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Message no. 1
From: Richard Osterhout <bitrunner@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Magic, the gathering...
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 21:02:10 EDT
magic: the gathering...and other cardbased games:

hey! it ain't shadowrun...i don't play it!

as it is, i'm gettin' ready to pack up my old d&d stuff and take it down to
the hobby store and sell it...i only play once or twice during conventions,
and i need the storage space for all the new shadowrun stuff that will come
out...

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Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 21:04:36 -0500
Finally played it...

I'm addicted....

Anyone know if there is a mailing list about it?

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Message no. 3
From: Timothy Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 00:25:09 -0500
> Anyone know if there is a mailing list about it?

Probably someone knows.

You'd BETTER know about rec.games.deckmaster, at least...

(You know, I bet you just started an off-topic message set. We get to
blame you for that for the next few weeks. <grin>)

----------------------- "Well, you see, they took the Bible literally.
Tim Skirvin Adam and Eve, the snake and the apple...took
(tskirvin@ it word for word. Unfortunately, their
superdec.uni.uiuc.edu) version had a misprint."
----------------------- - Rimmer, Red Dwarf (The Last Day)
Message no. 4
From: "David R. Henry" <dhenry@******.NODAK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 00:21:54 -0500
> Finally played it...

You fool. They should give out the first deck free. Like crack.

> I'm addicted....

See?

> Anyone know if there is a mailing list about it?

Yup. Rat may know it by heart, I don't. gg-l@*******.com is close, though.

Anybody need three Gauntlets of Might? :-)

drh, shadowrn lurker, deciding to lower cloaking shield
Message no. 5
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 11:22:04 -0500
Ok. Could someone explain the aformentioned game to those of us who do
not know (Particularly me)?
How much does a starter cost? If this is the new rave, I think I will
give it a try.



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Ahern T. Stephan
maxim@*******.mankato.msus.edu

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Message no. 6
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 12:04:42 -0500
Um, okay. I just got a friend into this game, and this is what I reccomended
he get:

2 Starter Decks (abt 8.00 each)
2 Booster Packs (abt 2.50 each)
1 Antiquities Pack (abt. 2.50)

He ended up dropping 25 bucks or so, but got some nice cards.

Um, if you want more info, mail me at solstice@****.edu so I don't get yelled
at by TFL.
Message no. 7
From: Lars M Ericson <lericson@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 13:29:34 CDT
Check out the FTP site, marvin.macc.wisc.edu

It should have all your MtG needs.



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Lars M Ericson: Professional Vagabond <lericson@***.edu>
aka Maxwell Von Talos, 7th Generation Tremere
Team Garotte, Founding Member
Registered Member of a Decadent Society

Life is like a Wankel Engine. In between the emptiness of boredom and
despair, and the compression of stress in one's life, there's that
one spark of enjoyment that keeps you going.

QUOTE OF THE WEEK:
"Can I howl for the Bounty Man: the quicker, thicker, picker-upper?"
-- Smoke
--
Message no. 8
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 13:58:55 -0500
On Sun, 1 May 1994, Lars M Ericson wrote:

> Check out the FTP site, marvin.macc.wisc.edu
>
> It should have all your MtG needs.

Alis via WWW at:
http://www.cis.ufl.edu/~thoth/magic/

It has a link to the marvin FTP site.

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Message no. 9
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 18:01:34 -0400
>>>>> "Robert" == Robert A Hayden
<hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> writes:

Robert> Anyone know if there is a mailing list about it?

gg-l@*******.com. It's a listserv just like shadowrn, so you should already
know the drill :)

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Message no. 10
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 18:40:54 -0700
Could we have some discussion about Shadowrun?
I have just subscribed to this list and out of 100+ messages I have
seen only 4 with any relevance to shadowrun. Kind of discouraging....
So, just to start up *some* kind of discussion, what kind of
repercussions do people see as a result of a working AI?
It's been hinted that Renraku, Fuchi, or Transys Neuronet are real
close.... How would such a presence manifest on the Matrix? (And don't
give me Cyberpunk 2.0.2.0. descriptions, please).
Also, anyone have a list of all the new types of nasty IC?
So far we have:
Expert IC
Party IC
Image IC (from Tir na nOg)
Adaptive system architecture (from Pueblo)
Other ideas?

