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Message no. 1
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:57:08 -0400
Once again it has fallen on me to torture and abuse one of my players
through his PC's personal life.
And as a surprise, it's NOT Bull for a change! ;-)

Mr. White is getting married to the daughter of an important mafia capo.
I have every intention of making this wedding an extremely ... "challenging"
... game session. ;-) <EGMGrin>

What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian Catholic
Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.

Obviously the place will be crawling with torpedos packing heat, and just as
obviously there will be the traditional little old guy in the corner that
has everyone kissing his rings.

Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.

Steven A. Tinner
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Message no. 2
From: "RazorGirl ." <chumlikin@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:13:42 PDT
>What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian
Catholic
>Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.
>
>Obviously the place will be crawling with torpedos packing heat, and
just as
>obviously there will be the traditional little old guy in the corner
that
>has everyone kissing his rings.
>
>Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
>Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.

I don't know about the wedding part, but play up the heat in the New
Orleans setting. Have it set in a old Cathedral where the air
conditioning ins broken down. Have all the torpedos sweating in their
shark skin suit. Their lack of breeding and paitence will soon have
tempers flaring. Torn between constant irratation and fear of pissing of
the don would make for one tension filled wedding.

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Message no. 3
From: Iridios <iridios@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:20:54 -0400
RazorGirl . wrote:
>
> >What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian
> Catholic
> >Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.
> >
> >Obviously the place will be crawling with torpedos packing heat, and
> just as
> >obviously there will be the traditional little old guy in the corner
> that
> >has everyone kissing his rings.
> >
> >Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
> >Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.
>
> I don't know about the wedding part, but play up the heat in the New
> Orleans setting. Have it set in a old Cathedral where the air
> conditioning ins broken down. Have all the torpedos sweating in their
> shark skin suit. Their lack of breeding and paitence will soon have
> tempers flaring. Torn between constant irratation and fear of pissing of
> the don would make for one tension filled wedding.

Also, if the Capo is attending, then the Wedding Mass (yes there is a
formal mass for weddings, about 2 1/2 hours the last time I attended
one) should be performed by someone higher up in the Catholic
heirarchy. Maybe a well known Bishop, or a Cardinal from Italy
(Vatican City). Of course, having a wedding performed by such might
draw in the local media.

And in New Orleans, the reception (not the wedding) would probably
have some heavy Voudoun (sp?) flavor thrown in for good measure.


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Message no. 4
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:31:03 -0400
Once upon a time, Iridios wrote;

>And in New Orleans, the reception (not the wedding) would probably
>have some heavy Voudoun (sp?) flavor thrown in for good measure.

La Cosa Nostra dealing in Voudoun? Think again.

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Message no. 5
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:40:57 -0400
At 02:31 AM 8/19/98 -0400, MC23 wrote these timeless words:
>Once upon a time, Iridios wrote;
>
>>And in New Orleans, the reception (not the wedding) would probably
>>have some heavy Voudoun (sp?) flavor thrown in for good measure.
>
>La Cosa Nostra dealing in Voudoun? Think again.
>
Well, not them, but plenty of other things in New Orleans would deal with
Voodoo... And no one said the Mafia would be the only things there...

Actually, I think Mr. White had better watch out for his "friends" more
than anything else... Bull's still a bit miffed about Johnny 99 "Dying" :]

Bull
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Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:49:56 -0500
On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:57:08 -0400 "Steven A. Tinner"
<bluewizard@*****.COM> writes:
>Once again it has fallen on me to torture and abuse one of my players
>through his PC's personal life.
>And as a surprise, it's NOT Bull for a change! ;-)
>
>Mr. White is getting married to the daughter of an important mafia capo.
>I have every intention of making this wedding an extremely ...
"challenging"
>... game session. ;-) <EGMGrin>
>
>What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian
Catholic
>Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.

Cool. I just finished reading the Mafia section in the Underworld SB (It
was written by Steve Kenson so maybe you should drop him a line?) ... If
you haven't read it you might check it out. (If you can ... Most likely
though, you haven't read it since in the SB, New Orleans is run by a Capa
not a Capo.) It's a good book. (If you ignore Baxa's art ...)

>Obviously the place will be crawling with torpedos packing heat, and
just as
>obviously there will be the traditional little old guy in the corner
that
>has everyone kissing his rings.
>
>Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
>Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.
>
>Steven A. Tinner
<SNIP Sig>

Okay, Expect a BIG family turnout and also, the church for the ceremonies
will probably be THE biggiest most upscale yet traditional church they
can swing ... Also, Mr. White will probably be expected to recognize the
Dons (he better recognize the Capo of course!) and remember a few details
about them (Wife and kids type stuff). He may also need to recognize the
Sottocapo, Consiglieri, and Caporegiemes but tthat is less likely.
Ettiquette would have to be fairly strictly minded, I think, but then
again ettiquette is always strictly minded. :) If he was just introduced
into the Mafia, he may have someone assisting him. (Think Smithers for
Mr. Burns in the Simpsons) Think before hand about how many how many
out-of-town families (If any out-of-towners come in Mr. White will
probably have to know at least the Capos on sight.) are going to be
attending and what their relationships are between each other and Mr.
White's soon-to-be family. Also, How many Dons are in each family and
how THEY relate to each other. (Mr. White will probably have to know
what the relationships are and may have to do some political schmoozing.)
And don't forget ... don't talk about the Family Business. ;)

That's all I can think of for now ... hope it helps. :)

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Message no. 7
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:57:46 -0500
On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:40:57 -0400 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>At 02:31 AM 8/19/98 -0400, MC23 wrote these timeless words:
>>Once upon a time, Iridios wrote;

>>>And in New Orleans, the reception (not the wedding) would probably
>>>have some heavy Voudoun (sp?) flavor thrown in for good measure.

>>La Cosa Nostra dealing in Voudoun? Think again.

>Well, not them, but plenty of other things in New Orleans would deal
with
>Voodoo... And no one said the Mafia would be the only things there...

I thought I read somewhere in the Underworld SB that one Don DID use
Voundoun but I can't find anything on it ... Maybe it was the Yaks or
smoething in the Indepdents secton that I scanned? (I scanned the book
but I've only READ up to the middle of the yak section ...)

>Actually, I think Mr. White had better watch out for his "friends" more
>than anything else... Bull's still a bit miffed about Johnny 99 "Dying"
:]
>
>Bull
<SNIP Sig>

Is "The Cuddliest Ork Decker" gonna pull a hit during a Mafia wedding?
This should be interesting ... :)

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 8
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:10:57 -0400
At 01:57 AM 8/19/98 -0500, Alfredo B Alves wrote these timeless words:

>>Actually, I think Mr. White had better watch out for his "friends" more
>>than anything else... Bull's still a bit miffed about Johnny 99 "Dying"
>:]
>>
>>Bull
><SNIP Sig>
>
>Is "The Cuddliest Ork Decker" gonna pull a hit during a Mafia wedding?
>This should be interesting ... :)
>
<laugh>

Who, Bull? And ruin his "cuddly" reputation?

Nahh... The Best Ork Decker You've Ever Met is doing what he does best...

Think about the havoc a top notch decker can do to a man, and more
importantly, his personal and financial life, and his reputation?

NEVER piss off a decker... Any other "archetype" can kill you... A Decker
will make you miserable for the rest of your life...

