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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:51:43 -0700
Spike wrote:
/
/ Is it me?
/ Or is the list being rather quiet at the moment?

Well, it's Monday. In the US we're getting ready for Thanksgiving (a
fairly major holiday). And I think the magic debates are finally
dying out :)

Here's a quesion (and I know it's been asked before, but I can't
remember what the prevailing opinion was).

If a shaman summons a spirit within the arctic circle during the long
night, or the long day (during the middle of winter or summer when
the sun doesn't rise or set for about a month) will the spirit be
around for 12 hours, or until the sun rises/sets?

-David
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Message no. 2
From: Tony Rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:16:58 -0600
On 11/24/97 11:51:43 you wrote:
>
>Spike wrote:
>/
>
>If a shaman summons a spirit within the arctic circle during the long
>night, or the long day (during the middle of winter or summer when
>the sun doesn't rise or set for about a month) will the spirit be
>around for 12 hours, or until the sun rises/sets?
>
Hmmmm....I'd give it to him for the full month. I figure if he has screwed up badly
enough to be
trapped in that locale for that long, he'll need all the help he can get! (grin) Besides,
there
are still the location specific spirit end of things that will need to be addressed.

Argent

Rabiola@**.netcom.com
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It was hot, the night we burned Chrome...
Message no. 3
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:27:02 -0000
>If a shaman summons a spirit within the arctic circle during the long
>night, or the long day (during the middle of winter or summer when
>the sun doesn't rise or set for about a month) will the spirit be
>around for 12 hours, or until the sun rises/sets?


Well, i guess you could say the same thing for traveling around the world
with the little critter(or ordering it to do so it's self in the astral so
you got a time of use from it each day). If the sun never sets, then he
dosen't go. That'd be a never ending spirit.

I THINK NOT!!!!!

However. If you think of the astral as linked to nature(they are mature
spirits, after all), you have tides and changes as the day goes on. Even in
the Artic you have those. So... They would leave as the tide changes, the
different animals come out, whatever! But as nature decides day is over,
it's over.

Thats my view.

Ps. Just cos' theres low levels of light doesn't mean theres no days and
nights. They're just real... well, real the same. ; - )

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:07:49 +0100
David Buehrer said on 11:51/24 Nov 97...

> Well, it's Monday. In the US we're getting ready for Thanksgiving (a
> fairly major holiday).

So that's why tonight's episode of The Simpsons on BBC was about
thanksgiving...

> Here's a quesion (and I know it's been asked before, but I can't
> remember what the prevailing opinion was).

I can't either, and I thought Awakenings gave an answer but I can't find
it right now :/

> If a shaman summons a spirit within the arctic circle during the long
> night, or the long day (during the middle of winter or summer when
> the sun doesn't rise or set for about a month) will the spirit be
> around for 12 hours, or until the sun rises/sets?

You can go two ways with this. The first is to say that only when the sun
actually goes over or under the horizon does the spirit go away, the other
is to reason that, since the sun goes up and down in the sky during the
arctic summer, the spirit will leave when the sun is halfway between its
highest and lowest points.

I don't know, I'd just make it up as I go along when something like this
is important. The easiest way is to make the spirit run out of services
before the question becomes important ;)

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Message no. 5
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:06:58 -0700
Gurth wrote:
/
/ David Buehrer said on 11:51/24 Nov 97...
/
/ > If a shaman summons a spirit within the arctic circle during the long
/ > night, or the long day (during the middle of winter or summer when
/ > the sun doesn't rise or set for about a month) will the spirit be
/ > around for 12 hours, or until the sun rises/sets?
/
[snip]
/
/ I don't know, I'd just make it up as I go along when something like this
/ is important. The easiest way is to make the spirit run out of services
/ before the question becomes important ;)

And then have the spirit hang around, counting against the shaman's
total number of spirits, and making a nuisance of himself until the
sun rises/sets :)

