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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Matrix Access
Date: Tue Jun 19 01:35:01 2001
Yo,

I have a question about accessing the matrix, and bandwith restrictions
etc..... Say for example that a decker has super-cruiser access to a legal
corporations mainframe, at the mainframe's jackpoint he has attached a
satlink or similiar wireless device. When he accesses the matrix he goes
through the wireless link and straight into this mainframe host compter,
using it for his jackpoint into the matrix, daisy-chaining as its sometimes
called. If the console has unlmited bandwith ratings and base bandwiths how
will the bandwith restrictions on the wireless affect it? I understand that
the wireless would be able to transfer less data so would have a lower max
bandwith speed, but how would the base bandwith thing affect trace IC? as
the trace would go to the mainframe and then the Satlink. Would the trace
use the base bandwith of the Console, until the IC got there and found out
the trail goes farther, and then use the satlink, or other devices, base
bandwith? or would the base bandwith be used the whole time? and if so why?

Dragon Claw
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Matrix Access
Date: Tue Jun 19 05:20:10 2001
According to DragonC147@***.com, on Tue, 19 Jun 2001 the word on the
street was...

> If the console has unlmited bandwith ratings and base bandwiths how
> will the bandwith restrictions on the wireless affect it?

It seems to me that the limiting factor in any chain like this is always
the lowest-bandwidth link.

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dragon Claw)
Subject: Matrix Access
Date: Tue Jun 26 02:30:04 2001
Yo,

I have a question about accessing the matrix, and
bandwith restrictions etc..... Say for example that a
decker has super-cruiser access to a legal
corporations mainframe, at the mainframe's jackpoint
he has attached a satlink or similiar wireless device.
When he accesses the matrix he goes through the
wireless link and straight into this mainframe host
compter, using it for his jackpoint into the matrix,
daisy-chaining as its sometimes called. If the
console has unlmited bandwith ratings and base
bandwiths how will the bandwith restrictions on the
wireless affect it? I understand that the wireless
would be able to transfer less data so would have a
lower max bandwith speed, but how would the base
bandwith thing affect trace IC? as the trace would go
to the mainframe and then the Satlink. Would the
trace use the base bandwith of the Console, until the
IC got there and found out the trail goes farther, and
then use the satlink, or other devices, base bandwith?
or would the base bandwith be used the whole time?
and if so why?

Dragon Claw

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Matrix Access
Date: Tue Jun 26 06:05:15 2001
According to Dragon Claw, on Tue, 26 Jun 2001 the word on the street was...

> I have a question about accessing the matrix, and
> bandwith restrictions etc..... Say for example that a
> decker has super-cruiser access to a legal
> corporations mainframe, at the mainframe's jackpoint
> he has attached a satlink or similiar wireless device.

Didn't you already ask this about a week ago? I distinctly remember
replying to it back then, too...

Anyway, my view is that you always use the lowest bandwidth in the link,
because that's the narrowest point in the information flow. Compare it to a
highway network that crosses a river: there will only be a few bridges,
and when you need to get to the other side you will need to go across one.
And because lots of other people also need to take those same few bridges,
that's where the traffic jams will be.

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dragon Claw)
Subject: Matrix Access
Date: Wed Jun 27 13:40:10 2001
--- Gurth <Gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> Didn't you already ask this about a week ago? I
> distinctly remember
> replying to it back then, too...

You probably did but since i was on AOL admin chose a
bad time to kick me off the list, as my AOL was doing
the weird HTML thing AOL does. But i'm on Yahoo now
so i shouldn't have problems.

> Anyway, my view is that you always use the lowest
> bandwidth in the link,
> because that's the narrowest point in the
> information flow. Compare it to a
> highway network that crosses a river: there will
> only be a few bridges,
> and when you need to get to the other side you will
> need to go across one.
> And because lots of other people also need to take
> those same few bridges,
> that's where the traffic jams will be.
>
> --
> Gurth@******.nl

I get that part, my biggest question is about Trace IC
and the 'base bandwith' thing described in the Matrix
book. The base bandwith determines how much u can use
before Trace IC can find you easier. My question is
since the mainframe is the real jackpoint into the
matrix does its 'base bandwith' amount the one the
Trace IC is using, until it traces you past there, or
does the Satelite/wireless link's 'base bandwith'
somehow make it easier for the Trace IC to follow you
to the mainframe.

Dragon Claw


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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Matrix Access
Date: Thu Jun 28 05:35:05 2001
According to Dragon Claw, on Wed, 27 Jun 2001 the word on the street was...

> My question is since the mainframe is the real jackpoint into the matrix
> does its 'base bandwith' amount the one the Trace IC is using, until it
> traces you past there, or does the Satelite/wireless link's 'base
> bandwith' somehow make it easier for the Trace IC to follow you to the
> mainframe.

I'd figure the same thing would apply: the narrowest bandwidth is the
determining factor. I'm not sure why, but that does make things consistent
and easy to remember because of it :)

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jeffery Green)
Subject: Matrix Access
Date: Thu Jun 28 14:55:01 2001
--- Gurth <Gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> According to Dragon Claw, on Wed, 27 Jun 2001 the word on
> the street was...
>
> > My question is since the mainframe is the real
> jackpoint into the matrix
> > does its 'base bandwith' amount the one the Trace IC is
> using, until it
> > traces you past there, or does the Satelite/wireless
> link's 'base
> > bandwith' somehow make it easier for the Trace IC to
> follow you to the
> > mainframe.
>
> I'd figure the same thing would apply: the narrowest
> bandwidth is the
> determining factor. I'm not sure why, but that does make
> things consistent
> and easy to remember because of it :)
If you look at it this way:
Take 5 pieces of pipe, each different sizes, and
connect them in this order to a water source (assumed
unlimited water source) the largest first then the smallest
next, then the middle sized one, then the next larger one,
etc. connect the largest one to your water source and turn
on the water. What will happen is the first pipe will fill
up and the next will limit the flow for all the others.
Your final out put will be the total out put for the
smallest pipe. This will hold true for data bandwidth also.

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