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Message no. 1
From: Jose Vicente Mondejar Brell <jomonbre@***.UPV.ES>
Subject: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:25:40 +0000
Yeah! I've just finished reading the Threats book and I enjoyed it a
lot!
Just one thing I found I'd like to share with the list. On page 87 I
saw this:
<quote>
">>>>>(That's messing with serious biological hazards. If it affects
metahumans, chances are it'll get humans too. We share 98 percent of
our genes with chimpanzees - metahumans are even closer to humans.
They're humans with one altered gene out of 32 chromosomes - a
subspecies, able to interbreed.
Interesting that nobody's mentioned the high elf birth rate.
About one in six elf pregnacies are twins.)<<<<<
- The Smiling Bandit (Strikes Again!/Ha-Ha-Ha)"
</quote>

What do you thing? Can metahumans interbreed (elf-troll, ork-dwarf,
troll-dwarf)? What would be the result? (A trolf?!? :) )

The idea of semi-elves has came to me sometimes, but when I red this
last night I could't resist posting it here.

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Monde
Message no. 2
From: Dust <rogan@*******.BERGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:36:44 -0500
On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Jose Vicente Mondejar Brell wrote:

> Yeah! I've just finished reading the Threats book and I enjoyed it a
> lot!
> Just one thing I found I'd like to share with the list. On page 87 I
> saw this:
> <quote>
> ">>>>>(That's messing with serious biological hazards. If it
affects
> metahumans, chances are it'll get humans too. We share 98 percent of
> our genes with chimpanzees - metahumans are even closer to humans.
> They're humans with one altered gene out of 32 chromosomes - a
> subspecies, able to interbreed.
> Interesting that nobody's mentioned the high elf birth rate.
> About one in six elf pregnacies are twins.)<<<<<
> - The Smiling Bandit (Strikes Again!/Ha-Ha-Ha)"
> </quote>
>
> What do you thing? Can metahumans interbreed (elf-troll, ork-dwarf,
> troll-dwarf)? What would be the result? (A trolf?!? :) )
>
> The idea of semi-elves has came to me sometimes, but when I red this
> last night I could't resist posting it here.
>
> --
> Monde
>
I think metahumans can interbreed but their offspring will be a
hybrid and can't have kids.
Dust
Message no. 3
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:32:04 -0500
At 10:36 AM 1/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
[Snip Crossbreed Q.]

> I think metahumans can interbreed but their offspring will be a
>hybrid and can't have kids.
> Dust
>
Actually, this had come up several times before...

Different Metahumans CAN interbreed, but the offspring will be a full
blooded Metahuman of one type or another (USually)...

Bull
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Message no. 4
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:54:46 -0500
> I think metahumans can interbreed but their offspring will be a
>hybrid and can't have kids.
Dust

Wrong! Elf + Dwarf= Elf, Dwarf, in case of genetic reversions human

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Is it in the "mysterious employer credo" that these little rendezvous always
have to be in exotic locales.

I mean just once wouldn't you like to sit down at a Denny's and plan
an assassination over a French Slam Breakfest?

"Deadpool #1"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Message no. 5
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:07:32 -0500
Monde wrote,
>Can metahumans interbreed?

What is covered on this is all in the Metahumanity chapter in SRII
starting on p.34.



of course this is where cuddly orks could come from. B>]#




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Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:28:57 +0000
|
|> I think metahumans can interbreed but their offspring will be a
|>hybrid and can't have kids.
| Dust
|
|Wrong! Elf + Dwarf= Elf, Dwarf, in case of genetic reversions human

He's in **&* thinking mode I think.....
(Dust, that is)

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Message no. 7
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@******.GWEEP.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:20:27 -0500
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>>>>> "D" == Dust <rogan@*******.bergen.org> writes:

D> I think metahumans can interbreed but their offspring will be a
D> hybrid and can't have kids.

I know this is incorrect.

First, there are no "halfbreeds" in Shadowrun. One is "normal", elf,
ork, troll, goblin, dwarf, or perhaps something else. There are no
half-elves or half-orks.