-David
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which ones to keep."
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Message no. 6
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:39:24 -0000
Will the new shadowrun mortury's first entry be the old mortuary?
Message no. 7
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Fw: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:23:27 -0000
-----Original Message-----
From: William Gallas <wgallas@*****.fr>
To: Simon.M <Lucifer@**********.com>
Date: 25 November 1997 07:53
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)


>>>If a shaman summons a spirit within the arctic circle during the long
>>>night, or the long day (during the middle of winter or summer when
>>>the sun doesn't rise or set for about a month) will the spirit be
>>>around for 12 hours, or until the sun rises/sets?
>
>Do I dream or did we discuss about it some 2 or 3 years ago ?
>
> Cobra.
>
> E-mail adress : wgallas@*****.fr
> Quote : "You are who you know"
>
Message no. 8
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Fw: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:23:16 -0000
>And verily, did Simon.M hastily scribble thusly...
>|"Women, children and cowards first!"
>|-Rincewind, Disc's worst mage(but still a mage!), most of the books he was
>|in.
>|
>
>Most? Rincewind has been and will always be a wizard.
>(You can tell 'cos of the way death keeps trying to nab him....)
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Message no. 9
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Fw: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:22:39 -0000
>>Well, i guess you could say the same thing for traveling around the >world
>>with the little critter(or ordering it to do so it's self in the astral so
>>you got a time of use from it each day). If the sun never sets, then he
>>dosen't go. That'd be a never ending spirit.
>
>>I THINK NOT!!!!!
>
>Why? Game balance?
>
>>However. If you think of the astral as linked to nature(they are mature
>>spirits, after all), you have tides and changes as the day goes on. Even
>>in.
>
>While at the same time SR has often actually done their homework before
>saying this magical tradition did this, that did that, blah blah
>blah...granted they do generalise alot, but the actual point of sunrise or
>sunset is considered the most magical time for most of the cultures
>believing in spirits. Midnight is only the 'Witching hour' to eurocentric
>religious thinking. If the sun never goes below the horizon, the gateway
>doesn't open in that particular location...the same if it never comes above
>the horizon....Of course this does mean the pc could actually summon the 2
>minute spirit if they got it just as the sun peeked up then dropped down.
> This is a new mailer and I think I have all the settings correct for
>it...If it does send crap let me apologize to everyone ahead of time.
>
> JR
>
>

sorry, could someone tell me how to get my damn mail to work?
Message no. 10
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:27:44 -0500
In a message dated 97-11-24 20:37:20 EST, Simon.M@**********.com writes:

>
> However. If you think of the astral as linked to nature(they are mature
> spirits, after all), you have tides and changes as the day goes on. Even
in
> the Artic you have those. So... They would leave as the tide changes, the
> different animals come out, whatever! But as nature decides day is over,
> it's over.
>
> Thats my view.

And a what a good view it is except for one thing. (Ant)Arctic Tides
function differently with a greater impact on the Seasons of the year in
accord to the hemisphere in question. Arctic Summer has greater tidal
digressions than Artic Winter. I'm not saying they go away, but they do
differ in intensity.

> Ps. Just cos' theres low levels of light doesn't mean theres no days and
> nights. They're just real... well, real the same. ; - )

Really, LONG, Really annoyingly, the same at that 8-}

-K
Message no. 11
From: "Simon.M" <Simon.M@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:27:55 -0000
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Keith Henry <Ereskanti@***.COM>
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: 25 November 1997 16:34
Subject: Re: Long Night (was Is it me....)


>In a message dated 97-11-24 20:37:20 EST, Simon.M@**********.com writes:
>

<SNIP>

(Ant)Arctic Tides
>function differently with a greater impact on the Seasons of the year in
>accord to the hemisphere in question. Arctic Summer has greater tidal
>digressions than Artic Winter. I'm not saying they go away, but they do
>differ in intensity.

I was thinking more along the lines that they just happen, not intensity.
HAY!
Maybe for a few days/whatever all nature would stand still up there...

Interesting one...

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