Bull
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Message no. 9
From: XaOs <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:25:56 -0500
> I don't know about the wedding part, but play up the heat in the New
> Orleans setting. Have it set in a old Cathedral where the air
> conditioning ins broken down.

This is actually pretty close to my prior experiences in Catholic weddings
within the past decade or two.

-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
Message no. 10
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:12:50 EDT
In a message dated 8/18/98 9:33:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bluewizard@*****.COM writes:

> Once again it has fallen on me to torture and abuse one of my players
> through his PC's personal life.
> And as a surprise, it's NOT Bull for a change! ;-)
>
> Mr. White is getting married to the daughter of an important mafia capo.
> I have every intention of making this wedding an extremely ...
"challenging"
> ... game session. ;-) <EGMGrin>
>
> What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian Catholic
> Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.
>
> Obviously the place will be crawling with torpedos packing heat, and just
as
> obviously there will be the traditional little old guy in the corner that
> has everyone kissing his rings.
>
> Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
> Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.

Okay, if this wedding is going to be held in almost an Italian style wedding
... here goes ...

First, only close family and friends are allowed inside the church (usually a
local one) ...

Afterwards the bride and groom go off to some scenic spot where they have a
photographer takes a boat load of pictures.

In the mean time, everyone else at the wedding has left the church and is
headed for the reception at some restaurant.

No one starts eating until about 20 minutes after the bride and groom get to
the reception. Then the food is brought forth.

After about 4 or 5 different dishes are brought out for everybody (appetizer,
pasta, meat with vegetable dish, salad, and desert), and at the end of the
meal an apperitivo (after dinner drink) is served.

It is at this time that the fathers give some little speech or something, then
comes the best man who (sometimes) roasts the groom.

After this little speech thingy, the bride and groom head for another room
where they change out of their wedding clothes into the clothes they will be
wearing to start their honeymoon.

After this is done, the guests begin to line up to congratulate the bride and
groom. At the same time, the bride and groom hand out little gift sets to
each person. At the last wedding I was at in Italy, the gift consisted of a
small bag containing sweets (frosted almonds), but for the adults, something
bigger was given (but still something which can be carried easily in the
hand). This is also the time when people give their presents to the bride and
groom also.

This is what I remember basically of the four Italian weddings I went to, and
they were all marathoners ... with the shortest one lasting a total of 6
hours, and the longest 10 hours.

-Herc
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Message no. 11
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:38:21 -0400
At 08:57 PM 8/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
>Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.

I was almost the guest of honor at a Catholic wedding, but I managed to
dodge the bullet:)

Anyway, as someone else pointed out, it'll be long! 2-3 hours with Mass,
depending on how over the top they go. With a Don, way over the top. Get
ready for Catholiic calestenics. Lots of up down, up down. Hard to keep the
holster from swinging around, not to mention doing that in the heat. Maybe
call for hourly Body checks for heat prostration?

Its probably at an old church, so you'll have a nice aspected background
count, maybe a 1 or even 2 if its been there for hundreds of years. And if
any of the priests at the church are magically active, they'll be much
better at using it than anyone else. Also, the pews will probably be good
solid wood like oak or something. Good barrir ratings and lots of cover all
over if things get nasty.

I'm not sure about Italian catholics, but I know that Mexican catholics
make it a long party. Wedding at 3:00, reception at 7:00, post-reception
party at 2:00, private family party at 4:00. Don't let the groom get to
sleep until the next day, while he's on his way to the honeymoon.


Sommers, Confirmation #23263
"Hey, this is better than actually getting some work done."
Message no. 12
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:05:42 -0500
On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Steven A. Tinner wrote:

> Once again it has fallen on me to torture and abuse one of my players
> through his PC's personal life. And as a surprise, it's NOT Bull for a
> change! ;-)

Who are you and what did you do to Tinner? :)

> Mr. White is getting married to the daughter of an important mafia capo.
> I have every intention of making this wedding an extremely ...
> "challenging" ... game session. ;-) <EGMGrin>

OH MY! I really would have like to have seen the roleplaying that lead up
to this engagement. Is it a willing wedding or is Mr. White being forced
into it?

> What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian
> Catholic Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans. Feel free to let your
> imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a Catholic wedding, and
> have NO idea what to expect.

Hmm lots of good ideas already on the list. Lets see if i can come up with
any new ones. I would suggest attempting to get your hands on the
handbook/guidbook with the full text of the Traditional Wedding Mass in
either Latin or Italian. That way you can actualy read through important
Chunks of the text during gameplay to get the players in the correct "boy
am i bored and i dont understand a WORD of this crap" mood right before
you spring any suprises on them. :) You might also want to find a tape of
the appropriate music for the mass to play as background music to the
sesion.

Has Mr White had any "not appropriate" moments with any OTHER
females in his life? (To steal a line from clinton) What if one of them
showed up at the wedding and decided to have her say at the "Does anyone
know why these two should not be together" line in the ceramony? Or a past
boyfreind of the bride doing something similar? Im sure that would make
the Capo REAL happy!

Ya know Tinner, I have to thank you for letting us help torture
your players. Its a lot of fun and we are far enough away that they can
hit us over the head with their hardbacks. :)

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 13
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:03:26 -0400
> Once again it has fallen on me to torture and abuse one of my players
> through his PC's personal life.
> And as a surprise, it's NOT Bull for a change! ;-)
>
> Mr. White is getting married to the daughter of an important mafia
> capo.
> I have every intention of making this wedding an extremely ...
> "challenging"
> ... game session. ;-) <EGMGrin>
>
> What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian
> Catholic
> Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.
>
> Obviously the place will be crawling with torpedos packing heat, and
> just as
> obviously there will be the traditional little old guy in the corner
> that
> has everyone kissing his rings.
>
> Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
> Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.
>
For a couple of pointers check out "Goodfellas". Ray
Liotta's character gets married in there. Big mafia style. There may be
one in one of the Godfather movies but I can't be sure.

In addition to the marathon length and high temps
getting to everyone (New Orleans is friggin hot and humid), the
reception may well be loaded with drink. I'm not sure how much variance
there is from nationality to nationality, but my family is Irish
Catholic (which added to the problem) and the receptions at ANY family
event are usually heavily loaded with food and booze. Most folk are
pretty good but there's always the chance that uncle Louie will chug one
too many and start pissing off one of the leuitennants (again with
Goodfellas thin Joe Pesci). Endless fun for all...
Message no. 14
From: Kevin Langevin <kevinl@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:12:39 -0400
> > What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian
> > Catholic
> > Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.

I think that there's a live audience participation play that is basically an
Italian wedding. I'm not sure where it usually plays (I think it's based in
Boston), but you can probably get a video tape of it...Anyone know the
actual name of the play? It escapes me.

-Kev
Message no. 15
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:31:26 -0500
> For a couple of pointers check out "Goodfellas". Ray
>Liotta's character gets married in there. Big mafia style. There may be
>one in one of the Godfather movies but I can't be sure.

Michael gets married in the first one, while a great deal of carnage
ensues; la Cosa Nostra uses these ceremonies sometimes as something
other than just a big family get-together....
Message no. 16
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:35:45 -0400
On 19 Aug 98, at 11:03, bryan.covington@****.COM wrote:

> > Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
> > Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.
> >
> For a couple of pointers check out "Goodfellas". Ray
> Liotta's character gets married in there. Big mafia style. There may be
> one in one of the Godfather movies but I can't be sure.

