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Message no. 1
From: Gary Carroll <gary@****.COM>
Subject: Magical Barriers
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:47:12 -0700
I haven't played very many barriers or wards. Could
someone please give me some personal favorites.

I would like to make a barrier created by a blood mage,
from use of blood magic. Not a personal barrier but a
barrier the size of a small home (a barrier that would
fit inside a circus big top tent). What would it take to
break this barrier? How powerful would it have to be
to be this big?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Gary C.
Message no. 2
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Magical Barriers
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:20:07 +0100
> I would like to make a barrier created by a blood mage,
> from use of blood magic. Not a personal barrier but a
> barrier the size of a small home (a barrier that would
> fit inside a circus big top tent). What would it take to
> break this barrier? How powerful would it have to be
> to be this big?

I assume that you want to play this by the book and not invent some
house rule. If you read the description of the barrier spell in SRII
you'll see that its possible to alternate the size/shape of the barrier
created. So in order to make a barrier the size of a house you only
need more success/more force (I dont quite remember right now).

As for its potency, well it depends on the force of the spell,
you can use blood magic to jacj up the force if you like. Read the
barrier rules in SRII they explain what it takes to take down a barrier.

--
GCS d s+: p1 a-->? C++++ UA++$S++L+++>++++ L+++ E--- W+ N+ w(--) M-- !V(--)
PS+ PE Y+ PGP-- @*++ 5++ X++ R+++ tv++ b++ G+++ e++ h+(*) r

"In my mind I see the matrix, and in the matrix is held the power. The lock
to the matrix is my will, and in the matrix my will becomes the power."
Message no. 3
From: Stefan Struck <struck@******.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject: Re: Magical Barriers
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:32:17 +0100
Jani wrote:
>
> > I would like to make a barrier created by a blood mage,
> > from use of blood magic. Not a personal barrier but a
> > barrier the size of a small home (a barrier that would
> > fit inside a circus big top tent). What would it take to
> > break this barrier? How powerful would it have to be
> > to be this big?
>
> So in order to make a barrier the size of a house you only
> need more success/more force (I dont quite remember right now).
>
Close, but no cigar. The size of the barrier is a dome (in this version,
I don't think a wall would be right) with a radius of the magic ratign
of the casting magician. The barrier rating is the spell rating. The
successes doesn't do anything (one success is enough to bring the
barrier up). The only chance to alter the size of the barrier is to
withhold dice from the success test. To make it bigger withold 1 die
for 1 meter plus. To make it smaller withold 2 dice per one meter.
So, hmmm.. barrier the size of a circus tent? Tricky. Don't start
under a magic rating of .. maybe 9 or 10 and a spell with force rating
8-10.
bye,
Stefan
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Message no. 4
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Magical Barriers
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:43:06 +0100
> > > I would like to make a barrier created by a blood mage,
> > > from use of blood magic. Not a personal barrier but a
> > > barrier the size of a small home (a barrier that would
> > > fit inside a circus big top tent). What would it take to
> > > break this barrier? How powerful would it have to be
> > > to be this big?
> >
> > So in order to make a barrier the size of a house you only
> > need more success/more force (I dont quite remember right now).
> >
> Close, but no cigar. The size of the barrier is a dome (in this version,
> I don't think a wall would be right) with a radius of the magic ratign
> of the casting magician. The barrier rating is the spell rating. The
> successes doesn't do anything (one success is enough to bring the
> barrier up).

Thats why its so easy to get a barrier the size of a house up and
going.

> The only chance to alter the size of the barrier is to
> withhold dice from the success test. To make it bigger withold 1 die
> for 1 meter plus. To make it smaller withold 2 dice per one meter.
> So, hmmm.. barrier the size of a circus tent? Tricky. Don't start
> under a magic rating of .. maybe 9 or 10 and a spell with force rating
> 8-10.

Say that you have a spell with a force 10 (6 base force + expendable
fetish + exclusive spell) and your generic magic rating of 6 and a pool
of 6. This would give you 16 dice to roll and a base radius of 6 meters,
if you decide to give up 10 dice you still have 6 left over, this gives ya
a radius of 16 meters (more than enough) and 6 dice to roll the one 6
you need. Blood magic takes care of the drain.

--
GCS d s+: p1 a-->? C++++ UA++$S++L+++>++++ L+++ E--- W+ N+ w(--) M-- !V(--)
PS+ PE Y+ PGP-- @*++ 5++ X++ R+++ tv++ b++ G+++ e++ h+(*) r

"In my mind I see the matrix, and in the matrix is held the power. The lock
to the matrix is my will, and in the matrix my will becomes the power."
Message no. 5
From: Gary Carroll <gary@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Magical Barriers
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:23:03 -0700
>Gary:
>> > > I would like to make a barrier created by a blood mage,
>> > > from use of blood magic. Not a personal barrier but a
>> > > barrier the size of a small home (a barrier that would
>> > > fit inside a circus big top tent).

