to come
up with information on their interpretation of England in the 205*'s.
that would give her something to arm herself with prior to their visit.
:)

Unfortunately the original purpose of the question got somewhat mislaid,
and has developed into a considerable thread that is covering a number
of topics except the one originally asked.

The player in question is using my account to access the newsgroup, and
is "in-character". Hence the occassionally strange replies. :)

Enough interruption from owner of account and GM. :)

Pete
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Message no. 71
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:10:24 +0100
In article <21901.199610061423@******.cc.keele.ac.uk>, A Halliwell
<u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> writes
>|(interrupt caused by owner of computer and GM of current game - "waddya
>|mean a-holes in the south, I'm a southie, and as far as I know the
>|miserable sods are all up north. :-) You're just jealous coz we've got
>|the better countryside and shops, and pubs and beer, and cheap travel
>|away from this sodding place. :-) - have you never wondered why the
>|highest concentration of airports and harbours is in the south? :) end
>|GM interrupt)
>
>Errrr.....
>Because everyone's so busy trying to escape from the place?

>
Absolutely spot on, who in the hell would really *want* to stay here. :)

Although having said that, there seem to be a lot of people wanting to
come into the country. Could this possibly mean that within the 60
years till Shadowrun the UK will be a multiracial/ethnic community, and
the Brits will all have left for other countries. :-? :)

Pete
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Message no. 72
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:28:57 +0100 (BST)
|>Errrr.....
|>Because everyone's so busy trying to escape from the place?
|
|>
|Absolutely spot on, who in the hell would really *want* to stay here. :)
|
|Although having said that, there seem to be a lot of people wanting to
|come into the country. Could this possibly mean that within the 60
|years till Shadowrun the UK will be a multiracial/ethnic community, and
|the Brits will all have left for other countries. :-? :)

Hmmmm. Possibly in the south, but I'm not too sure of the North...
Us lot still quite like it up here most of the time....


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Message no. 73
From: "John F. Lee" <jfl666@*.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)
On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, A Halliwell wrote:
>
> Well, all that proves is that we make the best comedy shows in the World.
> (Have you seen "Men Behaving Badly" yet? It'd give all the Pollitically
> Correct Americans a kick up the arse I can tell you.

Yes, actually, although not in Brit form. You see, NBC is having it
re-written and re-acted for the Amerian audience. Also, CBS is doing the
same thing with a show called "One Foot in the Grave", or something.

John F. Lee / jfl666@*.washington.edu
No herky-jerky starts or stops!
Message no. 74
From: "Brennan M. O'Keefe" <bmokeefe@**.com>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 10:52:01 -0500
> Apparently true Scots wear nothing under the kilt, even in the deepest
> winter, as a sign of being *real men* or some such macho thing.
> Does this mean, that it's OK in Scotland to go around lifting skirts and
> kilts to see if it's a kilt or skirt that the man is wearing. :-?

> And do the scottish mind this behaviour??? :)

VERY definitely. Unless the lifter is a truly fair lass... :)

Yeah, this has wandered WAAY off topic, but I once saw a letter to Miss
Manners or some such, about a guy here in the States who liked to wear
kilts. He was sick of having folks try to get a look, and was looking for a
polite way to get them to stop. The columnist replied that he should wear
full Scottish formal dress, including the traditional ceremonail dagger.
Then, if anyone started to annoy him, he should place his hand on the hilt
and say that "Such insults are not taken lightly." Remember, kiddies, "an
armed society is a polite society!"

Too bad that last has never worked in today's society or in Shadowrun. The
more heavily armed a nation, it seems, the less polite they become.
Message no. 75
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 00:18:01 -0500 (EST)
>>Let me get this straight. You've never seen Jean Luc Picard go up to the
>>replicator and say "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot."?
>
>What's a Jean Luc Picard??? And What the frag! is a replicator??? Is
>this a new invention from Ares or something. And if Tea, is supposedly
>a British/English thing, and Jean Luc Picard looks like a French name,
>does this mean "tea" originated from France, or that Earl Grey is
>specifically a french affectation, or is that how the French describe
>Tea. ???
>
I really think you want ShadowTK, dude... two lists down the hall, and on
the right...

