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Message no. 1
From: Kage-kami <KHONEY@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Martial artists
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:10:52 EST
This may be a thread off of the subject, but how many of you out
there are martial artists. I am interested in talking about the arts.
Does anyone know if there is a net dedicated to martial arts?




Kage-kami


"It would grieve me to kill you,
But you are very much in my way."
Message no. 2
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:56:12 -0500
On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Kage-kami wrote:

> This may be a thread off of the subject, but how many of you out
> there are martial artists. I am interested in talking about the arts.
> Does anyone know if there is a net dedicated to martial arts?

I have studied various martial arts for many a moon now. I too
would be interested in a martial arts-related net or news group. Maybe we
could call it "butt-kickers anonymous"

Marc
Message no. 3
From: Skrub <mccllstr@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:35:18 -0500
>This may be a thread off of the subject, but how many of you out
>there are martial artists. I am interested in talking about the arts.
>Does anyone know if there is a net dedicated to martial arts?

I'm far from dedicated, but have studied a a couple of forms :)I cannot
continue though because I tend to spar too hard, too often, and enjoy it too
much. I'm told I lack control :)

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Message no. 4
From: Constitutional Peasant <jthomson@******.BATES.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:41:07 -0500
>
> This may be a thread off of the subject, but how many of you out
> there are martial artists. I am interested in talking about the arts.
> Does anyone know if there is a net dedicated to martial arts?
>
>
>
>
> Kage-kami
>
>
> "It would grieve me to kill you,
> But you are very much in my way."
>

There's at least two of us, then. I've taken Tae Kwon Do for
roughly ten years. There is a rec.martial-arts forum, but it's been
largely taken over by people bragging about which m-a or artist is best.
There are some exceptions, however. I don't know of any lists dedicated
to m-a but I'd sure like to find one or more, if anyone out there knows of
such.
--Josh
Message no. 5
From: Ryan Lee <shinobi@***.IT.BOND.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:08:37 +60000
For karate try subscribing at listserv@*******.cc.ukans.edu
for aikido try "subscribe aikido-l <name>" at listerv@********.bitnet

Although warning:the aikido list is pretty hard to understand if you don't
actually do it. I myself unsubscribed to it pretty quickly. Not saying
aikido is bad, just that I don't understand it.

There's also a rec.martial arts newsgroup on usenet.

Would other martial artists contact me. i've got a piece of philosophy I
want fleshed out. Private mail please.

shinobi@***.it.bond.edu.au

Later pplz:)

On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Marc A Renouf wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Kage-kami wrote:
>
> > This may be a thread off of the subject, but how many of you out
> > there are martial artists. I am interested in talking about the arts.
> > Does anyone know if there is a net dedicated to martial arts?
>
> I have studied various martial arts for many a moon now. I too
> would be interested in a martial arts-related net or news group. Maybe we
> could call it "butt-kickers anonymous"
>
> Marc
>
Message no. 6
From: Gareth Owen <glowen1@*****.NHS.GOV.UK>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:11:58 +0000
>
> This may be a thread off of the subject, but how many of you out
> there are martial artists. I am interested in talking about the arts.
> Does anyone know if there is a net dedicated to martial arts?
>
> Kage-kami
>
> "It would grieve me to kill you,
> But you are very much in my way."

I wouldn't exactly call myself a martial artist, but I've been
studying Goju-Ryu and Shotokan Karate for a a few months now (off
and on).

GLO

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Message no. 7
From: Alexander Borghgraef <Alexander.Borghgraef@***.AC.BE>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:07:23 --100
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Message no. 8
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:28:03 -0500
On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Alexander Borghgraef wrote:

> I've been doing iai-do for a couple of months and have just begun doing
> ninjutsu.

Yes! Finally, another who is studying Ninjutsu! Is your school
part of the Bujinkan? How serious is it? Traditional or "new Wave" ninpo?

By the way...what the frag is iai do? Just curious

Marc
Message no. 9
From: Jason Larke <jlarke@**.ITD.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:09:44 -0500
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Nov 1994 15:28:03 EST, Marc A Renouf
>>>>> <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU> said:

MAR> By the way...what the frag is iai do? Just curious
MAR> Marc

Iaijutsu is the martial art of drawing a sword really,
really fast and integrating the draw into the opening
(killing) blow. Iaido is probably the same thing.
Message no. 10
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:36:21 -0500
On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Kage-kami wrote:

> This may be a thread off of the subject, but how many of you out
> there are martial artists. I am interested in talking about the arts.
> Does anyone know if there is a net dedicated to martial arts?

The 'net is dedicated to transmission of data; however, I beleive
that some _parts_ of the 'net are dedicated to the martial arts. The
most likely place to start is the newsgroup 'rec.martial-arts', and I've
heard rumours of mailing lists for specific disciplines.

