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Message no. 1
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@******.UOW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Masking Quickenings
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 20:30:07 +0000
I know this was discussed before, but I can't remember the decision made.

Can initiates use the masking power to mask quickened spells?

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Message no. 2
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:39:57 +0100
In reply to Damion Milliken .....

> Can initiates use the masking power to mask quickened spells?

Strictly according to the rules no. But many GM's would allow their players
to do so.

Phill.
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Message no. 3
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 09:39:22 +1000
The Powerhouse:

> In reply to Damion Milliken .....
>

> > Can initiates use the masking power to mask quickened spells?
>

> Strictly according to the rules no. But many GM's would allow their players
> to do so.

I think the relevant section of the grimoire says that Masking can be used to
make the initiate's aura look like:
1) that of a mundane's
2) that of an ordinary magician
Ok? And then, on the facing page, it has an illustration which strongly
suggests that a mage can mask himself as anything from an ordinary joe, to
a demon, to a flayed skull.

In our campaign we allow masking of quickenings, and masking as other things.
I wish we didn't, it really makes initiated mages much more powerful. Sigh.

luke
Message no. 4
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@******.UOW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 20:14:52 +0000
luke writes:

> I think the relevant section of the grimoire says that Masking can be used to
> make the initiate's aura look like:
> 1) that of a mundane's
> 2) that of an ordinary magician
> Ok? And then, on the facing page, it has an illustration which strongly
> suggests that a mage can mask himself as anything from an ordinary joe, to
> a demon, to a flayed skull.

This sounds fine to me. You can mask your aura to look like something it isn't,
so you can make that something _really_ bizzare and hideous if you wish to
stand out like a sore thumb.

> In our campaign we allow masking of quickenings, and masking as other things.
> I wish we didn't, it really makes initiated mages much more powerful. Sigh.

How do you rate the amounts of quickenings you can mask? For foci I think it
says one point of foci rating per initiate level. How do you do it for
quickenings? One point of force per initiate level, or one quickening per
initiate level? If you allow one quickening per initiate level, then I can
see why mages are rather tough.

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Message no. 5
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@*******.UPS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 21:57:18 -0700
Quickenings are not foci thus they cannot be masked.

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Message no. 6
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:25:41 +1000
Damion Milliken writes:

> > I think the relevant section of the grimoire says that Masking can be used
> > to make the initiate's aura look like:
> > 1) that of a mundane's
> > 2) that of an ordinary magician
> > Ok? And then, on the facing page, it has an illustration which strongly
> > suggests that a mage can mask himself as anything from an ordinary joe, to
> > a demon, to a flayed skull.
>

> This sounds fine to me. You can mask your aura to look like something it
isn't,
> so you can make that something _really_ bizzare and hideous if you wish to
> stand out like a sore thumb.

Well, normally one masking makes the aura appear the same as a Mask spell,
and there's a masking on the Mask spell to hide it. Sometimes the masking
is used to appear to be a hearth spirit, during the astral scouting phase.

> > In our campaign we allow masking of quickenings, and masking as other
> > things. I wish we didn't, it really makes initiated mages much more
> > powerful. Sigh.

> How do you rate the amounts of quickenings you can mask? For foci I think it
> says one point of foci rating per initiate level. How do you do it for
> quickenings? One point of force per initiate level, or one quickening per
> initiate level? If you allow one quickening per initiate level, then I can
> see why mages are rather tough.

We do it the wrong way, I see from the above - one quickening per initiate
level.

luke
Message no. 7
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@******.UOW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:15:10 +0000
luke writes:

> > This sounds fine to me. You can mask your aura to look like something it
> isn't,
> > so you can make that something _really_ bizzare and hideous if you wish to
> > stand out like a sore thumb.
>
> Well, normally one masking makes the aura appear the same as a Mask spell,
> and there's a masking on the Mask spell to hide it. Sometimes the masking
> is used to appear to be a hearth spirit, during the astral scouting phase.

That seems perfectly alright to me, just remember a patrolling elemental will
treat another spirit the same way it would treat a magician.

> > How do you rate the amounts of quickenings you can mask? For foci I think it
> > says one point of foci rating per initiate level. How do you do it for
> > quickenings? One point of force per initiate level, or one quickening per
> > initiate level? If you allow one quickening per initiate level, then I can
> > see why mages are rather tough.
>
> We do it the wrong way, I see from the above - one quickening per initiate
> level.

Well, technically, both ways are wrong. Niether fo them are actually in the
rules. Its just that the method of one quicekning per initiate level makes
the ability much more powerful, perhaps too powerful.

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Message no. 8
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:36:16 -0400
On Mon, 8 Aug 1994, Jason Carter, Nightstalker wrote:

> Quickenings are not foci thus they cannot be masked.
>

We allow quickenings to be masked, but each force point of quickening
counts as a rating of foci. So a Grade 2 initiate could effectively mask
a Force 1 quickening and a Spell Lock, for example.

Marc
Message no. 9
From: Ivy Ryan <ivyryan@***.ORG>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:56:58 -0700
Here I am again...

On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, Damion Milliken wrote:

> luke writes:
>
> > > This sounds fine to me. You can mask your aura to look like something it
> > isn't,
> >
> > Well, normally one masking makes the aura appear the same as a Mask spell,
> > and there's a masking on the Mask spell to hide it. Sometimes the masking
>
> That seems perfectly alright to me, just remember a patrolling elemental will
> treat another spirit the same way it would treat a magician.

