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Message no. 1
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:16:14 EST
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:07:24 -0500
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From: losthalo <losthalo@********.COM>
Subject: Re: An Opposing View (Re: SR3 Magic Terms)
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At 06:47 AM 12/31/97 EST, you wrote:
>No, most of you would consider our games munchkinish ... that what a lot of
>the player's that have left and come back several times over have always
>complained about ... and the only reason they keep coming bakc is that the
>games are good anyway ... the villains are interesting ... and pc development
>is highly stressed ... and we try to make to plotlines on an epic scale if at
>all possible ...

>Anyway, let's just try and have fun at this .. no need to chew a piece of my
>really big behind ... though I don't mind the fact that it is a little
smaller
>thanks to your nibbling ... ;)

Well, you seem to be holding up your campaign as an exanmple of why these
things are okay, how they will work in a campaign. I disagree pretty
strongly with that, and I think you see why, don't you? Various tinkering
I've done with the SR rules (and other systems, I rather like tinkering)
work well for me, and my campaigns, but I realize m
Message no. 2
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:11:58 EST
Errmmm...no one with at least some intelligence (or knowledge of
cryptography) would use a hardwired system, as they are considered
insecure. The proplem is that once you have the black-box, you have the
information. Thus everybody uses key-based systems. The actual algorithms
are well known and published (so everybody can try to break them), it's the
key that's important. Well and if the key is on a computer that dot
infected by the virus....

> Public keys, passwords, etc, are known by people. People can be
> turned. So if you use software encryption the opposition (other
> corporations) have a chance to get the passwords.
>
> If you use a hardwired encryption device it doesn't matter. The only
> way to decrypt the data files is to get that piece of hardware, or to
> grunt the decryption.

Actually that's not true. If I wanted
Message no. 3
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:20:50 -0500
Of course that's how I read it. Other people might might interpret it
differently, or have discussed the subject with Tom Dowd. As such, it
might be legal in Ivy's game.

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:48:17 PST
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From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Bull-In-the-Box
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>First off, there has already been AI's hinted at in SR Game Products,
and revealed in the novels (The one with Dodger.) An AI has got to
almost as complex as the human brain, if not even more so. Now, since
the question of memory has come up, where does an entity that resides
>completely in the matrix store it's data?

The only AI's described directly in VR2 are evolved SK's. Sks need a
"native host", with a rating equal to its MPCP.

A weak AI can use any sufficiently powerful computer as a host. A
stronger one can create a "virtual host" from the fabric of the matrix,
an ultraviolet system. I doubt Bull alone can do either.

Whats "Bull in a boxes" MPCP? Well, if he were otaku, it would be the
average of your mental stats (int+ will + chr)/3. But just HOW is bull
going to upload to SK/ai format? I think you need the help of a very
powerful AI- in which case, you don't need a host, it'll MAKE one.

>If an AI (Like the one mentioned in Charrette's novel) affiliated with
Renraku were to store it's "memories" on the Renraku database,
especially if they were so large, wouldn;t that get noticed fairly
rapidly? Or is it all spread out among the servers and data banks, so
>that the drain isnl;t so noticeable?

Normally, it opperates "in the matrix" like a decker or a frame- it
might need some "bandwidth", but not so much as to affect proccessing
power. The AI only needs the host to "recompile" when injured. So, it
can borrow one thats not being watched, then scram for parts unknown.
Better Ai's can, as noted, create virtually undetectable hosts with
massive securuity. Such a hostmight be needed for "uploading" Bull, but
proably not for maintaining his conciousness, if such a thing is
possible. OTOH, storinf all the information needed to re-create an
organic mind with all of bulls memories and his pesronaltiy WOULD tax a
small mainframe, but would be do-able. 5 million megapulses is NOT all
that big by, say, the standards of the Denver Nexus.

All this seems to indicate that you might be doing a "cure" like the one
that Nueromancer used to remove the toxin sacks from Cases arteries- Or
if not, some major computer quest on the order of the resonance is still
likely. I don't think My GM would be nice enough to let that happen to
me. OTOH, I think if they can do cyb
Message no. 4
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:20:42 EST
Hmm.. what does that say about those of us who do? ;)

-David
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"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes.
Art is knowing which ones to keep."
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:50:59 +0000
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Replying to posts (Was: Re: Maskig Adept)
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And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Spike wrote:
|/ Also there's the fact that I'd have to REMEMBER what I was going to say.
|
|Hmm.. what does that say abo
Message no. 5
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:11:26 -0500
There are 4 different types of dragon shaman.They appeared after
dunkelzahn died, claiming that dragons had contacted them in their
sleep,and told them that they were a new breed of shaman,destined to
appear into the world .The three dragons were:western(Dunkelzahns
essence),eastern(Ryumo),And Feathered(The dragon from Bloodsport).No-one
knows why these three dragons gave these powers to these people,but htey
now have a totem.The fourth type is the Great dragon shaman.They are
just a dragon shaman who has iniatated past grade ten.I dont feel like
creating eastern and feathered dragon totems, but I will desighn western
dragon:

Western dragon:

Favored enviroment:mountain

Bonuses:+2d to combat spells that involve fire,+1d to damaging
manipulation spells that involve fire.+2d towards conjuring sky spirits