Yep. Exactly what I was going to suggest. And yes, there is a wedding
in the first Godfather movie.

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Message no. 17
From: Mike Elkins <Mike_Elkins@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:10:43 -0400
Well, I having been to a big Italian-American wedding just 2 months ago,
here are my tips:

Like others have said, think BIG. No expense spared. This poor girl had
300 people, gave each of them a gift (probably about $30-$50 worth each)
plus a catered reception that must have been at least $100 a plate, and
she's the fifth daughter of a couple who run a pizza joint (well, I think
thats all they do ;) For someone as connected as your bride think 500
nuyen gifts to each attendee (who, of course are expected to give much
bigger gifts to the couple), at least 500 nuyen a plate catering, 5 to 6
hundred guests, several bands/orchestras/string quartets playing the
recption (in different rooms), wedding gifts to the couple that include
cars and houses, 3 photographers, the cake baker flown in from Italy, 8
bridesmaids, 8 groomsmen (or more!). Actually, in this situation, I'd
think the photographers might have to be real careful about the shots they
take...

If a former "good friend" of the bride or groom showed up and even started
to open their mouth at the "does anyone have any reason this marrage should
not happen" part, several muscular friends of the family would probably
escort them outside and teach them not to try to embarrass a member of THIS
family.

It's very likely the New Orleans chief of police would be invited and, in
fact, in attendance.

The couple would receive congratulatory telegrams from all sorts of
important people (and/or other sentient beings :).

Nobody would talk about business, at least until after the
honeymoon--unless, of course, an exceptional situation were to arise. ;)

Double-Domed Mike
BABY confirmation number 23288!!! Yeah!
Message no. 18
From: Mike Elkins <Mike_Elkins@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:11:15 -0400
>I think that there's a live audience participation play that is basically
an
>Italian wedding. I'm not sure where it usually plays (I think it's based
in
>Boston), but you can probably get a video tape of it...Anyone know the
>actual name of the play? It escapes me.
>

Tony and Tina's Wedding

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 19
From: John Vots <jvots@**.KO.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:31:34 -0400
Well, it's long. Really long. If you do the whole Wedding Mass (which most
Catholics don't) it can be over an Hour long. The shorter version id
between 25 and 40 minutes depending on the priest what he has to say.

Now since it is a Mafia Wedding I would think that there would be a full
Wedding Mass. So the ceremony is going to be long and mostly meaningless to
non-Catholics.
The sounds will be your traditional wedding sounds, with one Major
exception, the wedding march is not played until after the ceremony.
Definetly not when the Bride comes down the Aisle. Afterwards think PARTY,
the larger and more Grand the better. Whatever the currrent style is, it
will be there. There may even be a Major artist performing live.
Irregardless, there will be a large musical ensamble for general background
noise. It will be a great place to pick up good rumor and gossip about the
underworld and politics. Many of the major players for both will be there.
Booze and lots of it, remember if God had prohibited Alcohol, Ireland
would'nt be Catholic (and neither would Italy). Before the Wedding a crying
fit by the bride would'nt hurt either, maybe her mother or father said
something to upset her, it does not take much to upset them at that time.

Now onto the juicy stuff, have someone try a hit at the Wedding, not on the
Don, but on a Lieutenant of his. Maybe the Don ordered it. Or a scorned
sister trying to ruin the wedding. Le's see what else, maybe it rains on
the wedding day or the Bride and Groom see each other before the ceremony.
The best man looses the Wedding Ring, the florist is late, the Best Man
looses the Priest's "Gift". Ummm, the Priest is drunk before the ceremony
(this bodes poorly for the Health of the Priest). The Brides father has a
heart attack in the middle of the ceremony, but before they are pronounced
Man and Wife.

Anyway there is my take on it.

Jester

Oh yeah, maybe the Bride does not show up. That would go over real well.
Message no. 20
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:58:59 -0400
At 08:57 PM 8/18/98 -0400, you wrote:

>What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian Catholic
>Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.

Well, I'm a mite surprised that no one has suggested that you rent "the
Godfather" again. Hell, rent the entire trilogy even. But the first one,
and the best one by the way, does feature a Mafia wedding/reception. That
alone should give you good ideas on how to run this story.

I like someone else's idea to crank up the temperature; that would raise
the tension level more than just a bit. Alfredo Alves also had some
excellent ideas; reread his post on the subject.

Also, the chief mobster in New Orleans is a woman. I don't think she's a
capa, I think it's a higher level on the chain of command. What would you
call a female Don?

And as I recall, she is on good terms with various voudoun Carib League
folks; it's supposedly part of the reason she's so feared. She deals with
magic, metas and voudoun, stuff the old stodgy Dons won't touch. But using
them, she's got a pretty tight hold over New Orleans.

Of course, for the full out affect, you'd have the soundtrack to "the
Godfather" playing in the background...that theme song just screams La Cosa
Nostra.

Sounds interesting...

Erik J.
Message no. 21
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:16:44 -0400
On 19 Aug 98, at 12:10, Mike Elkins wrote:

> bridesmaids, 8 groomsmen (or more!). Actually, in this situation, I'd
> think the photographers might have to be real careful about the shots they
> take...

Exactly, just like a scene in Godfather where they manhandle a
photographer and smash his camera. Also liked the scene where the
Feds were walking in the parking lot taking notes about the cars and
the license plates. Definitely have to have the Feds at that wedding,
Tinner.

> It's very likely the New Orleans chief of police would be invited and, in
> fact, in attendance.

Of course, since he's probably on the payroll... :)

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Message no. 22
From: Bai Shen <baishen@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:52:07 -0400
> Nahh... The Best Ork Decker You've Ever Met is doing what he does best...
> Think about the havoc a top notch decker can do to a man, and more
> importantly, his personal and financial life, and his reputation?
> NEVER piss off a decker... Any other "archetype" can kill you... A Decker
> will make you miserable for the rest of your life...

-chuckle- How true.-grin- But don't forget, Deckers can kill as well
as any other.
--
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Message no. 23
From: AlSeyMer <AdSM@******.BE>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:57:33 +0200
John Vots wrote:
> =

> Well, it's long. Really long. If you do the whole Wedding Mass (which m=
ost
> Catholics don't) it can be over an Hour long. The shorter version id
> between 25 and 40 minutes depending on the priest what he has to say.
> =


IIRC, the full ceremony should be considered only if the fiancés are bo=
th
catholics. The short ceremony is required if one of them is not.
However, the priest may lengthen his preach, and will usually do when the=

engaged couple is from a high social level, not to disappoint his "regula=
rs",
and to take the chance to make new converts.
There is even a shorter ceremony when none of the fiancés are catholics=
.

AlSeyMer
Message no. 24
From: Owen Landgren <wodin@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:51:12 -0700
Erik Jameson wrote:
> =

> At 08:57 PM 8/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
> =

> >What I need from you are ideas for sights and sounds of an Italian Cat=
holic
> >Mafia wedding Set in New Orleans.

> =

> I like someone else's idea to crank up the temperature; that would rais=
e
> the tension level more than just a bit. Alfredo Alves also had some
> excellent ideas; reread his post on the subject.