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Message no. 11
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:15:50 -0500
On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Jason Larke wrote:

> Iaijutsu is the martial art of drawing a sword really,
> really fast and integrating the draw into the opening
> (killing) blow. Iaido is probably the same thing.

Got it. We do something like this in Ninjutsu as well. I didn't
know there was another whole art devoted to it. Cool.

Marc
Message no. 12
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Martial artists
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:24:45 -0500
>>>>> "Marc" == Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
writes:

Marc> Got it. We do something like this in Ninjutsu as well. I didn't
Marc> know there was another whole art devoted to it. Cool.

I don't want to start a flame war but being something of an historian when
it comes to ninjustu, I just have to say that if you're learning it in a
school somewhere then it's probably not "real" ninjustu. I say that simply
because we historians cannot really agree what "real" ninja really were.

But yes, iaido/iaijutsu is a dedicated art that parallels kendo/kenjutsu
very closely.

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Message no. 13
From: Kage-kami <KHONEY@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:50:05 EST
> >>>>> "Marc" == Marc A Renouf
<jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
writes:
>
> Marc> Got it. We do something like this in Ninjutsu as well. I didn't
> Marc> know there was another whole art devoted to it. Cool.
>
> I don't want to start a flame war but being something of an historian
when
> it comes to ninjustu, I just have to say that if you're learning it in a
> school somewhere then it's probably not "real" ninjustu. I say that
simply
> because we historians cannot really agree what "real" ninja really
were.
>
> But yes, iaido/iaijutsu is a dedicated art that parallels
kendo/kenjutsu
> very closely.
>
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>

Come on Rat, spit it out, I know what you really want to ask

Koga or Iga clan? By writting about it over E-Mail I can
already guess.

Either way Marc, its pretty cool and
I look foreward to speaking to you
more about Ninpo.





Kage-kami


"It would grieve me to kill you,
But you are very much in my way."
Message no. 14
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Martial artists
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:00:29 -0500
>>>>> "Kage-kami" == Kage-kami <KHONEY@*****.VINU.edu>
writes:

Kage-kami> Come on Rat, spit it out, I know what you really want to ask
Kage-kami> Koga or Iga clan? By writting about it over E-Mail I can already
Kage-kami> guess.

Heh, cute.

No, my opinion is that the "real" ninja are the professoinal spies first
described by Sun Tzu, and later mercenary ronin. Contrary to popular
belief, the samurai who followed Bushido was a rarity, and what was a
masterless soldier to do but sell his blade to those who would pay.

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Message no. 15
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:17:49 -0500
On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> I don't want to start a flame war but being something of an historian when
> it comes to ninjustu, I just have to say that if you're learning it in a
> school somewhere then it's probably not "real" ninjustu. I say that simply
> because we historians cannot really agree what "real" ninja really were.

No, don't start a flame war. Yes, I take "real" Ninjutsu. It's
not all about mystical powers, amazing feats of contortionism, etc. It's
about hurting people alot in a very small amount of time. It's about
cheating in combat ( but you ask, "Combat has no rules, how can you
cheat?" to which I reply, "just come to my class and see."). It deals
with the nine ryu of traditional ninjutsu, only four of whuch are
actually "ninja" styles (gotta love Togakure Ryu!). My art has been
passed down for over 900 years, and even if historians don't agree on
*what* ninja were, the art of what they *did* is still very old.
But yes, I will agree. Quite a bit of nijutsu has been so
popularized that it bears little or no resemblance to ninpo. I can
almost see Hatsumi-sensei's frown of contempt at the modern "Learn to be
a Ninja!" ninjutsu schools.

Marc
Message no. 16
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Martial artists
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:26:29 -0500
>>>>> "Marc" == Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
writes:

Marc> But yes, I will agree. Quite a bit of nijutsu has been so
Marc> popularized that it bears little or no resemblance to ninpo. I can
Marc> almost see Hatsumi-sensei's frown of contempt at the modern "Learn to
Marc> be a Ninja!" ninjutsu schools.

Hey! "Ninja Town" (Iga-Ueno, in the Mie prefecture) is one of the biggest
tourist traps... ah, theme parks! that's it! in Japan :).

BTW, is that Hatsumi Masaaki-sensei you speak of? Just wondering, because
he is probably the foremost historian of Ninja today.

Another BTW, one of the better historical texts on Ninja, in English, is
_NINJA: The True Story of Japan's Secret Warrior Cult_, by Stephen
Turnbull. Don't let the pretentious title turn you away--there's a lot of
neat and useful information in this book.

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Message no. 17
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Martial artists
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:01:59 -0500
On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> BTW, is that Hatsumi Masaaki-sensei you speak of? Just wondering, because
> he is probably the foremost historian of Ninja today.

Yep, the same. In addition to beinga veritable repository of
Ninpo history, he is also the Grand Master of the Bujinkan, of which my
school is a part.

Marc

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