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Message no. 1
From: Jan-bart van Beek <flake@***.NL>
Subject: Manipulation spell 2
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 21:09:53 +0200
Damion said : (TM)

>> Fasa has always made it very clear that Manipulation spells are visible,
>> because the power travels over the prime as well as over the astral plane.
>
>Actually, they've only specified Damaging Manipulations, and a couple of
>other specific spells such as Barrier.>
>
>> Is there an obvious line of energy between the mage and the target of the
>> spell.
>
>Nope, since only Damaging Manipulations are obviously visible, then things
>like Control Emotions have no obvious physical presence.

Read the section on 'Spells and Astral space', I checked it last night
to make sure.
It says something like:
"Now Manipulation spells work a little differently, they traverse the
same
distance in physical as well as astral space."

I guess when they say manipulations they mean all manipulations.

Better put myself up for that guru-thingy position too. :)

Flake is watching ya all.
See ya.

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Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Manipulation spell 2
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 11:35:27 +0200
>"Now Manipulation spells work a little differently, they traverse the
>same
>distance in physical as well as astral space."
>
>I guess when they say manipulations they mean all manipulations.

You're proposing that, if someone casts, say, a Control Actions or Levitate,
a burst of magical energy is visible flying to the target. I'd say it
doesn't happen. OTOH, FASA pictures of magicians always have them with this
bubble of energy around their hands, so maybe it does happen. A question for
the DLOH, maybe? Or, of course, you could simply throw it on the big heap of
"noticing spellcasting," let the players/NPCs roll a test, and tell them
they notice the casting if they roll high enough...

>Better put myself up for that guru-thingy position too. :)

I think you first need more experience with SR and less with **&* :)


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Message no. 3
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Manipulation spell 2
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 15:19:12 +1000
Jan-bart van Beek writes:

> Read the section on 'Spells and Astral space', I checked it last night
> to make sure. It says something like:
> "Now Manipulation spells work a little differently, they traverse the
> same distance in physical as well as astral space."
>
> I guess when they say manipulations they mean all manipulations.

Hmm, so it does. I'd never though about it that way, I'd only ever had
Damaging Manipulations visible on the physical as they travelled from caster
to target. And I think I'll stick with that. It makes little sense if the
Armour spell I cast on my buddy seems to fly out of my hands and imbed
itself in him. Note that even if you rule that such a spell has an obvious
physical effect between the caster and target when cast, there is nothing
that says such an effect is there while the spell is sustained (but then
again there's nothing that says there isn't either). So there need not be a
"line" of energy between the caster and the victim udner the influence of a
Control Emotions spell. Actually, only those spells which were Physical
would have physical effects, those spells which were Mana wouldn't, simply
becasue they're not Physical spells. Now, also, think about it this way. If
we follow the rules on pg 151 about cover, Barrier Ratings and Manipulation
spells, then when I cast a Control Actions on someone through a window, they
get to add one half the Barrier Rating of the window to their Impact armour.
Does that at all make any sense to you? No, it doens't to me either. What the
heck has the +1/2 Barrier Rating got to do with a Control Thoughts spell?
Bugger all. I'd say that the rules on pg 150 only apply to Damaging
Manipulation spells, becuase of that particualr bit, and so therefore the
other bits of rules on pg 150 also only apply to Damaging Manipulation
spells, which menas that only Damaging Manipulation spells have the physical
effects between the caster and target.

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