Hmmmm. What about a jealous younger/older sister? Daddy can't very well
have his other daughter hauled out of the room by enforcers, and if
she's been spoiled and expects to get her way. . . =


> =

> Also, the chief mobster in New Orleans is a woman. I don't think she's=
a
> capa, I think it's a higher level on the chain of command. What would =
you
> call a female Don?

Perhaps Doña? Italian is a romance language like Spanish, the female
form would be something similar, if not that.

> =

> And as I recall, she is on good terms with various voudoun Carib League=

> folks; it's supposedly part of the reason she's so feared. She deals w=
ith
> magic, metas and voudoun, stuff the old stodgy Dons won't touch. But u=
sing
> them, she's got a pretty tight hold over New Orleans.

What if one of the voudoun relations/friends wants to perform a ceremony
on the bride/groom? Again, the Doña can't exactly have the
preist/preistess(I don't remember the voudoun title) bundled out the
door. "What is that chicken for?"

Hope you have a good time with this, and the poor man should eventually
get the lady(unless he doesn't want her). . . Poor lady is going to be
awfully bored watching her lover sleep on the honeymoon(fellow's going
to be all worn out from worrying about politics and such)

Ooooh. Inspiration strikes! What if the lovely lady has a fit during the
reception because Mr. White isn't paying enough attention to her? I know
from past experience that brides(and grooms) can get really
nervous/edgy/stressed during and after a wedding. Scenario: Mr. White
gives lovely lady a passionate kiss, then is off to pay his respects to
the Doña. Then the other Dons. Then the various Lieutenants and
important city officials.etc. etc. Ad nauseam. =

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Message no. 25
From: Steve Collins <einan@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:14:36 -0400
}}snip description of wedding{{

>Now onto the juicy stuff, have someone try a hit at the Wedding, not on the
>Don, but on a Lieutenant of his. Maybe the Don ordered it. Or a scorned
>sister trying to ruin the wedding. Le's see what else, maybe it rains on
>the wedding day or the Bride and Groom see each other before the ceremony.
>The best man looses the Wedding Ring, the florist is late, the Best Man
>looses the Priest's "Gift". Ummm, the Priest is drunk before the ceremony
>(this bodes poorly for the Health of the Priest). The Brides father has a
>heart attack in the middle of the ceremony, but before they are pronounced
>Man and Wife.
>
>Anyway there is my take on it.
>
>Jester
>
>Oh yeah, maybe the Bride does not show up. That would go over real well.

These are all good ideas but instead of the bride not showing up how
about some old enemy of the characters showing up and "delaying" him for
a long while. Possibly they don't even know about the wedding it's just
old business. Of course they wouldn't kill him just delay long enough to
be a serious problem. Imagine trying to explain why you were late to her
father (assuming he waited for an answer as he would be seriously
embarrased in front of his peers)

Steve
Message no. 26
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:05:00 -0400
At 12:10 PM 8/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, I having been to a big Italian-American wedding just 2 months ago,
>here are my tips:

You know, all this talk about weddings is making me very glad that I'm
single...

>If a former "good friend" of the bride or groom showed up and even started
>to open their mouth at the "does anyone have any reason this marrage should
>not happen" part, several muscular friends of the family would probably
>escort them outside and teach them not to try to embarrass a member of THIS
>family.

Ooh! Use this Tinner!

>It's very likely the New Orleans chief of police would be invited and, in
>fact, in attendance.

Oh yeah.

>Nobody would talk about business, at least until after the
>honeymoon--unless, of course, an exceptional situation were to arise. ;)

What about when the Don retires to a private room during the reception? In
"the Godfather" favors were asked of the Don then. That seems like it
would be business to me. But it would be something done on the sly and not
publicly; afterall, it's not a business meeting, it's a wedding! But one
must pay their respects to the Don though...

Erik J., ruthlessly single
Message no. 27
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:45:39 -0400
On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Erik Jameson wrote:

->At 08:57 PM 8/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
->
->Also, the chief mobster in New Orleans is a woman. I don't think she's a
->capa, I think it's a higher level on the chain of command. What would you
->call a female Don?

Dawn? ]:-)

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 28
From: John Vots <jvots@**.KO.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:52:34 -0400
>IIRC, the full ceremony should be considered only if the fiancés are=
both
>catholics. The short ceremony is required if one of them is not.

Not anymore, I just did this 2 years ago and the Priest asked which
ceremony we wanted. Since the majority of the guests were going to be
non-Catholics we opted for the short ceremony, as the Mass would have b=
een
lost on 80% of the audience.

>However, the priest may lengthen his preach, and will usually do when =
the
>engaged couple is from a high social level, not to disappoint his
"regulars",
>and to take the chance to make new converts.

The Priests I have met are about split. they either are direct and to t=
he
point (the ones you like when growing up Catholic) and the long winded =
tell
you every story in the book windbag type (the ones you HATE when growin=
g up
Catholic).

In someone elses post they mentioned the Bishop doing the ceremony. The=

Arch-Bishop of New Orleans (it should have one with that many Catholics=
,
and he may be a part of the family) would probably do the Wedding Cerem=
ony
itself but would leave the rest of the Mass to a regular Priest.

>There is even a shorter ceremony when none of the fiancés are cathol=
ics.

That's called a Justice of the Peace :)



Jester
Message no. 29
From: John Vots <jvots@**.KO.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:00:13 -0400
>These are all good ideas but instead of the bride not showing up how
>about some old enemy of the characters showing up and "delaying" him for
>a long while. Possibly they don't even know about the wedding it's just
>ld business. Of course they wouldn't kill him just delay long enough to
>be a serious problem. Imagine trying to explain why you were late to her
>father (assuming he waited for an answer as he would be seriously
>embarrased in front of his peers)


That or have the Girl get kidnapped by the Triads or the Yaks in an attempt
to delay the wedding and embarrass the Mafia. Think of it the Heroic
Shadowrunner saving his bride to be from the evil Yakuza boss, how
romantic. (I'm going to go puke now, O.K.)



Oh, I would agree with the Dona for a female Don. (Wishing this PoS mailer
would do accenting easily).



Jester
Message no. 30
From: Ryan Bolduan <emeottrw@***.MRS.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:11:38 -0500
<snip ideas>

I remember the Yaks are very anti-meta but I can't remember about the
mafia. What if on the side the uncle everybody hates (and happens to be
orc/troll) decides to crash the wedding? It could add for some
interesting moments if the rest of the team were hired to say "keep him
away."


Talk to you later!!

/> Duct tape is like the force, it has a light and
/< a dark side and it binds the universe together.
O[\\\\\\(O):::<===============================================-
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\> -- Ryan Bolduan
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Message no. 31
From: Owen Landgren <wodin@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:02:49 -0700
John Vots wrote:
>

>
> That or have the Girl get kidnapped by the Triads or the Yaks in an attempt
> to delay the wedding and embarrass the Mafia. Think of it the Heroic
> Shadowrunner saving his bride to be from the evil Yakuza boss, how
> romantic. (I'm going to go puke now, O.K.)

Of course, they can always say "Don't move an inch or we geek your lady.
Bring the (money/item/whatever) to the airport and leave it sitting in
the hallway. Try any funny stuff and she's dead."