Second, all of the human subspecies are the same species: human, homo
sapiens. They may all interbreed. The resulting offspring may be any
human species; what subspecies the parents are has little bearing upon
what subspecies the offspring will be.

Third, the offspring of such a union are not sterile by nature of
parentage.

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Message no. 8
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:03:20 -0500
SH>> I think metahumans can interbreed but their offspring will be a
SH>>hybrid and can't have kids.
SH> Dust

SH>Wrong! Elf + Dwarf= Elf, Dwarf, in case of genetic reversions human

SH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

SH>Is it in the "mysterious employer credo" that these little rendezvous
always
SH>have to be in exotic locales.

SH>I mean just once wouldn't you like to sit down at a Denny's and plan
SH>an assassination over a French Slam Breakfest?

SH>"Deadpool #1"

SH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Document Classified
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Except in "Special" cases. Say a Human/Troll hybrid was borm,
and was shunned from the entire world. Well, this hybrid happened to
have good potential to be a magician, but no one was willing to teach
this creature. Finally a good soul who is able to look past the skin
shows him the path of the Dog. However, one day, Humanis, hearing about
this unholy hybrid, decides to teach the young aspiring shaman a lesson.
Eternally scarred inside and out, this disillusioned young man blames
his teacher for handing him over to the Policlub, and, well, many bloody
smears later, a Toxic is born.
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Message no. 9
From: Vael Lashar <ltwiss@********.COM>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:07:52 +0000
Glenn Royer <SHADOWRN@********.itribe.net>
on 23 Jan 97 put to email a tale of Re: metahuman interbreed:

> Except in "Special" cases.

By 'special' do you infer to the 'GM's prerogative' rule?

| | / / | / ____/ /
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Message no. 10
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:33:53 -0500
> Except in "Special" cases. Say a Human/Troll hybrid was borm,
>and was shunned from the entire world. Well, this hybrid happened to
>have good potential to be a magician, but no one was willing to teach
>this creature. Finally a good soul who is able to look past the skin
>shows him the path of the Dog. However, one day, Humanis, hearing about
>this unholy hybrid, decides to teach the young aspiring shaman a lesson.
> Eternally scarred inside and out, this disillusioned young man blames
>his teacher for handing him over to the Policlub, and, well, many bloody
>smears later, a Toxic is born.
>-Cyberspunk
>Cat-Who-Details-Plots-Alone

No last not say in special cases. That falls under house rules. Which is
every Gm basically doing what he wants. Standard book rules say elf + dwarf
= elf or dwarf. Not funky looking half breed.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Is it in the "mysterious employer credo" that these little rendezvous always
have to be in exotic locales.

I mean just once wouldn't you like to sit down at a Denny's and plan
an assassination over a French Slam Breakfest?

"Deadpool #1"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Message no. 11
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:21:44 -0500
SH>Glenn Royer <SHADOWRN@********.itribe.net>
SH>on 23 Jan 97 put to email a tale of Re: metahuman interbreed:

SH>> Except in "Special" cases.

SH>By 'special' do you infer to the 'GM's prerogative' rule?

SH>| | / / | / ____/ /
SH>| | / / /| | / __/ / /
SH>| |/ / ___ |/ /___/ /___
SH>|___/_/ |_/_____/_____/

not the GM's perogative rule, the GM's Hey-That's Neat I'll Try
It 'Cuz I Damn Well May rule. coincidentally, they work the same way.
havent quite figured out why yet
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Message no. 12
From: "Kevin P. Feathers" <Shd0wW0lf@***.COM>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 03:31:03 -0500
In a message dated 97-01-23 19:04:26 EST, Bull Wrote:

<<
Different Metahumans CAN interbreed, but the offspring will be a full
blooded Metahuman of one type or another (USually)...

Bull
>>
Actually by the way Fasa wrote the genetics it is possible for any human
or meta to give birth to any other meta or human.

Shd0wW0lf
Message no. 13
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:55:54 -0800
> Actually by the way Fasa wrote the genetics it is possible for any
human
> or meta to give birth to any other meta or human.

