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Message no. 1
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:30:18 -0400
OK, I noticed something. Casting spells through your astral form
inflicts Physical Damage on your body, regardless of what spells are
being cast. However, I've also noticed that an astrally projection
form can last Essence = hours after a projecting mage's body is
killed. Does this mean that the astral form of a dead mage can cast
any spells it wants with impunity?

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Ladies and Gentlemen of the Class of '99:

Do...not...gun down your high school. If I could offer you
only one tip for the future, not gunning down your high
school would be...it. The long-term benefits of not gunning
down your high school have been proved by scientists,
whereas the rest of my advice has no basis and is no
reliable than my own meandering experience. I will
dispense this advice now...

Angelkiller 404

http://www.mindspring.com/~angelkiller404/
http://www.gibbed.com/parasiteve/

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Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:12:47 +1000
Angelkiller 404 writes:
> OK, I noticed something. Casting spells through your astral form
> inflicts Physical Damage on your body, regardless of what spells are
> being cast. However, I've also noticed that an astrally projection
> form can last Essence = hours after a projecting mage's body is
> killed. Does this mean that the astral form of a dead mage can cast
> any spells it wants with impunity?

Unless they seriously changed things in SR3, you've misinterpretated things.

The way it worked in SR2, at least, was:

You cast spell.

You take drain.

The drain is damage, and all damage on the Astral is kept on track via the
Physical condition box. This damage is reflected in your physical body, but
it is actually happening to your Astral body.

So, with a dead mage, he would take damage. The only difference is that the
dead mage's body wouldn't reflect the damage, as the link is broken.

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Message no. 3
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:04:22 -0400
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 1:14 AM
Subject: RE: Magic/Astral projection question


>Angelkiller 404 writes:
>> OK, I noticed something. Casting spells through your astral form
>> inflicts Physical Damage on your body, regardless of what spells
are
>> being cast. However, I've also noticed that an astrally projection
>> form can last Essence = hours after a projecting mage's body is
>> killed. Does this mean that the astral form of a dead mage can
cast
>> any spells it wants with impunity?
>
>Unless they seriously changed things in SR3, you've misinterpretated
things.
>
>The way it worked in SR2, at least, was:
>
>You cast spell.
>
>You take drain.
>
>The drain is damage, and all damage on the Astral is kept on track
via the
>Physical condition box. This damage is reflected in your physical
body, but
>it is actually happening to your Astral body.
>
>So, with a dead mage, he would take damage. The only difference is
that the
>dead mage's body wouldn't reflect the damage, as the link is broken.


Exactly, but in the words of Sean Connery," What do you want me to do,
kill him again?" A dead body can't take any more damage, so now what?

-----
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Class of '99:

Do...not...gun down your high school. If I could offer you
only one tip for the future, not gunning down your high
school would be...it. The long-term benefits of not gunning
down your high school have been proved by scientists,
whereas the rest of my advice has no basis and is no
reliable than my own meandering experience. I will
dispense this advice now...

Angelkiller 404

http://www.mindspring.com/~angelkiller404/
http://www.gibbed.com/parasiteve/

ICQ: 2157053
Message no. 4
From: Kelson Kelson@****.net
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:21:38 -0500
> From: Angelkiller 404 <angelkiller404@**********.com>
> To: shadowrn@*********.org
> Subject: Re: Magic/Astral projection question
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 5:04 AM

> Exactly, but in the words of Sean Connery," What do you want me to do,
> kill him again?" A dead body can't take any more damage, so now what?

Okay, my turn. ;)

It's like this. Basically, when you cast spells on the Astral you always
take Physical Damage for drain. If this is enough to kill your Astral
form, your body dies as well. You no longer exist on either plane as a
living being. If, however, your meat body is killed while you are astrally
projecting, your Astral form doesn't die immediately. You are allowed to
roam around for awhile in the Astral and do what you will.

Make sense?

Justin
Message no. 5
From: Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:34:00 -0400
At 08:21 AM 5/12/99 , Kelson wrote:
>> From: Angelkiller 404 <angelkiller404@**********.com>
>> To: shadowrn@*********.org
>> Subject: Re: Magic/Astral projection question
>> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 5:04 AM
>
>> Exactly, but in the words of Sean Connery," What do you want me to do,
>> kill him again?" A dead body can't take any more damage, so now what?

Love that quote, what's it from?

>Okay, my turn. ;)
>
>It's like this. Basically, when you cast spells on the Astral you always
>take Physical Damage for drain. If this is enough to kill your Astral
>form, your body dies as well. You no longer exist on either plane as a
>living being. If, however, your meat body is killed while you are astrally
>projecting, your Astral form doesn't die immediately. You are allowed to
>roam around for awhile in the Astral and do what you will.
>
>Make sense?

Makes sense. I would say start keeping a seperate track of physical damage
done to the astral form after the body had been killed. If he uses up all
ten boxes and goes unconscious, he has lost the last of the cohesion that
his spirit was maintaining and his astral form disipates. This plays well
with the mage who suddenly appears and tries to knock everyone out in
astral space that he can in one final spell, literally burning himself out.