>
> Oh, I would agree with the Dona for a female Don. (Wishing this PoS mailer
> would do accenting easily).

Easily?? Who said anything about it being easy? It's built into the
standard typeset as alt+164(in that order, hold keys down).


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Message no. 32
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:32:21 EDT
In a message dated 8/19/98 2:11:38 PM AST, erikj@****.COM writes:

> What about when the Don retires to a private room during the reception? In
> "the Godfather" favors were asked of the Don then. That seems like it
> would be business to me. But it would be something done on the sly and not
> publicly; afterall, it's not a business meeting, it's a wedding! But one
> must pay their respects to the Don though...
>

In the Godfather Don Corleone says a Sicilian cannot turn down a request on
his daughters wedding day ( It wasn't Michael who got married. It was the
sister whos name escapes me right now). That sounds like it could be ripe for
something that could turn the wedding into a fiasco.
Anyone notice that the only real name of the real original 5 families of New
York that wasn't used in the Underworld Sourcebook was Gambino ? That was/is
the family now run by John Gotti.
Message no. 33
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:35:43 -0500
>In the Godfather Don Corleone says a Sicilian cannot turn down a
>request on his daughters wedding day ( It wasn't Michael who got
>married. It was the sister whos name escapes me right now).

Oooops. That was my mistake (saying it was Michael's wedding). It's only
been about 15 years since I saw the movie...I really need to dig it out
again. I'm falling behind on my appreciation of Coppola's work.

---
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Message no. 34
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:28:51 -0500
On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:58:59 -0400 Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM> writes:
>At 08:57 PM 8/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
<SNIP>
>Also, the chief mobster in New Orleans is a woman. I don't think she's
a
>capa, I think it's a higher level on the chain of command. What would
you
>call a female Don?

According to Underworld SB Capa is Above Don.

It goes Capo Di Tutti Capi (Boss of all bosses.
Inner Circle (the 12+ most powerful Dons and Capos)
Commisione (Heads of he 50+ families)
Capo (Head of all the families in an area [ie New Orleans])
Don (Family Head)
Then come all of the people under the Don. <Plug> For the Full rundown
and the Rundowns for the rundowns for other major orginsed crime
syndicaates (such as the Yakuza), pick up Stephen Kenson's Underworld SB.
</Plug>

<SNIP>
>Erik J.

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Message no. 35
From: Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:00:43 -0500
At 03:28 PM 8/19/98 -0500, Alfredo B Alves wrote:

>According to Underworld SB Capa is Above Don.
>
>It goes Capo Di Tutti Capi (Boss of all bosses.
>Inner Circle (the 12+ most powerful Dons and Capos)
>Commisione (Heads of he 50+ families)
>Capo (Head of all the families in an area [ie New Orleans])
>Don (Family Head)
>Then come all of the people under the Don. <Plug> For the Full rundown
>and the Rundowns for the rundowns for other major orginsed crime
>syndicaates (such as the Yakuza), pick up Stephen Kenson's Underworld SB.
></Plug>

Except that, while this may be true for the LCN in Sr, it's not in the real
world. The Capo di Tutti Capi (Boss of Bosses) is the head of all the
families (tradionally, he's been the head of one of the 5 families in NYC).
A Don and a Capo are the same. The head of the family for a city. Not
_a_ family, the family. Even if they have different names, they're still
the same "family" from the mafia point of view. Example, John Gotti was
Capo di Capo for awhile. He wasn't Don of the Gotti family, he was Don of
the Gambino's (he came in after Big Joe Castellano was murdered, the
previous Don of Don's), and the Gambinos were the ruling family in NYC.
There's a difference between head of La Familia and the head of a family.

If I'm being unclear, cut out "Don (Family Head)" and it's closer to the
real world.


Mike Broadwater
Member of the Blackhand, White Wolf's Official Demo Team
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon/
Message no. 36
From: Matt Compton <NEWSHADOW@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:04:45 EDT
In a message dated 8/19/98, 10:05:58 AM, SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET writes:
> I would suggest attempting to get your hands on the
>handbook/guidbook with the full text of the Traditional Wedding Mass in
>either Latin or Italian. That way you can actualy read through important
>Chunks of the text during gameplay to get the players in the correct "boy
>am i bored and i dont understand a WORD of this crap" mood right before
>you spring any suprises on them. :)

Only certain parts of a wedding mass will be spoken in Latin. Most of it will
be done in the native language of the priest, not the attendees. So if the
bishop or priest who is presenting the mass is not a native from an english
speaker, he would probably not be understandable to those attending.

Just a thought...

NewShadow
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/6852/index.html
Message no. 37
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:57:07 -0500
On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:00:43 -0500 Michael Broadwater <neon@*******.EDU>
writes:
>At 03:28 PM 8/19/98 -0500, Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>>According to Underworld SB Capa is Above Don.
>>
>>It goes Capo Di Tutti Capi (Boss of all bosses.
>>Inner Circle (the 12+ most powerful Dons and Capos)
>>Commisione (Heads of he 50+ families)
>>Capo (Head of all the families in an area [ie New Orleans])

Btw, female version is Capa

>>Don (Family Head)

Female version might be Dona or Dame ...

>>Then come all of the people under the Don. <Plug> For the Full rundown
>>and the Rundowns for the rundowns for other major orginsed crime
>>syndicaates (such as the Yakuza), pick up Stephen Kenson's Underworld
SB.
>></Plug>

>Except that, while this may be true for the LCN in Sr, it's not in the
real
>world. The Capo di Tutti Capi (Boss of Bosses) is the head of all the
>families (tradionally, he's been the head of one of the 5 families in
NYC).
> A Don and a Capo are the same. The head of the family for a city. Not
>_a_ family, the family. Even if they have different names, they're
still
>the same "family" from the mafia point of view. Example, John Gotti was
>Capo di Capo for awhile. He wasn't Don of the Gotti family, he was Don
of
>the Gambino's (he came in after Big Joe Castellano was murdered, the
>previous Don of Don's), and the Gambinos were the ruling family in NYC.
>There's a difference between head of La Familia and the head of a
family.
>
>If I'm being unclear, cut out "Don (Family Head)" and it's closer to the
>real world.
>
>
>Mike Broadwater
<SNIP Sig>

Not being a "Made Man", I can't really talk about RL. (Care to give a
source for your insight into Mafia structure? A movie? A book?) I only
know what's in the Underworld SB ... which seems to differ from what you
said above. In the SB, the Capo di tutti Capi is the head of La Cosa
Nostra which extends over the all of North America (including, UCAS, CAS,
CFS, NAN, but not, AFAIK, Aztlan). Each family (ie, the Gambinos) is
headed by a Don, then every area is headed by a Capo/Capa. (the SB
doesn't say the Capo/Capa can't be the Don of a certain family too ... In
fact it looks like in the SB, Miriam Kozlowski, the Capa of New Orleans,
is also the Don/Dona/Dame/Whatever of the Kozlowski family.) From what I
understand (from the SB again), there might be one family in a city or
there might be several and I think one family might actually encompass
more than one city, all depending on how much interest the Mafia as a
whole is giving the city/area (ie, NYC is important/big so there are
several families (note family as oppossed to Family) It may be that
right now IRL, there are several Families accross the US and FASA decided
to consolidate them in SR. In fact I think this is mentioned in the
history section ...

