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Message no. 1
From: "P. Steele" <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: London Source Book
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 15:29:37 BST
Bought the London source book a few days ago and have been flicking through
since. I've got to admit that whoever wrote this certainly has a sense of
humor but it doesn't tend to tell you very much about real English people.
Stil, it can't all be perfect.

Anyhow I see NERPS are back (NERPS for endorphins) but one of the best in (ie
Americans won't get it) jokes is the description of the Renraku UK boss. Frank
Butcher, does not hold very much respect as he used to be a second hand car
dealer in the East End of London (he he). I love the part about the Lambeth
Containment Zone but the book seems inaccurate in several places. It paints
the North and in particular the North East as a dirty grimy area. That only
goes to show it was written by Southerners or by Americans who've been
listening to Southerners. The North East may have been an industrial heart
land and had the pollution to go with it 10 - 20 years ago but all that has
long since changed. Lets face it, Britain just can't compete in the heavy
manufacturing area any more.

What else, ah yes polliclubs. I'm certain one of the biggest ones would be
CAMRA (CAMpaign for Real Ale), this is virtually a policlub now except that it
has nothing to do with politics. But some intresting runs could be developed
from that as CAMRA would push pubs to keep genuine hand pulled ales with real
cask conditioned beers. Any pubs not complying would be fire bombed etc..
Of course this would only be the radical edge of CAMRA the majority of it's
members being made up of middle aged men.

The nobility I think is over done. Today the nobility don't have half as much
power as they used to 50 years ago and if anything that trend would continue.
Nowadays foreign ownership of English corps is much more likely. What power
the nobility did have would be concentrated between 5-10 major families with
direct family members (mainly father-son, but occasionaly uncles) wielding
that power. The rest of the 'nobility' would live the good life and just hold
general contempt for the working class that they have done for years anyway,
without interfereing.

Druids, nicely done but the level of secrecy is under emphasised. I suppose
this is so that the GM knows what is going on. But info about inner circles
and especially hidden circles would be very very hushed up and the GM should
not allow his players access to this part of the book (of course that is hard
to do if the players buy the book). The conservative downfall, well I suppose
it might happen but what the book didn't really emphasise is that the same
group of guys are still in power. The old conservatives would have seen the
tide turing against them and probably forged close links with the NDM very
early on with all but a few making the change so as to hang on to power. The
few real right wingers who rejected the NDM would have gone on to form the
Conservationist party. Any split between corporations and the NDM will only
occur where the corporation is mainly foreign owned and doesn't have old school
tie links to those high up in the NDM. Ie the NDM would have no power of the
corps.

Other stuff, alot of the pubs show modern names. This isn't that likely,
most English pubs got their names hundreds of years ago and they aren't likely
to change them. I don't think I saw one Rose and Crown or other traditional
British pub name when flicking through. The SAS and MI5, I find their merging
somewhat strange as alot of MI5 stuff is techno stuff, electronic surveilance
etc with most of it's members no more trained in firearms than your average
bod on the street. The SAS however is trained for combat and infiltration,
they tend to be a bit more active that MI5. I supose MI5 could have replaced
the role of Special Branch but I still feel that the SAS would be reserved for
more tactical work.

Oh well there's my opinions. Lets here some feedback, in the meantime I'll
read some more of the book.

Phill Steele
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Message no. 2
From: Eric Christopher Trager <etrager@***.GWU.EDU>
Subject: London Sourcebook
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 12:32:37 -0500
In my campaign, the PCs and three different corporations are chasing a
renegade computer scientist holding developments potentially worth billions of
nuyen. One thought was to have him wind up somewhere in the U.K...

Is the London Sourcebook worth its price (as far as usefulness is
concerned), or should I simply wing it?

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Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:48:32 -0700
For the mere cost of a Thaum, Dallandra wrote:
/
/ Dallandra (God Save the Queen... I mean it, maaaan!!) read...
/
/ > Now to produce the likes of Sarah Furgesson and Prince Charles, that
/ > requires breeding. Though why the British Monarchy would breed for
/ > such results is beyond me.
/
/ Sarah
/ Ferguson married into the monarchy, believe me, she has NO breeding.
/ Mind you, she seems to go down well in America.....

You realize of course that that's a horible joke :) Let's pray that
Clinton doesn't find out about this ;)

/ Actually, this leads me onto a question - I know there was an England
/ sourcebook out there a while ago... does anyone have a copy for sale
/ or know where I can find the information??

You must be thinking of the London Sourcebook. From what other UK
citizens have said, the book isn't very good and has some very
improbably events in it's history of the UK after the Awakening. Being
a US citizen with little real knowledge of the UK I found it to be
interesting and useful.