>> > So in order to make a barrier the size of a house you only
>> > need more success/more force (I dont quite remember right now).

>> Close, but no cigar. The size of the barrier is a dome (in this
>> version, I don't think a wall would be right) with a radius of
>> the magic rating of the casting magician.

>Jani:
> Thats why its so easy to get a barrier the size of a house up
> and going.

>> The only chance to alter the size of the barrier is to withhold
>> dice from the success test.

<snip jani's example>

So if this was a Ritual Barrier the radius would be the combined
radius Magic rating of the group?
* that would easily make this a huge barrier...
* would that also make this a more powerful barrier?
(i.e. does it become a higer power barrier due to it being a
ritual spell *adding the # of mages to the value*)

??

Thanks
Gary C.
Message no. 6
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Magical Barriers
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:36:25 +0930
Gary Carroll wrote:
>
> So if this was a Ritual Barrier the radius would be the combined
> radius Magic rating of the group?
> * that would easily make this a huge barrier...
> * would that also make this a more powerful barrier?
> (i.e. does it become a higer power barrier due to it being a
> ritual spell *adding the # of mages to the value*)

Read the spell. The way to make a STRONGER barrier is to make the force
higher. Having more mages help means you get more dice, only. However...
that means you can risk casting a stronger force spell which would fry your
butt if you cast it alone. Just remember, everyone needs to know the spell
at the desired force.

(This is something that really gives the old magical groups the edge.
Worried about invading runners? Use ritual magic to popup a force 20
barrier, then sustain it. :) I'd like to see them get through THAT in a
hurry.)

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
*** Finger me for my geek code ***
Message no. 7
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Magical Barriers
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:45:16 +0100
> >> > > I would like to make a barrier created by a blood mage,
> >> > > from use of blood magic. Not a personal barrier but a
> >> > > barrier the size of a small home (a barrier that would
> >> > > fit inside a circus big top tent).
>
> >> > So in order to make a barrier the size of a house you only
> >> > need more success/more force (I dont quite remember right now).
>
> >> Close, but no cigar. The size of the barrier is a dome (in this
> >> version, I don't think a wall would be right) with a radius of
> >> the magic rating of the casting magician.
>
> >Jani:
> > Thats why its so easy to get a barrier the size of a house up
> > and going.
>
> >> The only chance to alter the size of the barrier is to withhold
> >> dice from the success test.
>
> <snip jani's example>
>
> So if this was a Ritual Barrier the radius would be the combined
> radius Magic rating of the group?

No, but you would get their combined pool and that could give you
more meters.

> * that would easily make this a huge barrier...

Yes

> * would that also make this a more powerful barrier?
> (i.e. does it become a higer power barrier due to it being a
> ritual spell *adding the # of mages to the value*)

No the force of the barrier determines its strength, I think that
the force of the spell depends on the leader of the team. I am not
sure though, I'll have to look it up.

--
GCS d s+: p1 a-->? C++++ UA++$S++L+++>++++ L+++ E--- W+ N+ w(--) M-- !V(--)
PS+ PE Y+ PGP-- @*++ 5++ X++ R+++ tv++ b++ G+++ e++ h+(*) r

"In my mind I see the matrix, and in the matrix is held the power. The lock
to the matrix is my will, and in the matrix my will becomes the power."
Message no. 8
From: Gary Carroll <gary@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Magical Barriers
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:39:15 -0700
>Gary Carroll wrote:
>>
>> So if this was a Ritual Barrier the radius would be the combined
>> radius Magic rating of the group?
>> * that would easily make this a huge barrier...
><snip>
>Robert:
>Having more mages help means you get more dice, only.
>However... that means you can risk casting a stronger force spell
>which would fry your butt if you cast it alone. Just remember,
>everyone needs to know the spell at the desired force.
>
>(This is something that really gives the old magical groups the
>edge. Worried about invading runners? Use ritual magic to popup
>a force 20 barrier, then sustain it. :) I'd like to see them get
>through THAT in a hurry.)

Who in their right mind would make a force 20 barrier spell.
Who could... (besides the top players and initiate 10+ mages)

Thanks
Gary C.
Message no. 9
From: Cugel the Clever <cugel@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Magical Barriers
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:45:07 +01.0
Gary Carroll wrote:
> So if this was a Ritual Barrier the radius would be the combined
> radius Magic rating of the group? * that would easily make this a
> huge barrier... * would that also make this a more powerful
> barrier?
> (i.e. does it become a higer power barrier due to it being a
> ritual spell *adding the # of mages to the value*)

Nope. I think you confuse it with the wards from the Grimmy. AFAIK
these could become stronger/bigger if you use more mages (I'm not
completely sure though...)

Martin Steffens (Cugel@**.net / bdi05626@***.rhij.nl)
Many an ancient lord's last words had been, "You can't kill me
because I've got magic aaargh." (Terry Pratchett, Interesting Times)
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