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Message no. 38
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:10:43 +1000
>> Oh, I would agree with the Dona for a female Don. (Wishing this PoS=
mailer
>> would do accenting easily).
>
>Easily?? Who said anything about it being easy? It's built into the
>standard typeset as alt+164(in that order, hold keys down).

However, Italian doesn't use ñ.

Does it?



Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 39
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:03:09 EDT
In a message dated 8/19/98 6:01:10 PM AST, neon@*******.EDU writes:

> Except that, while this may be true for the LCN in Sr, it's not in the real
> world. The Capo di Tutti Capi (Boss of Bosses) is the head of all the
> families (tradionally, he's been the head of one of the 5 families in NYC).
> A Don and a Capo are the same. The head of the family for a city. Not
> _a_ family, the family. Even if they have different names, they're still
> the same "family" from the mafia point of view. Example, John Gotti was
> Capo di Capo for awhile. He wasn't Don of the Gotti family, he was Don of
> the Gambino's (he came in after Big Joe Castellano was murdered, the
> previous Don of Don's), and the Gambinos were the ruling family in NYC.
> There's a difference between head of La Familia and the head of a family.
>
> If I'm being unclear, cut out "Don (Family Head)" and it's closer to the
> real world.
>

Big Paul ( not Joe) Castellano was murdered outside Sparks restaurant in
midtown NY by associates of Gotti and Sammy "the Bull" Gravano in 1985 in a
power grab. He had taken over in 1976 after the death of Carlo Gambino, the
original family patriach. There has not been a Capo di tutti Capi, boss of all
bosses, of the Mafia since Salvatore Marranzano in 1931. The heads of the 5
families form "The Commission."
The character that Marlon Brando played in the Godfather was supposed to be
Salvatore Genovese, the originator of the Genovese crime family and Hyman
Roth, played by Lee Strasberg was supposed to be Meyer Lansky.
Message no. 40
From: Owen Landgren <wodin@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:33:57 -0700
Lady Jestyr wrote:
=

> However, Italian doesn't use ñ.
> =

> Does it?

I have no idea. My friend who knows Italian hasn't answered e-mail for a
couple of weeks, so I can't ask him. They are both romance languages,
and speakers can go back and forth with minimal pantomiming. My main
experience comes from High school spanish, which does have Don and Doña=
,
which seem to eman approxiamtely the same thing. i.e. Don Fernando. =


Anybody else have any idea? =



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Message no. 41
From: William Ashe <wmashe@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:12:53 -0700
>Feel free to let your imaginations soar, 'cause I've never been to a
>Catholic wedding, and have NO idea what to expect.
>
>Steven A. Tinner


Make sure you have the crazy uncle that gets drunk and starts shooting his
mouth off. The slutty half sister, and the innocent grandmother who really
does know everything about evrybody and really runs the show.

oh, that and the chicken dance

Regards
Bright-Light
Message no. 42
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:08:06 -0400
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At 12:58 PM 8/19/98 -0400, Erik wrote:
>Also, the chief mobster in New Orleans is a woman. I don't think
she's a
>capa, I think it's a higher level on the chain of command. What
would you
>call a female Don?

Anything but Fairy Godmother, even if she does happen to be an elf,
and have the girth of Marlin Brando.

(Argh. I wish I remembered what the Mafia's stance on elves and other
metas. Gonna have to re-read Underworld.)

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Message no. 43
From: Kama <kama@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:45:24 -0400
Well, I may be a little late in adding my two cents, but here it is for
what it is worth.

Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that full mass will only be said
if BOTH parties are catholic. Does the bride want a full mass? Does she
expect her fiance to convert so that she can have one? Life beocmes
interesting if she does, as you will need to arrange for baptisim,
confirmation, and pre-comfirmation classes. Those classes could be a lot
of fun as poor Mr. Runner may have to explain why he missed a session or
two . . . In adidiotn he may have a religious instructer who believes the
church was wrong to back down from its position that all metahumans and
magic were spawned from the devil (if appropriate). And don't forget the
difficulty of participating in a full Catholic Mass. There are a lot of
responses to memorize. He will probably need to buy a new skill
("Catholic Etiquette"?) or chip the ceremony and end up staring off into
space the whole time as he reads the words (which might upset the bride).

On a more practical level, It might be nice to have a wedding
"disaster" that has nothing to do with the shadows and let the players
respond to it as they will. (In a manner that will probably be called
overkill). I've been married for 7 months 3 days, so I still remember my
wedding vividly and everyone else in the wrold felt compleled to tell me
thier wedding disaster stories over the past year. So consider the
following real life possibilities . . .

1) Forget the jelous girlfriend, when asked does anyone have any objection
a voice is heard from the back of the room screaming "NO". The bride goes
hysterical, and all of the NPCs are frozen in shock. If/when people
recover from this, it is discovered that a two-year old child in the back
row was simply protesting his mother's command to sit down and keep quiet.

2) The bride's hairdresser is behind schedule. She is two hours late in
getting to the church. The groom has no explaination for the absence, just
a lot of time to worry, and possibly do something stupid.

3) When the bride does go to get dressed at the church, her veil is
missing. A check with the bridal shop reveals that it was put in the bag
with the dress that morning (or was it in the bag with the right dress?)
No problem, the bridal shop only sent out dresses to seven weddings today
- so the players go on the great veil hunt, and possibly have some
interesting experiences when they turn up at other peoples weddings ("No
invitation, no admittance" "We don't allow metas in here" "What is
this
man doing in your dressing room? I thought you weren't going to cheat
anymore!")

4) Oh, and you can just go with the simple problem of the wrong flowers in
the bridal arrangement. My sister had holly in her bouquet which had
thorns sharp enough to draw blood from her, the groom, and the lady
catching the bouquet. A friend of hers accidently picked a filler flower
which the groom was allergic to. (If the grooom starts turning purple and
having trouble breathing, breaking out in hives, will your players think
allergic reaction or poison?)

Enjoy!

-Kama
Message no. 44
From: Mike Elkins <Mike_Elkins@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:28:50 -0400
<snip: Wedding disasters>
As well as being a Chemical Engineer, my wife is also an organist, and here
are some of the things she has witnessed (these are not urban legends, no
no no):
The bride so nervous (and pickled-didn't eat for several days so she could
fit into her dress, then binged on booze in the limo) she puked on the
groom at the altar.
The maid of honor accidentally stepping on the bride's train as she walked
down the aisle--the bride went forward flat on her face, bruising her nose
and flattening her bouquet. Imagine the photo shoot...
The bride 45 minutes late because she couldn't find one of her shoes, with
no-one knowing where she was.
The groom not showing up--happens, really.
The bride not showing up--ditto. We've seen it.
Another bride (who also didn't eat for a few days) passing out from hunger
during the ceremony.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 45
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:18:45 -0300
John Vots wrote:
>
> Well, it's long. Really long. If you do the whole Wedding Mass (which most
> Catholics don't) it can be over an Hour long. The shorter version id
> between 25 and 40 minutes depending on the priest what he has to say.
>
> Now since it is a Mafia Wedding I would think that there would be a full
> Wedding Mass. So the ceremony is going to be long and mostly meaningless to
> non-Catholics.
> The sounds will be your traditional wedding sounds, with one Major
> exception, the wedding march is not played until after the ceremony.
> Definetly not when the Bride comes down the Aisle. Afterwards think PARTY,
> the larger and more Grand the better.

