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Message no. 1
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Maul the Decker
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:52:10 -0600 (MDT)
SPOILER FOR BULL (cuz his GM might actually use this idea)
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I'm reading VR2.0 (yes, I'm actually reading the rules :)
and I've got an idea. But, I'm not sure if it's legal.

Can you put four hosts in a triangle configuration (one at
each point of the triangle, and one in the center) each
linked to the other? Based on what I've seen so far I
don't think it should be a problem.

After doing that (or something similar), can you set up
each host in the configuration help defend the others
against intrusion by deckers? I.e., if a decker is on host
A, can hosts B, C, and D launch Killer IC at the decker?

I'm thinking of doing this for very special systems
(military, very secure megacorp, etc.). And, I'm thinking
of limiting the system, like putting a point on the
security sheaf where a host asks for help from the other
hosts, and adding some sort of modifier to the helping
programs because they're being run from a distance. I also
want to do this to suprise the hell out of the decker in my
game when he reaches that point where IC doesn't seem to be
a problem any more.

Comments?

-David

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Message no. 2
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Maul the Decker
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:35:38 -0500 (EST)
>SPOILER FOR BULL (cuz his GM might actually use this idea)
>BULL DON'T EVEN THINK OF LOOKING AT THIS!!!!!
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>Can you put four hosts in a triangle configuration (one at
>each point of the triangle, and one in the center) each
>linked to the other? Based on what I've seen so far I
>don't think it should be a problem.

Don't see why not . . .

>After doing that (or something similar), can you set up
>each host in the configuration help defend the others
>against intrusion by deckers? I.e., if a decker is on host
>A, can hosts B, C, and D launch Killer IC at the decker?

This should work!
Basically add some sort of hardwired screamer that sends an alarm to the
other hosts.
I say hardwired, since if it's just IC, Bull would probably crush it too
quickly.
If it's a seperate part of the actual hardware though, he can't stop it! :-)

>I'm thinking of doing this for very special systems
>(military, very secure megacorp, etc.). And, I'm thinking
>of limiting the system, like putting a point on the
>security sheaf where a host asks for help from the other
>hosts, and adding some sort of modifier to the helping
>programs because they're being run from a distance. I also
>want to do this to suprise the hell out of the decker in my
>game when he reaches that point where IC doesn't seem to be
>a problem any more.

This idea has a lot of potential!
I agree that it would only be on very special systems.
Fuchi and Renraku would certainly have something like this, as would the govts.
Thanks for the plan!
I'll let you know how Bull handles it! :-)



FAMOUS LAST WORDS
"Stop handing me things that come apart!"
Message no. 3
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Maul the Decker
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:55:45 -0600 (MDT)
|SPOILER FOR BULL (cuz his GM might actually use this idea)
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|>Can you put four hosts in a triangle configuration (one at
|>each point of the triangle, and one in the center) each
|>linked to the other? Based on what I've seen so far I
|>don't think it should be a problem.
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|Don't see why not . . .
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|>After doing that (or something similar), can you set up
|>each host in the configuration help defend the others
|>against intrusion by deckers? I.e., if a decker is on host
|>A, can hosts B, C, and D launch Killer IC at the decker?
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|This should work! Basically add some sort of hardwired
|screamer that sends an alarm to the other hosts. I say
|hardwired, since if it's just IC, Bull would probably crush
|it too quickly. If it's a seperate part of the actual
|hardware though, he can't stop it! :-)

That's a nice GM way to keep the decker from stopping it
from happening :) You could also say that it's a simple
reaction to the decker's security tally.

|>I'm thinking of doing this for very special systems
|>(military, very secure megacorp, etc.). And, I'm thinking
|>of limiting the system, like putting a point on the
|>security sheaf where a host asks for help from the other
|>hosts, and adding some sort of modifier to the helping
|>programs because they're being run from a distance. I also
|>want to do this to suprise the hell out of the decker in my
|>game when he reaches that point where IC doesn't seem to be
|>a problem any more.
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|This idea has a lot of potential! I agree that it would
|only be on very special systems. Fuchi and Renraku would
|certainly have something like this, as would the govts.
|Thanks for the plan! I'll let you know how Bull handles
|it! :-)

Sick a couple of constructs on him for me <evil grin>. And
I definitely want to know how it turns out.

-David

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"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking
alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
~~~http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm~~~~
Message no. 4
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Maul the Decker
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:00:39 -0500 (EST)
>I definitely want to know how it turns out.

Trust me, you'll be the second to know, right after Bull!!
Thanks again! :-)



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"Stop handing me things that come apart!"
Message no. 5
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.com>
Subject: Re: Maul the Decker -Reply
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:14:32 -0500
Bull, Dont Read this!



















Well, I like the concept, but I think it has the following problem: ICE can do the
things it can do because it is hooked into the guts of its own system. Letting a
program FROM ANOTHER COMPUTER use those hooks is a recipee for a really
insecure system, not a secure one.

Perhaps what you want are Smart Frames from the other computers or
Semi-Autonomous KnowBots, which can move from system to system much
easier. Easier still: cascading party ice.

If you want a deadly idea for a system, there is a reference in DNA/DOA to
Aztechnologies' system: 30 levels (i.e. hosts) that you have to get through one at a
time (fighting a cumulative security tally and accumulating damage by acid and
marker programs) "including the legendary level 13 where the experimental black
ice gets tested" or something like that.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 6
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Maul the Decker
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:49:55 -0500 (EST)
>SPOILER FOR BULL (cuz his GM might actually use this idea)
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All right,Iwon't read it.... Sheesh...:)



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# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
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# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
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"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 7
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Maul the Decker
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:49:59 -0500 (EST)
>SPOILER FOR BULL (cuz his GM might actually use this idea)
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All right,Iwon't read it.... Sheesh...:)



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# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
# chaos@*****.com #
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
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"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"
Message no. 8
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Maul the Decker
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:59:46 -0500 (EST)
>>I definitely want to know how it turns out.
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>Trust me, you'll be the second to know, right after Bull!!
>Thanks again! :-)
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Well, at least I know I must be halfway interesting (andannoying) if I got
you guys plotting against me...:)



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# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
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"I say we go back to the ship, and nuke the
site from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
-Ripley, "Aliens"

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