Sommers
Insert witty quote here.
Message no. 6
From: TalonMail@***.com TalonMail@***.com
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:22:58 EDT
"Angelkiller 404" <angelkiller404@**********.com> wrote:
>>>OK, I noticed something. Casting spells through your astral form
inflicts Physical Damage on your body, regardless of what spells are
being cast. However, I've also noticed that an astrally projection
form can last Essence = hours after a projecting mage's body is
killed. Does this mean that the astral form of a dead mage can cast
any spells it wants with impunity?<<<

Nice try but, no. : )

The way I handle it is to "reset" the magician's Damage Tracks to zero at the
moment of his death. Effectively, the astral form becomes a ghost with a
preset lifespan (the magician's remaining essence) and no powers. Casting
spells in the astral causes physical damage as normal. If the astral form
manages to take deadly damage before its time runs out, it disrupts its
remaining structure, and it's gone.

Of course, in some cases, I just turn the astral form into a true ghost (from
MITS) and give it some additional powers. Nothing like geeking a mage's body,
only to find out that his astral form has become a vengeful specter with
Materialization, Paralyzing Howl, and spellcasting abilities. <EGMG>

Steve

Kenson's Cranial Collection
http://members.aol.com/talonmail
Message no. 7
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:52:16 EDT
In a message dated 5/12/99 5:34:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sommers@*****.umich.edu writes:

> Makes sense. I would say start keeping a seperate track of physical damage
> done to the astral form after the body had been killed. If he uses up all
> ten boxes and goes unconscious, he has lost the last of the cohesion that
> his spirit was maintaining and his astral form disipates. This plays well
> with the mage who suddenly appears and tries to knock everyone out in
> astral space that he can in one final spell, literally burning himself out.
>
> Sommers

Nice thought, Sommers, but I'd say make the number of boxes equal to the
remaining Essence the dying spirit has. I think this better matches the
thought that the longer its been since the meat died, the less cohesion the
spirit has and hte less he cn take before dissapating.
Message no. 8
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:18:01 EDT
In a message dated 5/12/1999 12:34:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
TalonMail@***.com writes:

>
> Of course, in some cases, I just turn the astral form into a true ghost (
> from
> MITS) and give it some additional powers. Nothing like geeking a mage's
body,
>
> only to find out that his astral form has become a vengeful specter with
> Materialization, Paralyzing Howl, and spellcasting abilities. <EGMG>
>
Ah HELL Steve, you're being nice now. If that had been an INITIATED mage
that got geeked, then all those nifty metatalents and stuff could be in there
too... ;-P

<EMEGMG>

-K
Message no. 9
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:08:58 -0400
Once upon a time, Steve Kenson wrote;

>Of course, in some cases, I just turn the astral form into a true ghost
>(from MITS) and give it some additional powers. Nothing like geeking a
>mage's body, only to find out that his astral form has become a vengeful
>specter with Materialization, Paralyzing Howl, and spellcasting abilities.
><EGMG>


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Message no. 10
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:13:39 EDT
In a message dated 5/13/1999 11:09:42 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mc23@**********.com writes:

>
> >Of course, in some cases, I just turn the astral form into a true ghost
> >(from MITS) and give it some additional powers. Nothing like geeking a
> >mage's body, only to find out that his astral form has become a vengeful
> >specter with Materialization, Paralyzing Howl, and spellcasting
abilities.
> ><EGMG>
> Strike me down and I will become more powerful, neh?

BOOO HISSS!!!!!

-K
Message no. 11
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:29:05 -0500
>>>Of course, in some cases, I just turn the astral form into a true ghost
>>>(from MITS) and give it some additional powers. Nothing like geeking a
>>>mage's body, only to find out that his astral form has become a vengeful
>>>specter with Materialization, Paralyzing Howl, and spellcasting
abilities.
>>><EGMG>
>>
>> Strike me down and I will become more powerful, neh?
>
>BOOO HISSS!!!!!

You're just mad because you didn't get there first, K.... <eg>

--
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El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 12
From: Barbie LeVile barbie@********.de
Subject: Magic/Astral projection question
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:09:41 +0200
Ereskanti@***.com wrote:
>
> >
> > >Of course, in some cases, I just turn the astral form into a true ghost
> > >(from MITS) and give it some additional powers. Nothing like geeking a
> > >mage's body, only to find out that his astral form has become a vengeful
> > >specter with Materialization, Paralyzing Howl, and spellcasting
> abilities.
> > ><EGMG>
> > Strike me down and I will become more powerful, neh?
>
Well, hehehhehe, we did something like that in our game actualy, one is
Jett, the other char is Barbie ...
Well ok, its was ALOT more behind all this, but the basic is well the
same :)

--
Barbie

SR4 - A power on the raise ...
Another assimilated each week ...

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