By the time the party starts, the religious part is over. The
reception
has come from social tradition, not from the religious ritual. It's
different
in every country because of the country's culture, not because of a
difference
in the religion itself.

> Now onto the juicy stuff, have someone try a hit at the Wedding, not on the
> Don, but on a Lieutenant of his. Maybe the Don ordered it. Or a scorned
> sister trying to ruin the wedding. Le's see what else, maybe it rains on
> the wedding day or the Bride and Groom see each other before the ceremony.
> The best man looses the Wedding Ring, the florist is late, the Best Man
> looses the Priest's "Gift". Ummm, the Priest is drunk before the ceremony
> (this bodes poorly for the Health of the Priest). The Brides father has a
> heart attack in the middle of the ceremony, but before they are pronounced
> Man and Wife.
>

The part about a drunken priest only happens in a very comical
setting...

Bira
Message no. 46
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:37:09 -0300
Iridios wrote:
>
> Also, if the Capo is attending, then the Wedding Mass (yes there is a
> formal mass for weddings, about 2 1/2 hours the last time I attended
> one) should be performed by someone higher up in the Catholic
> heirarchy. Maybe a well known Bishop, or a Cardinal from Italy
> (Vatican City). Of course, having a wedding performed by such might
> draw in the local media.

I think it would take far more than a wedding (even if from rich
people)
to have a Cardinal show up. Maybe even a Bishop is to high up. A popular
priest would be ideal, tough. And the couple who will marry is likely
to atract more attention, if the Mafia has a legal front. They're more
likely to do a private wedding, with only the families of the couple
attending to it. It also would make getting in there a challenge for
the runners.

> And in New Orleans, the reception (not the wedding) would probably
> have some heavy Voudoun (sp?) flavor thrown in for good measure.

Not necessarily, I guess. It would most likely be just a party,
considering
the Mafia is not known for dealing with Voundoun :) .

Bira

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Message no. 47
From: John Vots <jvots@**.KO.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:38:00 -0400
> By the time the party starts, the religious part is over. The
>reception has come from social tradition, not from the religious >ritual.
It's different in every country because of the country's >culture, not
because of a difference in the religion itself.


Yeah, I know that. What's your point? I realize that traditions change from
Culture to Culture, but here you are talking about American Culture and I
know a little bit about that. There are variances in religion from Culture
to Culture as well, even in the same religion.

There will still be a LOT of booze at the reception. It does not change the
fact that there will be a reception. There will be drunks there and drunks
tend to be annoying or amusing, occassionally both.


>> Ummm, the Priest is drunk before the ceremony
>> (this bodes poorly for the Health of the Priest). The Brides father
>>has a heart attack in the middle of the ceremony, but before they are
>>pronounced Man and Wife.
>

> The part about a drunken priest only happens in a very comical
>setting...]


I have seen a couple of drunken priests in my time. But it was just an
idea, and priests get nervous too.



Jester
Message no. 48
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:44:30 EST
> There will still be a LOT of booze at the reception. It does not change the
> fact that there will be a reception. There will be drunks there and drunks
> tend to be annoying or amusing, occassionally both.

I skipped a lot of this thread, so forgive me if this has been
mentioned...my fiancee was in Italy for a wedding of a relative (the
half of the family that didn't go to the States). The reception was
lively, fun, talkative, and full of food. There was no dancing, no
tossing of anything, just eating. 4 hours of food.

-=SwiftOne=-
(Who's really gonna bust a move at his reception)
Message no. 49
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:12:02 -0300
Owen Landgren wrote:
>
> > Also, the chief mobster in New Orleans is a woman. I don't think she's a
> > capa, I think it's a higher level on the chain of command. What would you
> > call a female Don?
>
> Perhaps Doña? Italian is a romance language like Spanish, the female
> form would be something similar, if not that.

Doña is Spanish... Italian would look more like Dona or Donna.


Bira
Message no. 50
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:49:16 -0300
Kama wrote:
>
>
> Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that full mass will only be said
> if BOTH parties are catholic. Does the bride want a full mass? Does she
> expect her fiance to convert so that she can have one? Life beocmes
> interesting if she does, as you will need to arrange for baptisim,
> confirmation, and pre-comfirmation classes. Those classes could be a lot
> of fun as poor Mr. Runner may have to explain why he missed a session or
> two . . . In adidiotn he may have a religious instructer who believes the
> church was wrong to back down from its position that all metahumans and
> magic were spawned from the devil (if appropriate). And don't forget the
> difficulty of participating in a full Catholic Mass. There are a lot of
> responses to memorize. He will probably need to buy a new skill
> ("Catholic Etiquette"?) or chip the ceremony and end up staring off into
> space the whole time as he reads the words (which might upset the bride).


I don't think a new skill is necessary... Are you referring only
to the marriage mass or to the normal celebrations? I'm Catholic, and
it isn't complicated at all. If runner can remember all the plans and
details to raid that corp, he can remember to say "yes" at the right
time...

Bira
Message no. 51
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:43:41 -0300
Owen Landgren wrote:
>
> Lady Jestyr wrote:
>
> > However, Italian doesn't use ñ.
> >
> > Does it?
>
> I have no idea. My friend who knows Italian hasn't answered e-mail for a
> couple of weeks, so I can't ask him. They are both romance languages,
> and speakers can go back and forth with minimal pantomiming. My main
> experience comes from High school spanish, which does have Don and Doña,
> which seem to eman approxiamtely the same thing. i.e. Don Fernando.
>
> Anybody else have any idea?
>

Italian doesn't use ñ, and it's a bit different from Portuguese and
Spanish...
2 dots away on the Web :) .

Bira
Message no. 52
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:14:57 -0300
Lady Jestyr wrote:
>
> >> Oh, I would agree with the Dona for a female Don. (Wishing this PoS mailer
> >> would do accenting easily).
> >
> >Easily?? Who said anything about it being easy? It's built into the
> >standard typeset as alt+164(in that order, hold keys down).
>
> However, Italian doesn't use ñ.
>
> Does it?


Nope.
Message no. 53
From: Kama <kama@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:27:28 -0400
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Ubiratan P. Alberton wrote:

> Kama wrote:
> >
> >
> > And don't forget the difficulty of participating in a full Catholic
> > Mass. There are a lot of responses to memorize. He will probably need
> > to buy a new skill ("Catholic Etiquette"?) or chip the ceremony and
> > end up staring off into space the whole time as he reads the words
> > (which might upset the bride).
>
>
> I don't think a new skill is necessary... Are you referring only
> to the marriage mass or to the normal celebrations? I'm Catholic, and
> it isn't complicated at all. If runner can remember all the plans and
> details to raid that corp, he can remember to say "yes" at the right
> time...
>

I'm sure he will manage the "yes", "I do", and "I will just
fine". Teh
problem will be in the prayers and responses.

When I talked to the church officials at the local Catholic Cathedral last
year in preparation for my own wedding. They expalined to me that they
could only do an abbreviated ceremony since my fiance was not Catholic.
They tried ot push a conversion by explaining that if we were both
catholic the priest would perform a full mass including communion and the
traditional prayers and responses. ("The lord be with you" "And also with
you") Then, the marriage ceremony would be tacked on to the normal mass.
(Needless to say, this is not what we did.)

