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Message no. 1
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:03 -0500
Martin Steffens said:
> > What about upkeep? Do they count as "guests" as per the lifestyle
rules,
> > or what?
>
> I would make they upkeep cost "guest" * (critter's body / 3) 3 being
> the human average.

Which made me wonder: Do you apply the cost increases for most metahuman
gear to lifestyle? After all, an apartment that will fit a troll is going
to be hard to find (not to mention the increased food costs), and one
sized for a dwarf is likely to be in a specialty block of flats. Orks
probably wouldn't have much of a problem (just finding someplace that
their feet won't stick off the bed), and elves won't have much of a
problem at all (in fact, all of these size questions are making me see why
so many people hate elves).

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
"The Kelti said of themselves that they did not lie, but they sometimes
took a very long way around in getting to the truth, with frequent stops
at interesting spots along the way."
-Morgan Llywelyn "The Horse Goddess"
Message no. 2
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:00:37 -0500
On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:03 -0500 Nexx <nexx@********.NET> writes:
<SNIP>
>Which made me wonder: Do you apply the cost increases for most
metahuman
>gear to lifestyle? After all, an apartment that will fit a troll is
going
>to be hard to find (not to mention the increased food costs), and one
>sized for a dwarf is likely to be in a specialty block of flats.

I would ... actually you know, you could apply the cost increases to
characters other than dwarves & trolls if they have so much bio/cyberware
that they have monstrous stats ... (Lifestyle would include maintainence
and such.)

>Orks
>probably wouldn't have much of a problem (just finding someplace that
>their feet won't stick off the bed), and elves won't have much of a
>problem at all (in fact, all of these size questions are making me see
why
>so many people hate elves).
>
>***************
>Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
<SNIP Sig>

Actually, do you realise that Orks & Elves are the same height? The only
problem Orks have that Elves don't is usually needing reinforced gear.
Both would need to get the longer beds and such.

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 3
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:57:31 +1000
> I would ... actually you know, you could apply the cost increases to
> characters other than dwarves & trolls if they have so much
> bio/cyberware
> that they have monstrous stats ... (Lifestyle would include
> maintainence
> and such.)
>
Ummm - cyber and bio? I can see where you're going there (maintenance
for cyber, etc.), but unless you rule that increased levels of bioware
require increased levels of food consumption or tailored diets - and
according to the (admittedly way dated) rules in Shadowtech, that only
applies to a couple of items.

So while this wouldn't usually be a problem (most characters with
extensive bio also have extensive cyber), sometimes it could have an
effect. Case in point - the character Mandy from Shadows of the
Underworld. She has a heap of bioware, but only 0.9 essence worth of
cyber. If I was going with this increased upkeep rule, I wouldn't apply
it to her - but I would apply it to her buddy Fred (who's stacked to the
brim with cyber).

> >Orks
> >probably wouldn't have much of a problem (just finding someplace that
> >their feet won't stick off the bed), and elves won't have much of a
> >problem at all (in fact, all of these size questions are making me
> see
> why
> >so many people hate elves).
> >
> >***************
> >Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
> <SNIP Sig>
>
> Actually, do you realise that Orks & Elves are the same height? The
> only
> problem Orks have that Elves don't is usually needing reinforced gear.
> Both would need to get the longer beds and such.
>
> D. Ghost
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
> o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`
>
Ummm, that's not really a problem unless you're looking at
ridiculously-sized characters (like some of mine - I like tall elves :)
). As a tall person myself (6'4") I should know. I'm slightly taller
than your average elf or ork. I have to have a longer than average bed,
but as I recall, it didn't cost anymore (or not an appreciable amount).
Also, your average ork doesn't weigh that much more than a human of that
height and average weight for that height, so reinforcing shouldn't be
an issue for most orks (except, of course, for ridiculously sized ones,
as mentioned before). So unless you want to charge elves and orks more
because they have to duck their heads to go through doors ( :) ), their
lifestyle shouldn't really cost anymore than humans. So, yes, all you
stunties and super-trogs (i.e. trolls) out there should hate them. :)

Admittedly, I did come in halfway through this discussion, so I may have
missed some of the intentions behind this. Just take my comments on face
value.

Doc'
Message no. 4
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:46:35 -0500
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:57:31 +1000 "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)"
<RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU> writes:
>> I would ... actually you know, you could apply the cost increases to
>> characters other than dwarves & trolls if they have so much
bio/cyberware
>> that they have monstrous stats ... (Lifestyle would include
maintainence
>> and such.)
>>
>Ummm - cyber and bio? I can see where you're going there (maintenance
>for cyber, etc.), but unless you rule that increased levels of bioware
>require increased levels of food consumption or tailored diets - and
>according to the (admittedly way dated) rules in Shadowtech, that only
>applies to a couple of items.

That isn't neccissarily the only form of maintainence ... could be
routine check-ups to make certain everything's functioning okay. (For
example, installing Cerebral Boosters may require regular check ups at a
neurologist) In which case, you'd base the increse off how extensive the
mods are (ie, current Body Index)

<SNIP>
>> >Orks
>> >probably wouldn't have much of a problem (just finding someplace that
>> >their feet won't stick off the bed), and elves won't have much of a
>> >problem at all (in fact, all of these size questions are making me
see why
>> >so many people hate elves).
>> >
>> >***************
>> >Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
>> <SNIP Sig>

>> Actually, do you realise that Orks & Elves are the same height? The
only
>> problem Orks have that Elves don't is usually needing reinforced gear.
>> Both would need to get the longer beds and such.
>>
<SNIP My Sig>

>Ummm, that's not really a problem unless you're looking at
>ridiculously-sized characters (like some of mine - I like tall elves :)
>). As a tall person myself (6'4") I should know. I'm slightly taller
>than your average elf or ork. I have to have a longer than average bed,
>but as I recall, it didn't cost anymore (or not an appreciable amount).