Not exactly. Your wording implies something that is not possible.

When the Awakening first came upon the world, any human could give birth to
any of the new races. (At first, Elf and Dwarf, then later the Trolls and
Orcs began to appear) However, with time passing since the Awakening, this
is becoming less of an occurance. Elves are being born to Elves, Orcs to
Orcs, etc...

A Meta can only beget another Meta-race if their mate is of that Meta-race.
(Unless somebody's been diddling with their DNA.)

An Elf/Dwarf/Troll/Orc, however, can give birth to a human, without one of
the parents being human. (Someone had an excellent term for this, but I
forget...)

Any human can give birth to any of the Metas, but this is becoming
increasingly rare.

(Wow. Two opinions in less than 6 hours!)

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Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:43:27 +0100
Dust said on 10:36/23 Jan 97...

(Can you trim your posts?)

> I think metahumans can interbreed but their offspring will be a
> hybrid and can't have kids.

*sigh* Here we go again... Check SRII page 34, where you'll find that
humans and metahumans can interbreed, but depending on which sentence
you take as "true," either the child will in most cases be metahuman
(human+dwarf/elf = dwarf/elf, human+ork/troll = ork/troll,
dwarf/elf+ork/troll = ork/troll), or there's a 50/50 chance of either.

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Message no. 15
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:51:02 +0000
|
|> Actually by the way Fasa wrote the genetics it is possible for any
|human or meta to give birth to any other meta or human.
|
|Not exactly. Your wording implies something that is not possible.

Why???

|When the Awakening first came upon the world, any human could give birth to
|any of the new races. (At first, Elf and Dwarf, then later the Trolls and
|Orcs began to appear) However, with time passing since the Awakening, this
|is becoming less of an occurance. Elves are being born to Elves, Orcs to
|Orcs, etc...
|
|A Meta can only beget another Meta-race if their mate is of that Meta-race.
|(Unless somebody's been diddling with their DNA.)

He didn't say they weren't mixed marrages.....

|An Elf/Dwarf/Troll/Orc, however, can give birth to a human, without one of
|the parents being human. (Someone had an excellent term for this, but I
|forget...)

It can be known as a "throwback"...
It happens in mixed families now, when someone whos grandparents where Black
and White had half cast kids, later on down the line, their decendets can
have a full black kid again, even if both parents are white now.....

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Message no. 16
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@******.GWEEP.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:27:29 -0500
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>>>>> "c" == cyberspunk <cyberspunk@********.net> writes:

c> Except in "Special" cases. Say a Human/Troll hybrid was borm,
c> and was shunned from the entire world.

Cannot happen. The offspring of a human and a troll is not a
half-troll. It can be human, elf, or dwarf; it could later goblinize
into a troll or ork; or it could be born a troll.

There are no half-breeds in Shadowrun.

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Message no. 17
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@******.GWEEP.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:30:47 -0500
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>>>>> "G" == Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:

G> *sigh* Here we go again... Check SRII page 34, where you'll find that
G> humans and metahumans can interbreed, but depending on which sentence
G> you take as "true," either the child will in most cases be metahuman
G> (human+dwarf/elf = dwarf/elf, human+ork/troll = ork/troll,
G> dwarf/elf+ork/troll = ork/troll), or there's a 50/50 chance of either.

Just remember that there is a chance of any metahuman-metahuman mating
resulting in a "normal" human that never goblinizes. The genetics are
stacked against it but the possibility is there.

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Message no. 18
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:53:14 -0500
SH>c> Except in "Special" cases. Say a Human/Troll hybrid was
borm,
SH>c> and was shunned from the entire world.

SH>Cannot happen. The offspring of a human and a troll is not a
SH>half-troll. It can be human, elf, or dwarf; it could later goblinize
SH>into a troll or ork; or it could be born a troll.

