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From:	Aristotle antithesis@**********.com
Subject:	Meta Concealability (was Combat Axe concealability)
Date:	Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:49:40 -0500

Message no. 1 > I have a character in my group who plays a big troll
> and he has recently gone ahead and got himself a
> combat axe with a concealability of 2 (it also
> weighs 2 kg) He thinks he can use some provisoric
> straps/mounting system to attach it to his back
> undeneath his leatherjacket - I guess he could, but
> wouldn't it still leave a bulge on his back and be
> pretty obvious for an experienced Lone Star Officer
> or a gangmember for that matter?

This brings up an issue I've been thinking about. How exactly does
concealability work? Is the number given for how easily something is
concealed on a human (the average) or is it a "generic" number for all
races. It seems to me that something like a heavy pistol would be even
more obvious on a dwarf and be almost invisible on a troll. I was
considering a +1 concealability modifier for trolls and a -1 for dwarves.

Watcha think?
Travis "Aristotle" Heldibridle

From:	Keith Duthie psycho@*********.co.nz
Subject:	Meta Concealability (was Combat Axe concealability)
Date:	Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:37:17 +1300 (NZDT)

Message no. 2 On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Aristotle wrote:

> This brings up an issue I've been thinking about. How exactly does
> concealability work? Is the number given for how easily something is
> concealed on a human (the average) or is it a "generic" number for all
> races. It seems to me that something like a heavy pistol would be even
> more obvious on a dwarf and be almost invisible on a troll. I was
> considering a +1 concealability modifier for trolls and a -1 for dwarves.

The +1 modifier for trolls is probably a good idea (as long as it doesn't
imply that non-concealable items can be hidden on trolls), but the
negative modifier on dwarves doesn't make much sense, when you consider
that dwarves aren't smaller than humans - only shorter (unless you start
talking about metavarients...)

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From:	Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject:	Meta Concealability (was Combat Axe concealability)
Date:	Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:39:25 +1100

Message no. 3 -----Original Message-----
From: Aristotle <antithesis@**********.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:58 AM
Subject: Meta Concealability (was Combat Axe concealability)
>This brings up an issue I've been thinking about. How exactly does
>concealability work? Is the number given for how easily something is
>concealed on a human (the average) or is it a "generic" number for all
>races. It seems to me that something like a heavy pistol would be even
>more obvious on a dwarf and be almost invisible on a troll. I was
>considering a +1 concealability modifier for trolls and a -1 for dwarves.
>
I'd agree with that, though for the dwarf, the modifier wouldn't come into
play for small items like pistols, I'd say.
Interesting flaw: Inconvenient dermal growth (1 to 3 points). The troll has
a dermal growth in a difficult area, it could be a noticeable bulge right
where people keep pistols (this is not a euphemism), or a thick horn on the
foot that makes boots impossible and pulling on pants difficult, or even
large, moose-like horns that cause balance problems, make many clothes
unwearable and often catch on things like doorways. The growth can not be
kept in check through trimming or sanding because it has developed a blood
supply and nerves at its core. Surgery can remove it, at a karma loss equal
to quarter of the flaw's cost (rounding up).

From:	Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject:	Meta Concealability (was Combat Axe concealability)
Date:	Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:21:27 +0100

Message no. 4 According to Keith Duthie, on Wed, 22 Nov 2000 the word on the street was...

> The +1 modifier for trolls is probably a good idea (as long as it doesn't
> imply that non-concealable items can be hidden on trolls), but the
> negative modifier on dwarves doesn't make much sense, when you consider
> that dwarves aren't smaller than humans - only shorter (unless you start
> talking about metavarients...)

That would make it more difficult to hide longarms on dwarves, though (I
see dwarves as having a roughly human-sized torso but with shorter limbs). I
don't think the -1 should apply to knives, pistols and perhaps SMGs, but for
anything over that size (rifles, MGs, swords, etc.) it might be a good idea.

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From:	tommy lindner tommy.lindner@********.de
Subject:	Meta Concealability (was Combat Axe concealability)
Date:	Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:43:04 +0100

Message no. 5 Aristotle schrieb:

> It seems to me that something like a heavy pistol would be even
> more obvious on a dwarf and be almost invisible on a troll. I was
> considering a +1 concealability modifier for trolls and a -1 for dwarves.

I don't agree. As far as I remember there was some rule in FoF? that you have
to customize weapons for trolls and dwarfs in order to fit their hands. In
that case any conceability modifiers would already been counted. Otherwise
you might have to forbid hold out pistiols and the like for trolls or some of
the really large weapons for dwarfs.

Tommy

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