Cordially,

-- Adam
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|Adam Getchell |acgetche@****.engr.ucdavis.edu *or* ez000270@****.ucdavis.edu |
| acgetchell |"Invincibility is in oneself, vulnerability is in the opponent"|
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Message no. 11
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 21:22:39 -0500
On Sun, 1 May 1994, Adam Getchell wrote:

> Could we have some discussion about Shadowrun?

Did you read the FAQ you were mailed? Especially the part about tangent
postings?

> I have just subscribed to this list and out of 100+ messages I have
> seen only 4 with any relevance to shadowrun. Kind of discouraging....

As there is going to be a ShadowRun version of a game similiar to M:tG,
there is some relevance there.

> So, just to start up *some* kind of discussion, what kind of
> repercussions do people see as a result of a working AI?

If it had a proper ethical base, it would probably realize that humans
are inherently screwed up and nuke the planet.

> It's been hinted that Renraku, Fuchi, or Transys Neuronet are real
> close.... How would such a presence manifest on the Matrix? (And don't
> give me Cyberpunk 2.0.2.0. descriptions, please).

Read the first trilogy of SR books.

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Message no. 12
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 20:06:34 -0700
On Sun, 1 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> > I have just subscribed to this list and out of 100+ messages I
have
> > seen only 4 with any relevance to shadowrun. Kind of discouraging....
>
> As there is going to be a ShadowRun version of a game similiar to M:tG,
> there is some relevance there.
>
Pardon me, but I was referring to messages with congratulations
to people concerning their masters degrees, people talking to other people
about things the entire mailing list has no reference to, and so forth.
While these are certainly interesting to the parties involved I do not
think the listreaders at large felt that they are discussions of Shadowrun.
I humbly beg your pardon, as you are the administrator, but I have
received several emails congratulating me for trying to get the discussion
on track. I did read your FAQ and I meant no offense.
I do, privately, in my own opinion, disagree with the idea that a
Magic:The Gathering discussion has relevance to Shadowrun, especially
one considering how many packs one should start with and a blow-by-blow
account of a game.

> Read the first trilogy of SR books.

Didn't like them too much, seemed subject to inflation especially
the Daniel-Howling-Coyote bit.

Cordially,

-- Adam
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|Adam Getchell |acgetche@****.engr.ucdavis.edu *or* ez000270@****.ucdavis.edu |
| acgetchell |"Invincibility is in oneself, vulnerability is in the opponent"|
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Message no. 13
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 23:28:03 -0400
On Sun, 1 May 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert A Hayden
<hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> writes:
>
> Robert> Anyone know if there is a mailing list about it?
>
> gg-l@*******.com. It's a listserv just like shadowrn, so you should already
> know the drill :)
>
There's also gg-trading-l, for trading cards (and, way too often,
auctioning them off). I and some others are trying to get the auctions
moved to a seperate list.

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"The Ogre philosopher Gnerdel beleived the purpose of life
was to live as high on the food chain as possible.
She refused to eat vegetarians, and preferred to live entirely
on creatures that preyed on sentient beings."
-Magic: The Gathering "Grey Ogre"
Message no. 14
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 22:35:37 -0500
On Sun, 1 May 1994, Adam Getchell wrote:

> Pardon me, but I was referring to messages with congratulations
> to people concerning their masters degrees, people talking to other people
> about things the entire mailing list has no reference to, and so forth.
> While these are certainly interesting to the parties involved I do not
> think the listreaders at large felt that they are discussions of Shadowrun.

This is a very close list, and the ideas and discussion is a direct
result of the closeness. Thus, you will continue to see conversations
like that.