SH>There are no half-breeds in Shadowrun.

oh, don't be such a stickler. If it spawned a really cool toxic
villain (i love them toxics), who cares about it once the runners send
him through the climactic shower of lead? it would make a good story.
Pfffft.
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Message no. 19
From: Max Rible <cheshire@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:19:43 -0800
At 15:53 1/24/97 -0500, Glenn Royer wrote:
>SH>c> Except in "Special" cases. Say a Human/Troll hybrid was
borm,
>SH>c> and was shunned from the entire world.

>SH>Cannot happen. The offspring of a human and a troll is not a
>SH>half-troll. It can be human, elf, or dwarf; it could later goblinize
>SH>into a troll or ork; or it could be born a troll.

>SH>There are no half-breeds in Shadowrun.

> oh, don't be such a stickler. If it spawned a really cool toxic
>villain (i love them toxics), who cares about it once the runners send
>him through the climactic shower of lead? it would make a good story.

There is actually a problem there: it may make a good story, but it undermines
the nature of the world the characters live in. If you specify at the outset
of your campaign that metahuman cross-breeds have cross-breed traits (and convince anyone
who didn't sleep through high school biology why any "pure"
metahuman traits expressed at all after seven millennia of interbreeding),
that's one thing. But if you do things that contradict the way the world
works, you're destroying the believability of the world the player characters
are in. (I was in a D&D game years ago where the GM had an NPC sidestepping
lightning bolts hurled by another NPC. Every time that happened, I'd say
things like "Gee, I wish I could do that." "Gee, I wish player characters
could do that." and so on. He missed the clue entirely.)

When you break the rules, do so with full knowledge of how and why it's
happening. Maybe this human/troll crossbreed should've expressed a full
set of Trollish genes, but his parents were exposed to mutagenic chemicals
and (as a birth defect) only a subset of the Trollish genes expressed
because the other ones simply coded for junk, leaving him looking like an
armored Elephant Man. Don't let the PC's know he's a human/troll crossbreed
unless they do the right research; just describe the way the guy looks
("he's got the horns and armor and long arms of a troll, but he's only about
six feet six") and let them figure it out. If they drag a tissue sample into
the lab, have the doctor comment on how the guy had so much chromosome damage
he should've been a miscarriage. This gives you a nasty villain *without*
ruining the player characters' ability to suspend disbelief that lets them
imagine themselves in this fictitious world we play in.

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Message no. 20
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:08:26 -0800
> |Not exactly. Your wording implies something that is not possible.
>
> Why???

<Stamps foot> Like Gurth and Stainless Steel Rat (and the gods know who
else) have said, there are no half breeds! That reeks of a game I shall not
mention!

> |A Meta can only beget another Meta-race if their mate is of that
Meta-race.
> |(Unless somebody's been diddling with their DNA.)
>
> He didn't say they weren't mixed marrages.....

I know, I was simply being thorough.

> It can be known as a "throwback"...
> It happens in mixed families now, when someone whos grandparents where
Black
> and White had half cast kids, later on down the line, their decendets can
> have a full black kid again, even if both parents are white now.....

Okay, I'll concede that. But the further into the New World we get, the
more one of the direct ancestors would have to be that Meta-breed, neh.

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Message no. 21
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:08:35 +0000
|<Stamps foot> Like Gurth and Stainless Steel Rat (and the gods know who
|else) have said, there are no half breeds! That reeks of a game I shall not
|mention!

Don't you stamp your foot at me....

Or you know what you'll get....

<EVIL GRIN>
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Message no. 22
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:38:24 -0500
SH>happening. Maybe this human/troll crossbreed should've expressed a full
SH>set of Trollish genes, but his parents were exposed to mutagenic chemicals
SH>and (as a birth defect) only a subset of the Trollish genes expressed
SH>because the other ones simply coded for junk, leaving him looking like an
SH>armored Elephant Man. Don't let the PC's know he's a human/troll crossbreed
SH>unless they do the right research; just describe the way the guy looks
SH>("he's got the horns and armor and long arms of a troll, but he's only about
SH>six feet six") and let them figure it out. If they drag a tissue sample int
SH>the lab, have the doctor comment on how the guy had so much chromosome damag
SH>he should've been a miscarriage. This gives you a nasty villain *without*
SH>ruining the player characters' ability to suspend disbelief that lets them
SH>imagine themselves in this fictitious world we play in.

