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Message no. 1
From: Jod <chatin@*******.NL>
Subject: Magic user questions...
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:45:28 +0200
Hya all!

Just a short question here.

One of my players choos the street mage Archtype. That's no problem, but, he
has to choose an 'orientation' in his magic styles. Now I was wondering. Are
these the only spells he knows? It are not very much, IMO, but the force
ratings are quite high.m Totalled they woul b-come 15 points, which is
priority D. But he has 10,300 nuyen.... strange.. Any clarification would be
welcome. And offered some tea. Allright, and a cookie too.... :)

Second, I was wondering, the same player has bought high-lifesyle (Which is
an interesting adventure hook. He has to run to maintain hie lifestyle..
:)). Does this lifestyle include sorcery and/or conjuring libraries?? I
mean, you _do_ pay 10.000 nuyen for it..

Well, that's it.

Thanx in advance,

Jod
chatin@*******.nl
Message no. 2
From: niteGlo Messiah <levbar@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:15:12 -0400
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Jod wrote:

> Hya all!
>
> Just a short question here.
>
> One of my players choos the street mage Archtype. That's no problem, but, he
> has to choose an 'orientation' in his magic styles. Now I was wondering. Are
> these the only spells he knows? It are not very much, IMO, but the force
> ratings are quite high.m Totalled they woul b-come 15 points, which is
> priority D. But he has 10,300 nuyen.... strange.. Any clarification would be
> welcome. And offered some tea. Allright, and a cookie too.... :)

Here it is, Jod:

New, aren't you?

You are not really supposed to play archtypes. The orientations are
supposed to represent possible NPC's. His prioriries are D, but he rolled
3D6 to determine to determine his starting cash (3D6 x 1000 nuyen). The
300 extra comes from the fact that he had, after buying all his equipment,
he probably had 3000 nuyen left out of the 5000 he got from priority D.
(This is all in the SRII sourcebook, under Character Creation)

Glad to be of help

Metal Phoenix
Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:36:01 -0700
> One of my players choos the street mage Archtype. That's no problem, but, he
> has to choose an 'orientation' in his magic styles. Now I was wondering. Are
> these the only spells he knows? It are not very much, IMO, but the force
> ratings are quite high.

I've always let players rearrange the spells to their choosing (so long,
of course, as they stay within the 15 Force Point total). If they want
more spells, all at a lower Force, go for it.

> Totalled they would become 15 points, which is
> priority D. But he has 10,300 nuyen.... strange.. Any clarification would be
> welcome. And offered some tea. Allright, and a cookie too.... :)

IIRC, the Street Mage (and all the archetypes, for that matter) have a
standard amount of yen rather than the 3d6x1000 starting yen that
roll-your-own characters have.

> Second, I was wondering, the same player has bought high-lifesyle (Which is
> an interesting adventure hook. He has to run to maintain hie lifestyle..
> :)). Does this lifestyle include sorcery and/or conjuring libraries?? I
> mean, you _do_ pay 10.000 nuyen for it..

I've never liked the SR "Lifestyles" concept and refuse to use them.
But think about it: a High lifestyle itself is 10,000 nuyen a month; an
expensive library like that is extraneous to the baseline material a
lifestyle is supposed to provide. I mean, a High lifestyle is supposed
to provide a car as well; do you let the player have a Westwind as well?
Message no. 4
From: Jod <chatin@*******.NL>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:03:40 +0200
>Here it is, Jod:
>
>New, aren't you?
**Yup, I'm green. As green as something... well... very green. :)


>You are not really supposed to play archtypes. The orientations are
>supposed to represent possible NPC's. His prioriries are D, but he rolled
>3D6 to determine to determine his starting cash (3D6 x 1000 nuyen). The
>300 extra comes from the fact that he had, after buying all his equipment,
>he probably had 3000 nuyen left out of the 5000 he got from priority D.
>(This is all in the SRII sourcebook, under Character Creation)

*You aren't supposed to choos on of teh archtypes?? But I thought they said
you could... Here, on page 44, they say 'Players who want to jump right into
Shadowrun can just choose one of the Archtypes'.
Thanx for the money bit.