If you aren't on it... Subscribe the same as you did for here, but insert
"shadowtk" instead of "shadowrn"... You may also want to try
"plotd" which
goes along with "shadowtk"...:)



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Message no. 76
From: "Loki" <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:54:02 -0700
<snip>
> |I wish someone would tell me what this blasted Tea stuff *is*. I've
> |been trying to get information on Britain/England - whatever you want to
> |call it regarding a run we're doing there, and everyone's talking about
> |*tea*. What the frag is this, is it some kind of toxic waste, and can
> |we import it to Seattle? :)
>
> Let me get this straight. You've never seen Jean Luc Picard go up to the
> replicator and say "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot."?

Actually I've got a tin of of Earl Grey on the shelf in our kitchen.
Friends brought it bck for me from Lloyd's or something. Not too bad, if
you add quite a bit fo cream and honey...

@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Message no. 77
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:28:32 +0100
Pete Sims said on 12:56/ 6 Oct 96...

> Dykes aren't necessarily the wonderful thing they're made out to be. I
> think FASA may have been influenced by the massive failure of the Bayou
> along the Mississippi (yes I know they're not the same, but similar
> enough for comparison).

Unless I've got it totally wrong, the flooding was thought up by those
Germans at FanPro, when they were writing the Germany sourcebook. My
long-standing theory is that they felt that wasting Germany alone wasn't
enough, so they also took in the surrounding countries (and now this story
about a new GS coming out that also includes stuff on Switzerland... what
will they do there? Blow up the Alps with a series of volcanic eruptions?)

> I can understand a small amount of flooding of the Netherlands, after
> all, this is a constant everyday threat and problem for the NL.

This is one of those "You live below sea level? Are you crazy?!" things,
isn't it? :) But you're right, after the storm described in the GS, it
would seem only natural that some parts of the country are flooded. But
definitely not half the place.

> Allowing for this, one must also take into account
> the massive advances in ocean defences that have been made by the NL,
> and then add a few years to it, this, to me anyway, indicates that the
> NL wouldn't go out without a huge battle against the oceans, and that
> they would have had a far more effective barrier in place at the time of
> the alleged flood. (I believe that the Netherlands are constantly
> upgrading and researching their system of barriers ?)

Over the past 40 years or so, yes. There was a report a few weeks ago
about how various places were too weak and all that, but if this is truly
the case I'm very sure they will be strengthened. The 2011 storm is 15
years from now, which is enough time to bring a lot up to strength.

> Save it, burn it, whatever you want to do. I did make this and another
> suggestion in NERPS, but got ignored, so I left and came back here. :(

When was this?

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Message no. 78
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:28:32 +0100
Pete Sims said on 16:07/ 6 Oct 96...

> Erm, I would hate to mention it at this time, but the original post came
> from a player in my game, pretending to be an American, visting England
> in 205*, she asked for informaton about England of this time.
> Unfortunately someone brought up the subject of tea, and she claimed
> ignorance and this long tea thing started. Said player has been slapped
> mercilessly. :)

I was starting to wonder if somebody had broken into your account :) And
it also goes some way toward explaining the huge number of mails you sent
out the past day or so... (And Kumquat claims I post a lot... :)

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Message no. 79
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:28:32 +0100
Pete Sims said on 12:18/ 6 Oct 96...