Masking can make an initiate look like a mundane. Period. Nothing else.
GRII, pg.46, 1st line.

> > > How do you rate the amounts of quickenings you can mask? For foci I think
it
> > > says one point of foci rating per initiate level. How do you do it for
> > > quickenings? One point of force per initiate level, or one quickening per
> > > initiate level? If you allow one quickening per initiate level, then I can
> > > see why mages are rather tough.
> >
> > We do it the wrong way, I see from the above - one quickening per initiate
> > level.
>
> Well, technically, both ways are wrong. Niether fo them are actually in the
> rules. Its just that the method of one quicekning per initiate level makes
> the ability much more powerful, perhaps too powerful.

Actually the rules are that an Initiate can mask one Force point of magic
per level of initiation. Doesn't matter if that Force point is a Spell
Lock or a Focus or a Quickening. One Force point per level.

Mages are powerful, but if the rules are followed they are not
"all-powerful". If a GM lets a mage get away with things though, they
are cheating all of their other players.

Ivy
Message no. 10
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@*******.UPS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 22:20:27 -0700
Masking can be used for several purposes. They are as follows (qoutes from
Grimoire II page 46):

1) Masking Aura to appear as a mundane. "Masking hides the true nature of the
magician's aura, allowing him to appear as a mundane."

2) Masking aura to appear as a non-initiated magician. "The initiate can,
however, choose to make his astral body look like a normal magician's instead
of an initiate's."

3) Masking Foci. "The masking described above covers the magician himself
and a number of Rating Points of foci."

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Message no. 11
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@******.UOW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 00:27:46 +0000
Ivy writes:

> Actually the rules are that an Initiate can mask one Force point of magic
> per level of initiation. Doesn't matter if that Force point is a Spell
> Lock or a Focus or a Quickening. One Force point per level.

How about spells? As in sustained ones? Can they be masked?

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Message no. 12
From: Erik S Jameson <esj@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Masking Quickenings
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:23:03 -0700
I didn't want to include this in my last post and get lost so...

The Grimoire says nothing about the ability to mask quickenings. Our
group decided it couldn't be done, because it wasn't mentioned. But now
I'd like to throw it out to the general populace. Masking can cover or
hide almost everything else. So why not quickenings?

Just a question, one that I hope won't degenerate into a flame war ;)

Erik, a.k.a. the Whistler
Message no. 13
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 19:16:48 +1000
Erik writes:

> The Grimoire says nothing about the ability to mask quickenings. Our
> group decided it couldn't be done, because it wasn't mentioned. But now
> I'd like to throw it out to the general populace. Masking can cover or
> hide almost everything else. So why not quickenings?

As far as the book seems to go, you can't. This is fair enough I say,
quickenings need some disadvantages over spell locks.

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Message no. 14
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:46:53 +1100
Erik S Jameson solicits opinions:

> The Grimoire says nothing about the ability to mask quickenings. Our
> group decided it couldn't be done, because it wasn't mentioned. But now
> I'd like to throw it out to the general populace. Masking can cover or
> hide almost everything else. So why not quickenings?

Our group allows the Masking of Quickenings. We also limit the number
of Quickenings to the Initiate's level. We also restrict Initiates
to one Metamagic ability, of their choice, per Initiation.

In my opinion, allowing Quickenings to be Masked is excessive.
Nor can I think of a way to `explain' it in game terms.

In our game, our Snake Shaman is an initiate level 5, has Increased
Willpower, Reaction, Mask, and Armour all Quickened and Masked.
He appears to be an ordinary mundane person.

luke
Message no. 15
From: Malcalypse The Younger <shadow@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:27:41 -0400
On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, Erik S Jameson wrote:

> I didn't want to include this in my last post and get lost so...
>
> The Grimoire says nothing about the ability to mask quickenings. Our
> group decided it couldn't be done, because it wasn't mentioned. But now
> I'd like to throw it out to the general populace. Masking can cover or
> hide almost everything else. So why not quickenings?
>

I always thought of a quickened spell would appear as a sort of small
scale whirlpool on the Astral, as the mana is drawn from that plane into
the spell to sustain it. And, I really never thought they could be
masked, since they are not neccessarily even linked to a person... (The
example was of quikening a spell in a location)

> Just a question, one that I hope won't degenerate into a flame war ;)
>

God, I hope not...

> Erik, a.k.a. the Whistler

Shadow
Message no. 16
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:15:02 EST
Whistler writes:

> The Grimoire says nothing about the ability to mask quickenings.
Our
> group decided it couldn't be done, because it wasn't mentioned.
But now
> I'd like to throw it out to the general populace. Masking can cover or
> hide almost everything else. So why not quickenings?
>
It could happen. Just because the book does not say does not mean
that it is not possible. But if you were to mask a quickening, it would
have to be masked all the time. If you leave the site, masking goes
away. Unless it is quickened to yourself, that is. Sounds plausible.





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Message no. 17
From: Spellslinger <mruane@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Masking Quickenings
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 13:22:44 -0700
RE: Erik's query on masking quickenings.

What about concealment? Nothing like going on an astral quest. Well, if
you really want to... :-)

Mike aka Spellslinger

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