>Glad to be of help
>
>Metal Phoenix

Thanx,

Jod
chatin@*******.nl
Message no. 5
From: Jod <chatin@*******.NL>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:03:42 +0200
>I've always let players rearrange the spells to their choosing (so long,
>of course, as they stay within the 15 Force Point total). If they want
>more spells, all at a lower Force, go for it.
**Thanx, I think I'll do that.

<<SNIP>>
>> Second, I was wondering, the same player has bought high-lifesyle (Which is
>> an interesting adventure hook. He has to run to maintain hie lifestyle..
>> :)). Does this lifestyle include sorcery and/or conjuring libraries?? I
>> mean, you _do_ pay 10.000 nuyen for it..
>
>I've never liked the SR "Lifestyles" concept and refuse to use them.
>But think about it: a High lifestyle itself is 10,000 nuyen a month; an
>expensive library like that is extraneous to the baseline material a
>lifestyle is supposed to provide. I mean, a High lifestyle is supposed
>to provide a car as well; do you let the player have a Westwind as well?

**Well, no, I don't give him a Westwind. He _does_ has a small cinema (Or
whatever it is in 2053 :)), but it doesn't make any profit. SO, should he
have one of the libraries?? What lvl. if so??

Thanx in advance, and I hope I'm not tiring y'all with obvious questions. :)

CU'round,

Jod
chatin@*******.nl
Message no. 6
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:37:56 -0500
At 04-Sep-97 wrote Jod:

[snip]
>Second, I was wondering, the same player has bought high-lifesyle (Which is
>an interesting adventure hook. He has to run to maintain hie lifestyle..
>:)). Does this lifestyle include sorcery and/or conjuring libraries?? I
>mean, you _do_ pay 10.000 nuyen for it..

No, they must be bought seperatly.
Thing over what is all included in a high livestyle:
A nice big apartment, REAL food, some decent security, house service
and a nice and expensive car.....
And is in a todays high class houses a libray of secret konwledge as
standart, I would say no.

--
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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:43:11 +0100
|*You aren't supposed to choos on of teh archtypes?? But I thought they said
|you could... Here, on page 44, they say 'Players who want to jump right into
|Shadowrun can just choose one of the Archtypes'.
|Thanx for the money bit.

Correct.
Archetypes are for player use.
(Especially beginning players)

Whatever gave Pheonix ideas to the contrary I have no idea...

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Message no. 8
From: MCP <mikepaff@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:34:02 -0400
At 03:45 PM 9/4/97 +0200, you wrote:
>One of my players choos the street mage Archtype. That's no problem, but, he
>has to choose an 'orientation' in his magic styles. Now I was wondering. Are
>these the only spells he knows? It are not very much, IMO, but the force
>ratings are quite high.m Totalled they woul b-come 15 points, which is
>priority D. But he has 10,300 nuyen.... strange.. Any clarification would be
>welcome. And offered some tea. Allright, and a cookie too.... :)
>
The starting cash includes the 3D6 x 1000 Y that characters get (page 47).

>Second, I was wondering, the same player has bought high-lifesyle (Which is
>an interesting adventure hook. He has to run to maintain his lifestyle.
>:)). Does this lifestyle include sorcery and/or conjuring libraries?? I
>mean, you _do_ pay 10.000 nuyen for it..
>
I would say not. After all, everyone else pays 10,000 Y/month for a high
lifestyle. He would have a nice place to store his library though. :)

MCP

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Message no. 9
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:37:16 EDT
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:03:40 +0200 Jod <chatin@*******.NL> writes:

>*You aren't supposed to choos on of teh archtypes?? But I thought they
said
>you could... Here, on page 44, they say 'Players who want to jump right
into
>Shadowrun can just choose one of the Archtypes'.