Personally, I am not a practicing Catholic (Heck, I'm probably not a
Catholic at all) and haven't attended regular Catholic church services in
15-20 years. However, I still turn up for funerals and family weddings,
and, trust me, I spend a lot of time at such event pretending I know what
to say next when the rest of the congregation responds.

Think of just the simple things. Most other cristian religions don't use
the Hail Mary, the Catholic version of the Lord's prayer is different
from that used in most other churches, and most non-Catholics ask what all
the candles in the vestibule are for the first time they enter a Catholic
church.

- Kama
Message no. 54
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:18:15 -0400
>Think about the havoc a top notch decker can do to a man, and more
>importantly, his personal and financial life, and his reputation?
>
>NEVER piss off a decker... Any other "archetype" can kill you... A Decker
>will make you miserable for the rest of your life...

More to the point.
Think about what can happen when you ak your GM to wrap up some of the loose
ends he's left floating for the last 5 years, and then the GM decides to
wrap them ALL up!

<EGM Grin>

For those who are wondering.
In my game, Mr. White is marrying La Grannde Dame Morte's (or whatever her
name is) daughter/grandaughter weirdness.
This is essentially setting White up in a fairly influential position in the
Mafia.
Seeing as how White is a "scumbag Shadowrunner" there are plenty of annoyed
Guido's who are gonna want a piece of him.

That's where the fun starts ... ;-)

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://listen.to/Tinner
"Legless Dogs!" - Jargon Al, The Sifl & Olly Show
Message no. 55
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:23:20 -0400
>> Once again it has fallen on me to torture and abuse one of my players
>> through his PC's personal life. And as a surprise, it's NOT Bull for a
>> change! ;-)
>
>Who are you and what did you do to Tinner? :)

Bull has been granted a repreive, although since he's going to be at the
wedding ... well, let's not go there.

>OH MY! I really would have like to have seen the roleplaying that lead up
>to this engagement. Is it a willing wedding or is Mr. White being forced
>into it?

It's a willing wedding, but alos an arranged one. The momma wants her
daughter to have someone "tough and dependable" around when she's not around
to protect her. (I'm playing her as a stereotypical overprotective Italian
mamma-mia)

> Has Mr White had any "not appropriate" moments with any OTHER
>females in his life? (To steal a line from clinton) What if one of them
>showed up at the wedding and decided to have her say at the "Does anyone
>know why these two should not be together" line in the ceramony? Or a past
>boyfreind of the bride doing something similar? Im sure that would make
>the Capo REAL happy!

Well, funny you should mention it, he was dating a clone that used ritual
mind control sorcery on him for a while ... ;-)

> Ya know Tinner, I have to thank you for letting us help torture
>your players. Its a lot of fun and we are far enough away that they can
>hit us over the head with their hardbacks. :)

The pleasure is all mine! There's always a few good ideas out there, and I
can usually twist them enough to make them acceptably evil for my purposes!
;-)

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://listen.to/Tinner
"Legless Dogs!" - Jargon Al, The Sifl & Olly Show
Message no. 56
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:30:06 -0400
>>If a former "good friend" of the bride or groom showed up and even
started
>>to open their mouth at the "does anyone have any reason this marrage
should
>>not happen" part, several muscular friends of the family would probably
>>escort them outside and teach them not to try to embarrass a member of
THIS
>>family.
>
>Ooh! Use this Tinner!

There's a few reasons this won't work in my game.
For starters, the Bride has never even dated another man, it's complicated,
trust me, she will be PURE on the wedding night! ;-)

Also, since the marriage has been arranged, the other guy who weren't chosen
have already settled their beefs with the groom.

God idea, but won't work in my campaign, thanks! ;-)

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://listen.to/Tinner
"Legless Dogs!" - Jargon Al, The Sifl & Olly Show
Message no. 57
From: Geoff Skellams <geoff.skellams@*********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:23:39 +1000
On Shadowrun Discussion, Steven A. Tinner[SMTP:bluewizard@*****.COM]
wrote:
> There's a few reasons this won't work in my game.
> For starters, the Bride has never even dated another man, it's
complicated,
> trust me, she will be PURE on the wedding night! ;-)
>
Hmmm, what about another WOMAN? I reckon that would throw a few
cats among the pidgeons.


G

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Message no. 58
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:21:14 -0300
Kama wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Ubiratan P. Alberton wrote:
>
>
> I'm sure he will manage the "yes", "I do", and "I will just
fine". Teh
> problem will be in the prayers and responses.
>
> When I talked to the church officials at the local Catholic Cathedral last
> year in preparation for my own wedding. They expalined to me that they
> could only do an abbreviated ceremony since my fiance was not Catholic.
> They tried ot push a conversion by explaining that if we were both
> catholic the priest would perform a full mass including communion and the
> traditional prayers and responses. ("The lord be with you" "And also
with
> you") Then, the marriage ceremony would be tacked on to the normal mass.
> (Needless to say, this is not what we did.)
>

The skill for that would be Theology, and you only need that to
attend
the Mass when you'll be the one celebrating it :) . Just knowing what to
say isn't a big deal, if the runner in question attends the Mass once in
a while.

Bira
Message no. 59
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:14:37 -0300
John Vots wrote:
>
> > By the time the party starts, the religious part is over. The
> >reception has come from social tradition, not from the religious >ritual.
> It's different in every country because of the country's >culture, not
> because of a difference in the religion itself.
>
> Yeah, I know that. What's your point?

It's because lot's of people here were talking like the reception was
part
of the Catholic ritual, or at least it seemed so to me. It's just a
party, that's
what I've wanted to say. There is drinking, there is music, and all
things a party
has in the particular area where the marriage happened.

> I have seen a couple of drunken priests in my time. But it was just an
> idea, and priests get nervous too.
>
> Jester

It's the Don's daughter wedding... Only in a very comical adventure
would the priest be drunk at that time. :)

Bira
Message no. 60
From: John Vots <jvots@**.KO.COM>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:28:16 -0400
> It's because lot's of people here were talking like the reception >was
part of the Catholic ritual, or at least it seemed so to me. It's >just a
party, that's
>what I've wanted to say.


O.K, I can see where you got that idea from. There is a connection between
the two events. The reception is held in conjunction with the wedding. But
it is not a religious ceremony.


> It's the Don's daughter wedding... Only in a very comical adventure
>would the priest be drunk at that time. :)


I said it would be bad for the Priest :), but in stressful situations some
people think that Alcohol will calm them and as they drink and are
still nervous they drink more, could happen. I did not mean
stammering falling down drunk just enough to slur some words that the
Don would notice and investigate, that or he could be at the party
falling down drunk.



Jester
Message no. 61
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Mafia Wedding ideas?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:22:39 -0300
John Vots wrote:
>
> > It's because lot's of people here were talking like the reception >was
> part of the Catholic ritual, or at least it seemed so to me. It's >just a
> party, that's
> >what I've wanted to say.
>
> O.K, I can see where you got that idea from. There is a connection between
> the two events. The reception is held in conjunction with the wedding. But
> it is not a religious ceremony.

And this was my point. :)

Bira

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