> But the advert *is* quite impressive :) There isn't one luminescent
> animal anywhere, and the countryside is *so* clean and green, and
> there's no sign of the nuclear reactor facitlity, which just goes to
> show how well they've melded it with the countryside :) :) :)

Or it just proves they went to the other side of the continent to film the
ad :)

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Message no. 80
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:15:28 +0000
On 6 Oct 96 at 10:52, Brennan M. O'Keefe wrote:
> Yeah, this has wandered WAAY off topic, but I once saw a letter to Miss
> Manners or some such, about a guy here in the States who liked to wear
> kilts. He was sick of having folks try to get a look, and was looking for a
> polite way to get them to stop. The columnist replied that he should wear
> full Scottish formal dress, including the traditional ceremonail dagger.
> Then, if anyone started to annoy him, he should place his hand on the hilt
> and say that "Such insults are not taken lightly." Remember, kiddies,
"an
> armed society is a polite society!"
Too bad this woun't work when you have to assume even kids might wear a gun
:-( Not too clever going with a better bread knife against a firearm...


Sascha
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Message no. 81
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:15:28 +0000
On 5 Oct 96 at 1:06, Blaze wrote:
[There is something strange with the header to the mail I'm quoting - or is
Blaze using Pete`s account?]
> Met a Welsh dragon once, Perr... Perry... well anyway, I met one.
> Don't think he likes me too much. :(
I didn't know Welsh people wear skirts, too...

> Why can't the Brits decide on a single name to describe their country
> then. I mean, you've got Africa, Germany, USA, Canada, but the British
> have to have three ways to describe one small set of islands the size of
> Texas. :), What strange people. :)
a) ask a Bavarian (Germany) where he's from, and you will not hear "Germany".
b) ask an American where he's from, and you'll not hear "America" or
"USA".
c) Well, for _Africa_ ... you didn't mean it, did you?
d) Ask a Quebec person where he's from, and odds are he's not saying "Canada".

Sascha
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Message no. 82
From: kumquat@*****.com
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:43:24 -0500
SH>No nitwit :) Staffordshire Bulls, huge prize winning four legged mean
SH>tempered cow stuffers. Not oversized two legged Troll types. :) I
SH>wouldn't boast too much about being born in Chicago, don't forget that's
SH>where *THEY* come from. Have you been experiencing any strange
SH>physiological or neurological symptons lately - I think probably - Yes.
SH>This would confirm that the recent events in Chicago have had a major
SH>influence on all life originating from there in recent times. It may be
SH>worth your while visiting our facilities in Aztechnology for a full
SH>medical investigation. There is a possibility that you are carrying the
SH>genes, or possibly some other form of biological construct that will
SH>release the chicago plague in other areas, also possibly affect your own
SH>physical and mental well being.

Hey! I live in Chicago!!! And it's done nothing of the sort to
me!!!! ....bzzz, bzzzz..... Ooooops.... <smirk>
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT BUG BEHIND THE KUMQUAT!!!!

Just My Two Pence.
The Bugquat.

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Message no. 83
From: The Jestyr <s421539@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 08:53:19 +1000 (EST)
> These terms are NOT synonymous despite it often being thought. Oh and by
> the way the best way to piss of a Scot (or the Welsh) is to call Great
> Britain, England.

The other guaranteed way to piss off the Welsh (I know, half my family's
Welsh) is call a Welshman a Pom. Don't. :)


Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 84
From: tkerby@***.net (Tim Kerby)
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 21:37:35 EDT
On Sun, 6 Oct 1996 15:14:29 +0100 (BST) A. Halliwell wrote:

>(Most of america seems to be one cultural amorphous blob....)

Try telling that to people from Kentucky....


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Message no. 85
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:32:06 +0100
In article <199610071029.MAA04701@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.nl> writes
>Pete Sims said on 16:07/ 6 Oct 96...
>
>> Erm, I would hate to mention it at this time, but the original post came
>> from a player in my game, pretending to be an American, visting England
>> in 205*, she asked for informaton about England of this time.
>> Unfortunately someone brought up the subject of tea, and she claimed
>> ignorance and this long tea thing started. Said player has been slapped
>> mercilessly. :)
>
>I was starting to wonder if somebody had broken into your account :) And
>it also goes some way toward explaining the huge number of mails you sent
>out the past day or so... (And Kumquat claims I post a lot... :)
>
Some of the posts were from me, and some from my player. I am in the
process of trying to set up the mailer to allow her to access the list
under her own sig and header, without subscribing twice.