Ignore what MP said about archtypes... they are completely fair game to
play. It's just that after a few games most people choose to generate
their *own* unique characters (one of the best things about SR... no
'classes' or predefined groupings you're forced to choose from) rather
than rely on the pre-generated examples given in the book.

Use them as long as you want, they're good stepping stones (not to
mention great for quickie random NPCs), but eventually you and your
players will be itching to try things that the archtypes don't cover, or
just do some tweaking, and you'll move on to doing the work yourself...

~Tim
Message no. 10
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:20:31 -0400
At 03:45 PM 9/4/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Hya all!
>
>Just a short question here.
>
>One of my players choos the street mage Archtype. That's no problem, but,=
he
>has to choose an 'orientation' in his magic styles. Now I was wondering.=
Are
>these the only spells he knows?

Yep that's it.


>It are not very much, IMO, but the force
>ratings are quite high.m Totalled they woul b-come 15 points, which is
>priority D. But he has 10,300 nuyen.... strange.. Any clarification would=
be
>welcome. And offered some tea. Allright, and a cookie too.... :)

He also has 3d6 x 1000 ¥ built into that. But many of the archetypes are=
to
say the least funny.

>Second, I was wondering, the same player has bought high-lifesyle (Which is
>an interesting adventure hook. He has to run to maintain hie lifestyle..
>:)). Does this lifestyle include sorcery and/or conjuring libraries??


No.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.=
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I summon the unholy demons of Apathy, Sarcasm and Cynicism!!

Wally from the Dilbert comics

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Message no. 11
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:23:37 -0400
>New, aren't you?
>
>You are not really supposed to play archtypes.

Bull. They archetypes are intended for play.

>The orientations are supposed to represent possible NPC's.

Wrong. They are their to give a player a choice.



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I summon the unholy demons of Apathy, Sarcasm and Cynicism!!

Wally from the Dilbert comics

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Document Classified
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Message no. 12
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:28:05 -0400
At 01:23 AM 9/5/97 -0400, NightLife wrote these timeless words:
>>New, aren't you?
>>
>>You are not really supposed to play archtypes.
>
>Bull. They archetypes are intended for play.
>
What?

Oh, wait... For a second I thought you were talking to me...:]

<grin>

Bull
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Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Magic user questions...
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:25:06 +0100
Jod said on 15:45/ 4 Sep 97...

> One of my players choos the street mage Archtype. That's no problem, but, he
> has to choose an 'orientation' in his magic styles. Now I was wondering. Are
> these the only spells he knows? It are not very much, IMO, but the force
> ratings are quite high.m Totalled they woul b-come 15 points, which is
> priority D.

You can just let the player choose any spells he wants, as long as their
Force ratings don't go over 15.

> But he has 10,300 nuyen....

He has 1,020 nuyen worth of gear, plus the 10,300 starting cash. There is
no way to make that fit with any starting money, although one attempt is
this: the 10,300 already includes the 3D6x1000 nuyen. This explains why
he has more than 500 (his Resources money divided by 10). If you want to
do this character by the book, give him 398 nuyen, let the player roll
3D6x1000, and add the two together.

> Second, I was wondering, the same player has bought high-lifesyle (Which is
> an interesting adventure hook. He has to run to maintain hie lifestyle..
> :)). Does this lifestyle include sorcery and/or conjuring libraries?? I
> mean, you _do_ pay 10.000 nuyen for it..

It doesn't. All you get for your Lifestyle payments are a place to live
and the costs associated with it, like food, water, cleaning, security,
and so on. Depending on how you read the description on page 189 of SRII,
he might get a car out of the deal as well (not in my game, BTW).

Due to the really high costs of a magical library, I'd say the lifestyl
doesn't include a private one, although it could very well include
access to a members-only library. However, I wouldn't mention this unless
the player asks about it.

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