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Message no. 1
From: "Wow, Reality. That's a switch" <MHILLIARD@****.ALBION.EDU>
Subject: Re: magick vs science
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 04:13:21 -0500
>Paganism loses a lot of its mystery and perceived power as the laws of
>nature are uncovered by science

*snort*
*snicker*
*laugh*
Yeah, OK, whatever. Believe whatever you want, B'wanda. But the day Science
explains a Nightflyer I'll turn in my antlers.

Phelan
Message no. 2
From: Gareth Owen <glowen1@*****.NHS.GOV.UK>
Subject: Re: magick vs science
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:45:54 +0000
>
> >Paganism loses a lot of its mystery and perceived power as the laws of
> >nature are uncovered by science
>
> *snort*
> *snicker*
> *laugh*
> Yeah, OK, whatever. Believe whatever you want, B'wanda. But the day Science
> explains a Nightflyer I'll turn in my antlers.
>
> Phelan
>
>
A what?

GLO

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Message no. 3
From: Darth Vader <j07c@***.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: magick vs science
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:36:18 +0200
> >Paganism loses a lot of its mystery and perceived power as the laws of
> >nature are uncovered by science

I dont think so, in some weird and mysterious way the human psyche
desires the unknown. People want to believe that there are things that
can not be understood by man, that there are things that hold mans destiny
in their hands.....

> *snort*
> *snicker*
> *laugh*
> Yeah, OK, whatever. Believe whatever you want, B'wanda. But the day Science
> explains a Nightflyer I'll turn in my antlers.

Huh? Whats a nightflyer ??????

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Message no. 4
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: magick vs science
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:14:48 -0700
On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, Wow, Reality. That's a switch wrote:

> Yeah, OK, whatever. Believe whatever you want, B'wanda. But the day Science
> explains a Nightflyer I'll turn in my antlers.

Perhaps if you could explain what you mean by "Nightflyer".
Also, it is a logical fallacy to assume that because something
hasn't been explained it _can't_ be explained.
I happen to have experienced "ki" or "qi" enough times in my
martial arts practice to believe in it, and yet the only satisfactory
theories are Chinese tracts several hundred to several thousands of years
old. Definitely not quite attuned to an occidental science explanation,
although I have read of some attempts there, too.
This does not, to my mind, invalidate science, but rather bring
home the wonders of this infinitely complex Universe.

> Phelan

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Message no. 5
From: Star <KADAMS@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: magick vs science
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:34:12 EST
>
> >Paganism loses a lot of its mystery and perceived power as the
laws of
> >nature are uncovered by science
>
>
> Yeah, OK, whatever. Believe whatever you want, B'wanda. But the
day Science
> explains a Nightflyer I'll turn in my antlers.
>
> Phelan
>

HEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!! I second that!!! Nature losing it's
mystries? I don't think so.




A love that is never can always be obtained, a love that
is lost can never be regained. Think of the ones loved,
and smile.



-Star-
Message no. 6
From: Gareth Owen <glowen1@*****.NHS.GOV.UK>
Subject: Re: magick vs science
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:52:12 +0000
Hmmmm.

As I see it the science known to man covers just a small portion
of the laws of nature, but that portion is increasing and becoming
more accurate all the time (hopefully). Magic and other unexplained
phenomena lie in a region of the laws of nature htat science has yet
to understand. It seems to me that in the SR world a major new theory
is required before magic can be understood by a scientist. The mages
and shamans understand magic well enough to manipulate it, but possibly
don't understand how it works at a fundamental 'physical' level.

I believe all unexplained phenomena are explainable from a scientific
point of view, but scientists have shown a lack of interest in the
'supernatural' which does not do them credit. For example, I believe
the human mind cn do things that modern biology would deny, but that
these things can be explained when biology advances enough.

See the book 'Supernature' by Lyall Watson (?) for a more eloqount (sp)
discussion of this.

GLO

"A sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic"
- and vice versa.



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Message no. 7
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: magick vs science
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:27:50 -0700
For any of you that are interested in, there is a compilation of Short stories
by (can't remember Authors name) under the title Lord Darcy

Lord Darcy is a sleuth like Sherlock Holmes - but his earth has magic in it,
more technology. Basically it is the equivalent of having magic appear in the
1400's instead of the 2000's.

His Dr Watson is Master Sean (something or other) Chief Forensic Sorcerer for
the King of Normandy.

The history of the world basically goes like this. King Richard, when he
started off, wasn't the best kings, just like in our world. In this one though,
instead of dying on a battle field in the Crusades, he was grieviously wounded
but survived, the major effect of the infection from his wound was that it gave
him a personality change - he settled down, married and became a very good and
effective king. From then after, the Plantaginate line has been know for
putting out good and wise kings, this has beeen going on for about the past 800
years, in which the Western part of Europe has come under the benign rule of
the Empire, an ANglo-French Holy Roman Empire. The empire has lasted for those
800 years in good health, twice as long as that of the Roman Empire.

The Empire is also very good, and not very corrupt, this is helped by the fact
of MAGIC.

In the middle ages and before, magic was not understood, and was mostly a hit or
miss thing, where people where afraid. But with the coming of scienctific
thought, magic became understood and predictable. Instead of magic being hit or
miss, those people with the talent and properly trained, could now do magic
consistently.

Of course there is church and state control over magic, but it is benign and in
good faith. Basically you can not practice magic without a license, nor do they
condone Black Magic - magic done with the intent to cause harm.

In all these short stories bring and interesting bent towards the thoughts of
magic and society, - of course the society is rather beign because of magic -
their tech is a little behind where we were at the same time periods - but not
much.

Nightfox

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