I have however, been a tad more vociferous lately :) :(, I've been in
lurk mode for several months, and decided to avoid the *long and heated*
debates that were going on, and only recently decided to get *involved*
as it were. :)

Pete

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Message no. 86
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:29:35 +0100
In article <199610071029.MAA04678@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.nl> writes
>Pete Sims said on 12:56/ 6 Oct 96...
>
>> Dykes aren't necessarily the wonderful thing they're made out to be. I
>> think FASA may have been influenced by the massive failure of the Bayou
>> along the Mississippi (yes I know they're not the same, but similar
>> enough for comparison).
>
>Unless I've got it totally wrong, the flooding was thought up by those
>Germans at FanPro, when they were writing the Germany sourcebook. My
>long-standing theory is that they felt that wasting Germany alone wasn't
>enough, so they also took in the surrounding countries (and now this story
>about a new GS coming out that also includes stuff on Switzerland... what
>will they do there? Blow up the Alps with a series of volcanic eruptions?)

By the Germans huh?. OK that explains it (and before someone from
Germany jumps on top of me with a flamethrower - all my relations are
German, so I *know* what you guys are like :) )

As for Switzerland, seeing as so many countries have *so* much money
invested here, and there is the zurich orbital, I'm inclined to think
that they will deal favourably with Switzerland. :( After all, where
else can the big BTL dealers invest their ill-gotten games, and theirs
also the .... No I'd better stop there before I go into one of my *this
is how I see Europe rants * :)

>
>> I can understand a small amount of flooding of the Netherlands, after
>> all, this is a constant everyday threat and problem for the NL.
>
>This is one of those "You live below sea level? Are you crazy?!" things,
>isn't it? :) But you're right, after the storm described in the GS, it
>would seem only natural that some parts of the country are flooded. But
>definitely not half the place.
Nope, I live below sea level (well, actually almost level with it).
I agree, flooding half the country does strike me as a bit strange, it's
not as if we had a tsunami or something. :) and if half the Netherlands
flooded, then I'm afraid the same thing *must* have happened to London
(ala Split Second).

[snip]
>> the alleged flood. (I believe that the Netherlands are constantly
>> upgrading and researching their system of barriers ?)
>
>Over the past 40 years or so, yes. There was a report a few weeks ago
>about how various places were too weak and all that, but if this is truly
>the case I'm very sure they will be strengthened. The 2011 storm is 15
>years from now, which is enough time to bring a lot up to strength.
>
Also, you have the case where the NL has been reclaiming land and
building effective towns,industry and agriculture on this reclaimed
land, which seems to indicate there is a "considerable" experience in
this sort of thing. Therefore, there should be a *massive* reclamation
project going on, to reclaim what little would have been lost, the one
thing I've noticed about mankind, is that they don't just shrug their
shoulders, give up and move into the hills. The massive population of
the Mississippi basin is a good example of that, as is the coastal
population of India, where they put up with hurricanes, monssons and all
sorts of drek.

>> Save it, burn it, whatever you want to do. I did make this and another
>> suggestion in NERPS, but got ignored, so I left and came back here. :(
>
>When was this?
When you first asked for ideas about the new net book. I posted two
suggestions and didn't receive any feedback, so I took it that it wasn't
either interesting or suitable, or maybe a more experienced provider had
already suggested it, so I re-engaged the cloak and went back to
lurking. :)

Pete


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Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 87
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:18:53 +0100
In article <199610071029.MAA04676@**********.xs4all.nl>, Gurth
<gurth@******.nl> writes
>Pete Sims said on 12:18/ 6 Oct 96...
>
>> But the advert *is* quite impressive :) There isn't one luminescent
>> animal anywhere, and the countryside is *so* clean and green, and
>> there's no sign of the nuclear reactor facitlity, which just goes to
>> show how well they've melded it with the countryside :) :) :)
>
>Or it just proves they went to the other side of the continent to film the
>ad :)
>
Wherever it was they filmed it, it wasn't near the site, or for that
matter in England. I think they borrowed Ohio for the day :)

Pete
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Message no. 88
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:37:31 +0100
In article <m0vAGSf-0004weC@*******.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>, Sascha
Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> writes
>On 5 Oct 96 at 1:06, Blaze wrote:
>[There is something strange with the header to the mail I'm quoting - or is
>Blaze using Pete`s account?]

