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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sven De Herdt)
Subject: Matrix: detecting triggered IC
Date: Mon Mar 12 09:05:01 2001
I had a discussion with one of my players about the following:

According to SR3 triggered IC are not detected automatically and the GM
makes a secret sensor check to see whether the decker PC detected the IC.
If not detected, the IC continues with his "actions" accordingly and becomes
automatically visible when it attacks the decker.

Last night the decker in the group went in an Orange-8 with his security
tally already set at 15, needless to say that he triggered some IC.
He saw most of them except for the Killer-9 IC, so the decker evaded most of
the IC while the Killer-9 came in for the attack.
I ruled that the Killer IC had initiative (he surprised the decker since his
sensor test failed) immediately attacked him and that he had to defend
himself. Of course the IC became visible, but too late for the decker to
react this pass...

The player's interpretation was that the IC came in for the attack and thus
revealed itself (which I agreed upon), but then the player demanded and
initiative role to see whether he was faster than the triggered Killer.

At that moment I ruled that the Killer IC had initiative (he surprised the
decker since his sensor test failed) immediately attacked him and that he
had to defend himself. Of course the IC became visible, but too late for
the decker to react this pass...

I would appreciate your comments/rulings on this subject,

-Sven ;)
--

"Always running and hiding,
Stopping just a moment to catch your breath,
wonder why and how he can suddenly appear,
. . . right in front of you!?
But be surprised no more for it is said:
Death is always one step ahead!"
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (David Buehrer)
Subject: Matrix: detecting triggered IC
Date: Mon Mar 12 10:05:01 2001
At 03:02 PM 3/12/01 +0100, Sven De Herdt wrote:
>I had a discussion with one of my players about the following:
>
>According to SR3 triggered IC are not detected automatically and the GM
>makes a secret sensor check to see whether the decker PC detected the IC.
>If not detected, the IC continues with his "actions" accordingly and becomes
>automatically visible when it attacks the decker.
>
>Last night the decker in the group went in an Orange-8 with his security
>tally already set at 15, needless to say that he triggered some IC.
>He saw most of them except for the Killer-9 IC, so the decker evaded most of
>the IC while the Killer-9 came in for the attack.
>I ruled that the Killer IC had initiative (he surprised the decker since his
>sensor test failed) immediately attacked him and that he had to defend
>himself. Of course the IC became visible, but too late for the decker to
>react this pass...
>
>The player's interpretation was that the IC came in for the attack and thus
>revealed itself (which I agreed upon), but then the player demanded and
>initiative role to see whether he was faster than the triggered Killer.
>
>At that moment I ruled that the Killer IC had initiative (he surprised the
>decker since his sensor test failed) immediately attacked him and that he
>had to defend himself. Of course the IC became visible, but too late for
>the decker to react this pass...
>
>I would appreciate your comments/rulings on this subject,

I would have made the exact same ruling. Surprise is surprise, no matter
what the environment. When someone is surprised the attacker gets a free
attack, and the defender doesn't even get to use pool dice to defend himself.

To Life,
-Graht
--
To Life,
-Graht
--
"Chance favors the prepared mind."
-Louis Pasteur
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Matrix: detecting triggered IC
Date: Mon Mar 12 13:45:01 2001
According to Sven De Herdt, on Mon, 12 Mar 2001 the word on the street was...

> At that moment I ruled that the Killer IC had initiative (he surprised the
> decker since his sensor test failed) immediately attacked him and that he
> had to defend himself. Of course the IC became visible, but too late for
> the decker to react this pass...

I would follow that ruling. It's like, for example, fighting some thugs
while one of their buddies sneaks up behind you. You get an Intelligence
test to spot him, and if you do, you can act against him. If you fail,
though, he gets a free attack against which you can't defend. The situation
with the IC would be the same: the decker's Sensor test fails, so he
doesn't spot the IC as it's coming up behind him. I'd say the IC got a free
attack, and only then would initiative be rolled.

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