thats a nice explanation. i dont like playing with genes too
much, just because. it reminds me of a lot of the Star Trek next gen
explanations for things. and i would probably describe him as a gorilla
looking troll. knuckles on the floor, shorter, no tusks, but without the
gorilla hair.
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Message no. 23
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@******.GWEEP.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:14:03 -0500
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>>>>> "c" == cyberspunk <cyberspunk@********.net> writes:

SH> There are no half-breeds in Shadowrun.

Where do you get "SH" out of "Stainless Steel Rat", anyway?

c> oh, don't be such a stickler. If it spawned a really cool toxic
c> villain (i love them toxics), who cares about it once the runners send
c> him through the climactic shower of lead? it would make a good story.
c> Pfffft.

What you do for house rules is up to you. But in Shadowrun, as
published by FASA, there are no half-breeds.

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Message no. 24
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:40:35 +0100
Stainless Steel Rat said on 16:14/25 Jan 97...

> SH> There are no half-breeds in Shadowrun.
>
> Where do you get "SH" out of "Stainless Steel Rat", anyway?

He also gets it out of "Gurth" somehow...

> What you do for house rules is up to you. But in Shadowrun, as
> published by FASA, there are no half-breeds.

It would cause all sorts of complications, IMHO. Once you allow
half-breeds, you'd have to find some way of generating stats for them,
for example taking the average attribute modifiers of the two races (half
dwarf/half troll would have +3 Body, for example). And then what happens
if someone decides his character's father is a half dwarf/half troll, and
his mother half elf/half ork...?

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Message no. 25
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 14:28:06 +0000
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|SH> There are no half-breeds in Shadowrun.
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|Where do you get "SH" out of "Stainless Steel Rat", anyway?

SHadowrun perhaps???

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Message no. 26
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 12:31:54 -0500
SH>> SH> There are no half-breeds in Shadowrun.
SH>>
SH>> Where do you get "SH" out of "Stainless Steel Rat", anyway?

SH>He also gets it out of "Gurth" somehow...

Well, if you hadn't noticed, all the mail comes from "ShadowRN".
duuhhh! :)

SH> t would cause all sorts of complications, IMHO. Once you allow
SH>half-breeds, you'd have to find some way of generating stats for them,
SH>for example taking the average attribute modifiers of the two races (half
SH>dwarf/half troll would have +3 Body, for example). And then what happens
SH>if someone decides his character's father is a half dwarf/half troll, and
SH>his mother half elf/half ork...?

SH>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

well, it doesnt have to be that complicated, IMHO.
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Message no. 27
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@******.GWEEP.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 14:05:57 -0500
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>>>>> "c" == cyberspunk <cyberspunk@********.net> writes:

c> well, it doesnt have to be that complicated, IMHO.

It is not that complicated. All of metahumanity is human. Orks are
human. Elves are human. Dwarfs are human. Trolls are human. All are
the same species: homo sapiens. Mate homo sapiens to homo sapiens and
you get homo sapiens for offspring.

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Message no. 28
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 01:59:39 -0500
>dwarf/half troll would have +3 Body, for example). And then what happens
>if someone decides his character's father is a half dwarf/half troll, and
>his mother half elf/half ork...?

Well, then you'd have Ad&d. :)

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Message no. 29
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:17:08 +0100
Glenn Royer said on 12:31/26 Jan 97...

> SH>> Where do you get "SH" out of "Stainless Steel Rat",
anyway?
>
> SH>He also gets it out of "Gurth" somehow...
>
> Well, if you hadn't noticed, all the mail comes from "ShadowRN".
> duuhhh! :)

Depends on your mailer, if you ask me. Mine gave this header for your
message that I now replied to:

Date sent: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 12:31:54 -0500
Send reply to: Shadowrun Discussion <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
From: Glenn Royer <cyberspunk@********.NET>
Subject: Re: metahuman interbreed
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET

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