> I humbly beg your pardon, as you are the administrator, but I have
> received several emails congratulating me for trying to get the discussion
> on track. I did read your FAQ and I meant no offense.

There are around 280 or so people on this list right now, and perhaps a
total of about 1,000 come and go during a year. The number of complaints
per year are in the single digits. People like it this way.

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Message no. 15
From: Joshua James Harrison <harrij4@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 23:41:33 -0400
On May 1, 8:06pm, Adam Getchell wrote:
> Pardon me, but I was referring to messages with congratulations
> to people concerning their masters degrees, people talking to other people
> about things the entire mailing list has no reference to, and so forth.
> While these are certainly interesting to the parties involved I do not
> think the listreaders at large felt that they are discussions of Shadowrun.

No, they aren'. However, when you've been on the list for a while (as many
people have) you come to know the people around here, and you care about more
than just SR. As you said, you're new to the list, and this isn't meant as a
flame or anything, but you'l understand what I'm talking about in a month or
so.

Yeah, there is some tangential stuff that happens... but we do try and keep it
to a minimum. :-)

> I humbly beg your pardon, as you are the administrator, but I have
> received several emails congratulating me for trying to get the discussion
> on track. I did read your FAQ and I meant no offense.

I know you didn't... and I'm sure the rest of us, knowing that you are new,
will forgive you as well (meaning no carps will come flying your way *grin*).
If things get really out of hand, Rob and Doom will put a stop to it, have no
fear of that.

> I do, privately, in my own opinion, disagree with the idea that a
> Magic:The Gathering discussion has relevance to Shadowrun, especially
> one considering how many packs one should start with and a blow-by-blow
> account of a game.

I can see your point. I don't really care. If people want to talk about stuff
only vaguely related to SR, that's their business. Who says you have to read
everything that comes out of this list? I don't. Skip the topics that are
getting dull (or irrelevant), and read the ones you like. If you don't like
the discussion, start one of your own. We don't mind (really, we don't).

Just relax a little. No need to get worked up over stuff that really doesn't
matter in the grand scheme of things.

All right... I've preached enough here... back to work... :-)


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Message no. 16
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 23:45:26 -0400
On Sun, 1 May 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> > While these are certainly interesting to the parties involved I do not
> > think the listreaders at large felt that they are discussions of Shadowrun.
>
> This is a very close list, and the ideas and discussion is a direct
> result of the closeness. Thus, you will continue to see conversations
> like that.

I agree -- we're all friends here. The people who don't "fit in"
at first usually either fade away or learn to understand what really goes
on with this list.

> There are around 280 or so people on this list right now, and perhaps a
> total of about 1,000 come and go during a year. The number of complaints
> per year are in the single digits. People like it this way.

You got that right, oh Fearless Leader! *grin*

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Jai Tao | "Beyond your tunnel vision reality fades
jdfalk@****.com | Like shadows into the night."
-Pink Floyd
Message no. 17
From: Jeff Norrell <norrell@*******.ME.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 08:03:38 CDT
Just wanted to add my two bits... I just joined this group myself. I read the
messages I find interesting and skip the ones I don't.

Besides, being a graduate student myself, it's good to hear that some people
actually graduate... I've still got several years to go on a Ph.D.

Just some friendly advice from me to all of you... Don't do it. Get a real
job and make some money.

Now... Back to Shadowrun.

-Blade
Message no. 18
From: Pieter Van Dyck <Pieter.VanDyck@***.AC.BE>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 19:19:27 +0200
On Sun, 1 May 1994, Gian-Paolo Musumeci wrote:

>
> 2 Starter Decks (abt 8.00 each)
> 2 Booster Packs (abt 2.50 each)
> 1 Antiquities Pack (abt. 2.50)
>
Mind, on my side of the water (Ancients) prices are about double.
Grundlord.
Message no. 19
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic: The Gathering
Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 17:32:57 -0500
True. That's abt 50 bucks. Well, hell...how much do you want to get into this
game...=)

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