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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Christian Casavant)
Subject: Metahumanity Question.
Date: Thu Jan 17 19:55:00 2002
I'm trying to remember details of UGE/goblinization.

Orks/Trolls goblinize during childhood or puberty, but Elves and Dwarves
are born into it, neh?

If this is indeed the case, you never get Ork/Troll Chidren, and what
about the offspring of Dwarf/Dwarf or Elf/Elf offspring. Is it
possible for Elves to have human children? And what about Dwarf/Elf
offspring. Would they be mixed race, or would they more likely have
pure race children?

Is there any source book that authoritatively discusses Awakened 21st
century genetics? My 3rd ed. basic roolbook doesn't seem to be very
specific...

Ta,

Xian
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Christian Casavant)
Subject: Metahumanity Question.
Date: Thu Jan 17 20:00:01 2002
Nevermind, I answered my own question. It turns out it is in the rule
book, funnily enough nearly at the beginning. That'll teach me to be so
lazy!

Stoopidly yours,

Me.


Christian Casavant wrote:

> I'm trying to remember details of UGE/goblinization.
>
> Orks/Trolls goblinize during childhood or puberty, but Elves and Dwarves
> are born into it, neh?
>
> If this is indeed the case, you never get Ork/Troll Chidren, and what
> about the offspring of Dwarf/Dwarf or Elf/Elf offspring. Is it
> possible for Elves to have human children? And what about Dwarf/Elf
> offspring. Would they be mixed race, or would they more likely have
> pure race children?
>
> Is there any source book that authoritatively discusses Awakened 21st
> century genetics? My 3rd ed. basic roolbook doesn't seem to be very
> specific...
>
> Ta,
>
> Xian
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Meph)
Subject: Metahumanity Question.
Date: Thu Jan 17 20:10:01 2002
> I'm trying to remember details of UGE/goblinization.
> Orks/Trolls goblinize during childhood or puberty, but Elves and Dwarves
> are born into it, neh?
> If this is indeed the case, you never get Ork/Troll Chidren, and what
> about the offspring of Dwarf/Dwarf or Elf/Elf offspring. Is it
> possible for Elves to have human children? And what about Dwarf/Elf
> offspring. Would they be mixed race, or would they more likely have
> pure race children?


Okay, if I recall my SR3 correctly. Dwarfs and Elfs are born into
Metahumanity. While the first orks and trolls went through the change.
Now, it sounds like orks and trolls are born as well with still a few
"goblizing" around puberty!

Meph
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bira)
Subject: Metahumanity Question.
Date: Thu Jan 17 23:30:01 2002
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:01:30 +0000
Christian Casavant <christian@********.org> wrote:

> I'm trying to remember details of UGE/goblinization.
>
> Orks/Trolls goblinize during childhood or puberty, but Elves and Dwarves
> are born into it, neh?

Yes, but Orks and Trolls can also be born this way. In fact,
this is what usually happens by 2060, and goblinizations are uncommon.
As for the children of a mixed-metatype couple, they will belong to
either the father's or the mothers race. No half-breeds.

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Metahumanity Question.
Date: Fri Jan 18 08:25:01 2002
>>> Bira <ra002585@**.unicamp.br> 01/17/02 11:30PM >>>

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:01:30 +0000
Christian Casavant <christian@********.org> wrote:

> I'm trying to remember details of UGE/goblinization.
>
> Orks/Trolls goblinize during childhood or puberty, but Elves and Dwarves
> are born into it, neh?

Yes, but Orks and Trolls can also be born this way. In fact,
this is what usually happens by 2060, and goblinizations are uncommon.
As for the children of a mixed-metatype couple, they will belong to
either the father's or the mothers race. No half-breeds.
<<<

Right, no half breeds, but keep in mind that by this point, almost everyone probably has
"Recessive" metagenes kicking around, which means it would be rare but possible
for parents to have a child of a totally diffrent metatype. Sort of like two blond
parents having a red-headed child. Likewise, you could have a Dwarf born to Elven
parents, Or even multiple Metatypes from the same parents.

We did this for the characters in the 1999 Origins Tournament. Two of the PCs were
brothers, one an Elf, one a Troll :]

Bull
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: Metahumanity Question.
Date: Fri Jan 18 14:45:04 2002
From: "Steven Ratkovich" <RatkovSM@*********.com>

> Right, no half breeds, but keep in mind that by this point,
> almost everyone probably has "Recessive" metagenes
> kicking around, which means it would be rare but
> possible for parents to have a child of a totally diffrent
> metatype. Sort of like two blond parents having a
> red-headed child. Likewise, you could have a Dwarf
> born to Elven parents, Or even multiple Metatypes
> from the same parents.

Don't that depend on how the genes behave, which one is the dominant one and
some other scientific mumbo-jumbo?

At least in SR the metagenes have a strong part, otherwise we would have half
breeds, so that should be stated as a fact.

You could also consider it this way:

Each person have two metegenes, of which one of them is the strong part, whioch
will correspond with the persons race.

Normally you could giev each of your metagenes to each of your children, and
there by get the situation you described. But if you could only give your strong
metagene, then from a dwarf you could only get the dwarf metagene, from a huna
only the human metagene etc. You would get the following situation:
Human = HH, HE, HO, HD, HT
Elf = EH, EE, EO, ED, ET
Ork = OH, OE, OO, OD, OT
Dwarf = DH, DE, DO, DD, DT
Troll = TH, TE, TO, TD, TT

So each parent would always pass on their strong/first metegene, and thus could
only get a baby of either their own race, or the other parents race.

> We did this for the characters in the 1999 Origins
> Tournament. Two of the PCs were brothers, one
> an Elf, one a Troll :]

According to my "theory" the parents would then have to be an elf and a troll.

Lars
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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Jane VR)
Subject: Metahumanity Question.
Date: Fri Jan 18 21:15:01 2002
>From: "Lars Wagner Hansen" <l-hansen@*****.tele.dk>

>From: "Steven Ratkovich" <RatkovSM@*********.com>
>
> > Right, no half breeds, but keep in mind that by this point,
> > almost everyone probably has "Recessive" metagenes
> > kicking around, which means it would be rare but
> > possible for parents to have a child of a totally diffrent
> > metatype. Sort of like two blond parents having a
> > red-headed child. Likewise, you could have a Dwarf
> > born to Elven parents, Or even multiple Metatypes
> > from the same parents.
>
>Don't that depend on how the genes behave, which one is the dominant one
>and
>some other scientific mumbo-jumbo?
>
>At least in SR the metagenes have a strong part, otherwise we would have
>half
>breeds, so that should be stated as a fact.

>You could also consider it this way:
>
>Each person have two metegenes, of which one of them is the strong part,
>whioch
>will correspond with the persons race.

>Normally you could giev each of your metagenes to each of your children,
>and
>there by get the situation you described. But if you could only give your
>strong
>metagene, then from a dwarf you could only get the dwarf metagene, from a
>huna
>only the human metagene etc. You would get the following situation:

Lars, I'm interested in this discussion, but I don't understand what you're
saying at all. Could you rephrase it maybe? What do you mean by 'strong
part'? Why would you only pass on the strong gene?

Jane



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