Tir Na Og covers Ireland and also has a bit of information on the UK.

-David B.
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Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:51:52 -0700
For the mere cost of a Thaum, Patrick Goodman wrote:
/
/ From: Dallandra
/ Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 8:34 AM
/
/ >Actually, this leads me onto a question - I know there was an England
/ >sourcebook out there a while ago... does anyone have a copy for sale
/ >or know where I can find the information??
/
/ I think the LONDON SOURCEBOOK is still available on FASA's home page.

Nope, afraid not. It isn't even listed as "out of stock".

-David B.
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Message no. 5
From: A Halliwell <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:52 +0000
And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
|Nope, afraid not. It isn't even listed as "out of stock".

Isn't that 'cos it's been OOP for a very long time?
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Message no. 6
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:15:32 -0700
For the mere cost of a Thaum, A Halliwell wrote:
/
/ And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
/ |Nope, afraid not. It isn't even listed as "out of stock".
/
/ Isn't that 'cos it's been OOP for a very long time?

Oddly enough they have a few products listed (like Paradise Lost) which
are listed as "out of stock." I don't see the point in listing a
product that isn't available for sale, and won't be because it's OOP.

But hey, if FASA was perfect we wouldn't have anything to bitch about :)

-David B.
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Message no. 7
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:33:16 -0600
From: David Buehrer
Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:52 AM

>/ I think the LONDON SOURCEBOOK is still available on FASA's home page.
>
>Nope, afraid not. It isn't even listed as "out of stock".

I'm fairly certain I saw a couple of copies in COAS Bookstore in New
Mexico. You (or Dallandra) could email them at coas@******.com to find
out.

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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:23:13 +0100
According to David Buehrer, at 11:15 on 25 Jan 99, the word on
the street was...

> Oddly enough they have a few products listed (like Paradise Lost) which
> are listed as "out of stock." I don't see the point in listing a
> product that isn't available for sale, and won't be because it's OOP.

Maybe they've still got a few left, but not enough to call it "in stock"?
I noticed last year at GenCon that FASA was selling old books for $5 each,
including Renegade Legion stuff, which has been OOP for over 5 years.
Maybe that's what this "out of stock" notation means?

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Message no. 9
From: Scott W <see_scott_run@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:02:05 -0800
>> According to David Buehrer:
>> Oddly enough they have a few products listed (like
>> Paradise Lost) which are listed as "out of stock."
>> I don't see the point in listing a product that
>> isn't available for sale, and won't be because it's
>> OOP.
>
> Maybe they've still got a few left, but not enough
> to call it "in stock"? I noticed last year at GenCon
> that FASA was selling old books for $5 each,
> including Renegade Legion stuff, which has been OOP
> for over 5 years. Maybe that's what this "out of
> stock" notation means?

I e-mailed FASA a while ago about the Corporate Shadowfiles book. I
was confused, because while I
knew it was unavailable from distributors, it was
listed as "In Print" on the FASA product list. So I
asked them what was right...they wrote back and said
(and keep in mind I am quoting from a notoriously bad
memory) that while the book wasn't printing, they did
have some copies left at FASA, just not enough to
ship. They told me to look around, 'cause there
wasn't any way to buy it from them (I didn't find it.
Anyone got a spare copy? :)

In any case, they might have small quantities left,
or they might have screwed up the web-page, or they
might mean something totally different...hard to tell.

Scott (who knows this only muddied the waters)
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Message no. 10
From: Dallandra <bz701@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:30:50 GMT
Dallandra read...

> I e-mailed FASA a while ago about the Corporate Shadowfiles book. I
<snip>

I have this book. If you're after anything in particular from it I
could get the details for you.

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Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: London Sourcebook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:03:46 +0100
According to Scott W, at 3:02 on 26 Jan 99, the word on
the street was...

> > Maybe they've still got a few left, but not enough
> > to call it "in stock"? I noticed last year at GenCon
> > that FASA was selling old books for $5 each,
> > including Renegade Legion stuff, which has been OOP
> > for over 5 years. Maybe that's what this "out of
> > stock" notation means?
>
> I e-mailed FASA a while ago about the Corporate Shadowfiles book. I
> was confused, because while I knew it was unavailable from distributors,
> it was listed as "In Print" on the FASA product list. So I asked them
> what was right...they wrote back and said (and keep in mind I am quoting
> from a notoriously bad memory) that while the book wasn't printing, they
> did have some copies left at FASA, just not enough to ship. They told me
> to look around, 'cause there wasn't any way to buy it from them

This fits with my theory (above, intentionally left in this reply),
because IIRC there were some Corporate Shadowfiles books in that $5-per-
item box.

> (I didn't find it. Anyone got a spare copy? :)

Nope, sorry :)

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