Yes Blaze is using Pete's account, it's a sort of compromise for the
player, as she can't afford her own account with an ISP (unemployed),
and all the toys that go with this, so she asked if she could use my
account. I said Yes, still not sure if that was a mistake or not. :)

>> Met a Welsh dragon once, Perr... Perry... well anyway, I met one.
>> Don't think he likes me too much. :(
>I didn't know Welsh people wear skirts, too...
>
Pardon, skirts?? Where'd you get that from ???

>> Why can't the Brits decide on a single name to describe their country
>> then. I mean, you've got Africa, Germany, USA, Canada, but the British
>> have to have three ways to describe one small set of islands the size of
>> Texas. :), What strange people. :)
>a) ask a Bavarian (Germany) where he's from, and you will not hear
"Germany".
>b) ask an American where he's from, and you'll not hear "America" or
"USA".
>c) Well, for _Africa_ ... you didn't mean it, did you?
>d) Ask a Quebec person where he's from, and odds are he's not saying
"Canada".
>
> Sascha
No, Sascha, the implication was not in personal preference as to
originating country/area (I know a couple of Bavarians, and when they
are told they come from Germany they get *real* upset "No we don't we
come from "BAVARIA!". - ducks under cover) :)
The observation was made as regards atlas/map descriptions, I have two
atlases and several maps of the UK, and each one has a different name
for the same place. I was just observing that it was a strange habit
that most countries have a *name* for their country, while the Brits
can't make up their mind. :)

Pete (and Blaze - yes they are seperate entities) :)

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being here now, we make that determination for ourselves, and it's neither.
Lt.Col.T.C.McQueen
Message no. 89
From: Pete Sims <petesims@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 05:21:50 +0100
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961008085235.23802C-100000@*****.student.gu.ed
u.au>, The Jestyr <s421539@*******.gu.edu.au> writes
>
>> These terms are NOT synonymous despite it often being thought. Oh and by
>> the way the best way to piss of a Scot (or the Welsh) is to call Great
>> Britain, England.
>
>The other guaranteed way to piss off the Welsh (I know, half my family's
>Welsh) is call a Welshman a Pom. Don't. :)
>
Seeing as you're posting from Oz, would that be a "Pom" as in "You pommy
bastards", or POM as in large fluffy object on top of woolly hats. The
only welsh people I've known (and I game with one) really *really* hate
being called "woolly backs", can't imagine why :)

Pete
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Message no. 90
From: The Jestyr <s421539@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:31:41 +1000 (EST)
> >The other guaranteed way to piss off the Welsh (I know, half my family's
> >Welsh) is call a Welshman a Pom. Don't. :)
> >
> Seeing as you're posting from Oz, would that be a "Pom" as in "You
pommy
> bastards", or POM as in large fluffy object on top of woolly hats. The
> only welsh people I've known (and I game with one) really *really* hate
> being called "woolly backs", can't imagine why :)

Pommy bastard. *grin* My mother and her side of the family are Welsh.
Oooooh, does she get vitriolic on the subject when called a Pom. I can't
think why you'd connect Pom as in Pom-Pom with the Australians, though...


(Ooooh... Joker, can Minx have some nice bright yellow pompoms to go on
her car as a hood ornament?)

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 91
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: London's Calling
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:58:47 +0100 (BST)
|Seeing as you're posting from Oz, would that be a "Pom" as in "You pommy
|bastards", or POM as in large fluffy object on top of woolly hats. The
|only welsh people I've known (and I game with one) really *really* hate
|being called "woolly backs", can't imagine why :)

ROTFL...
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