Character:Regal,intellegent,and confident are the words that best
describe a western draagon shaman.Their logic is usually hard to follow,
and they usually think like a dragon.They will not hurt a western dragon
,and therefore will not be hurt by a western dragon.The dragon shaman of
western orientation must assighn at least five points toward charisma
and intellegence.Also,sorry all those trolls out there,trolls cannot bea
a weste
Message no. 6
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:39:59 EST
Then there's the question of how many people tried to restore backups
before fully removing the virus and/or its leavings from their system?
Viruses are VERY hard to get rid of in a company setting. I know, they've
been trying to remove "antiexe" from the offices here since before I
started working here. Every time they think they've got it licked,
someone pulls up a disk with it on it and starts passing it on again.
(Yes, we have all those fun virus checker rules, but they just don't get
inforced properly becuase you can't fire someone for having a virus.)



The Crash, assuming the virus was advanced as the books say, is possible.
Remember that it was YEARS, if not DECADES, ahead of the current
technology.


See ya around the Mulberry bush.

--James

:)
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:39:16 -0700
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Message no. 7
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:27:27 -0800
*nod* That works, yes. The reason this sort of option works with drones
is the drone is already there, doing things, it just lacks self-direction;
same for frames in the matrix.

But it'll be a spell effect, and be vulnerable to astral attacks and
such... Also, what would be the implications of trying to Anchor such a
spell, etc.? You can now have an anchored spell with 'orders' to attack a
cpecific target, etc., making Anchoring, or Quickening... very deadly.
Assassination spells here we come.

And that idea of a spell being given a target and told to 'hunt him down'
still bugs me.

>Perhaps another idea with regards to one-shot is that the one-shot is part of
>the spell design in the first pla
Message no. 8
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:53:49 EST
> Um, that's not what I said is it? I said the mechanics don't support it
> well, and it's yet another attempt to design around something forbidden by
> the rules (at least most of us can agree to that). And if that weren't
> enough, I also don't like the idea. Better?

Don't worry, Justin. Keith has the problem of assuming everyone who
disagrees with him is only doing so on personal grounds. (That and
putting words in other people's mouths.)


-Mb
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:54:19 +1000
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Subject: Re: Bull - in - the - box
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>> I'll spare the details, but it basically comes down to this.
>> Bull wants to upload his brain to online storage - essentially place his
>> mind inside a computer.


Hey, couldn't he go and find himself Alice Haeffner (in Wonderland). She
might have some idea as to how to do it, since she had it happen to her.
To get to her he would only have to handle getting to some of Dunkelzahn's
top notch runners and not getting himse
Message no. 9
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 03:08:40 -0500
RAM would work on the standard signature for a submarine against normal
sensors .. so would this mean that submarines could use something called SAM
(Sound Absorbent Materials) to make them much more stealthier ? What would
this material be based upon ? Very advanced foam rubber ?

And no, please, no jokes about putting a condom around a sub would make it
stealthier please ...

Mike (begging)

"When all else fails, Hellblast will do just finely."
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:04:00 EST
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Subject: Centering and Drain
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There is something I have noticed about C
Message no. 10
From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:09:39 EST
I've been watching this thread for the last few days and it didn't seem
worth getting into but this is one of the few comments that actually
made sense. Magic is supposed to be dangerous when used at very high
power levels. but changeing the things the modifiers is a totally
diffent thing changeing base drain...

Regards
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:29:28 -0600
Message no. 11
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:33:07 -0500
Bruce aka Rendar, the educated Ork Street Samurai.

"The Shadows are your friend. Intelligence, your ally. Negotiation, your
companion. Violence, your lover...but frag, chaos is your wife!"
-Summary of the run's results to a Johnson.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:57:31 -0500
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From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: [OT]PBEM Player needed
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Hello fellow runners,

I have need for a player in a PBEM game I am running. One player. The
only qualifications I ask is that you have played Shadowrun before,
and you can send/receive e-mail frequently. You will have to assume
the role of a character already created, but I will allow you to make
adjustments so the character is more comfortable to you.

Please e-mail me privately, PRIVATELY, if you are interested.

drekhead@***.net

Thanks!

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Message no. 12
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MASKING!!! (Re: Maskig Adept)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:13:41 EST
> Thanks, though a question of you, besides seeing the person's aura, would
the
> target number to see the spell acting on the person be the force of the
spell
> ? Or would it be noticed in the aura of the person depending on the
number of
> successes ?

IMO, spells on the astral are always obvious. You can't miss them unless
you are seriously distracted. I know the rules state that spellcasting is
obvious, and they don't require perception tests to see a spell coming at
you on the astral if you are astrally perceiving, so I simply deduced that
spells are just obvious, unless you are masking them in your aura (which, I
believe, you can only mask quickened spells and spell locks/foci....you
can't mask plain old active spells, I don't think).

However, I would require a perception test (4) with one success to notice
the category of the spell. 2 successes would be necessary to know the
actual spell. This is all IMO.

> Mike

Justin :)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:37:33 -0500
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> From: AirWisp <AirWisp@***.COM>
> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 9:22 AM

> Okay, losthalo, I went looking for a quote on this one ...

> from page 118 of the Grimoire (Second ed)(tm)

> "The base Drain Target, the target number of th

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