I don't remember how much mine cost either (I'm 6'5" :P~) but I'm pretty
sure it was a bit extra for the size and a bit more because it's really
firm or something ... Of course, I can't find a decent <insert name of
thingy you put on the bed that has elastic borders to catch under the
corners of the mattress.>, it keeps popping undone at night :/

>Also, your average ork doesn't weigh that much more than a human of that
>height and average weight for that height, so reinforcing shouldn't be
>an issue for most orks (except, of course, for ridiculously sized ones,
>as mentioned before). So unless you want to charge elves and orks more
>because they have to duck their heads to go through doors ( :) ), their
>lifestyle shouldn't really cost anymore than humans. So, yes, all you
>stunties and super-trogs (i.e. trolls) out there should hate them. :)

Well, the average Ork weighs more than the average Human. Some humans
actually require reinforced/oversized items (I think President Taft had
to have the bathtub in the Whitehouse replaced with a larger one, but it
could just be a silly rumor ...), this need would be more common among
Orks and MUCH more common among Trolls ...

>Admittedly, I did come in halfway through this discussion, so I may have
>missed some of the intentions behind this. Just take my comments on face
>value.
>
>Doc'

<Bugs Bunny>
"Ennnnh ... What's up, Doc?"
</Bugs Bunny>

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 5
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:12:39 +1000
> >Ummm - cyber and bio? I can see where you're going there (maintenance
> >for cyber, etc.), but unless you rule that increased levels of
> bioware
> >require increased levels of food consumption or tailored diets - and
> >according to the (admittedly way dated) rules in Shadowtech, that
> only
> >applies to a couple of items.
>
> That isn't neccissarily the only form of maintainence ... could be
> routine check-ups to make certain everything's functioning okay. (For
> example, installing Cerebral Boosters may require regular check ups at
> a
> neurologist) In which case, you'd base the increse off how extensive
> the
> mods are (ie, current Body Index)
>
Possible, yes, but I think the nature of bioware argues against that.
After all, do you have to have your own body parts tuned up? Okay,
transplants, yes, you have to have all sorts of drugs and things - but a
modern day transplant would be in the same category as 'second-hand'
bioware - makes sense, don't you think? New bioware, even if it isn't
specifically tailored for you, is going to be a hell of a lot more
compatible than a transplant and shouldn't require 'maintenance'. At the
very least, the more tailored it is, the less you have to look out for
it, I'd say.

That brings me to another point, though. With the increasingly wonderful
grades of cyber (delta! droolllll......), would you say that, okay, this
cyberware is more expensive, thus it's better, thus it requires less
maintenance? Or on the other hand, this cyber is more expensive,
therefore it's more complicated, thus it requires more maintenance? I
think I'd be inclined towards the former (makes more sense to me), but I
guess the latter would help to eat up more extraneous cred.

> >Ummm, that's not really a problem unless you're looking at
> >ridiculously-sized characters (like some of mine - I like tall elves
> :)
> >). As a tall person myself (6'4") I should know. I'm slightly taller
> >than your average elf or ork. I have to have a longer than average
> bed,
> >but as I recall, it didn't cost anymore (or not an appreciable
> amount).
>
> I don't remember how much mine cost either (I'm 6'5" :P~) but I'm
> pretty
> sure it was a bit extra for the size and a bit more because it's
> really
> firm or something ... Of course, I can't find a decent <insert name of
> thingy you put on the bed that has elastic borders to catch under the
> corners of the mattress.>, it keeps popping undone at night :/
>
Ummm...okay, it costs a bit more - fine. But that's where my (admittedly
ridiculous sounding) point about ducking a lot costing more comes in.
Most of the 'lifestyle' expenses would be for such things as food and
entertainment. Agreed? Then you'd have such things as clothes (which,
except for absolutely ridiculously sized people (the Shaquille O'Neal
complex) doesn't cost more, or again, not an appreciable amount) and
lastly things like beds, which you get once in a blue moon. So, unless
you're playing a fat ork (who'd have to pay more for food) or a hugely
tall elf (who'd have to pay more for clothing) or the like, I can't see
why you should be forced to pay more for lifestyle. I know I don't pay
any more than my shorter friends do for things (except for the
aforementioned bed - what an extra $50 bucks at most?). If you want to
be really realistic, I'd say an multiplier of 1.1 or 1.2 would be
reasonable for taller elves and orks, or a maximum of, say, 1.5 to 2 for
your ultra-fat people.

> >Also, your average ork doesn't weigh that much more than a human of
> that
> >height and average weight for that height, so reinforcing shouldn't
> be
> >an issue for most orks (except, of course, for ridiculously sized
> ones,
> >as mentioned before). So unless you want to charge elves and orks
> more
> >because they have to duck their heads to go through doors ( :) ),
> their
> >lifestyle shouldn't really cost anymore than humans. So, yes, all you
> >stunties and super-trogs (i.e. trolls) out there should hate them. :)
>
> Well, the average Ork weighs more than the average Human. Some humans
> actually require reinforced/oversized items (I think President Taft
> had
> to have the bathtub in the Whitehouse replaced with a larger one, but
> it
> could just be a silly rumor ...), this need would be more common among
> Orks and MUCH more common among Trolls ...
>
Yes, but your average ork doesn't weigh much more than your average 6'3"
human. Get the difference? :) I'm 6'4" and somewhere in the vicinity of
180lbs - and I'm quite light for my size. And I don't know how big
President Taft was, but most objects can take people up to 250 or 300lbs
or so without much strain (except for ridiculous plastic furniture) and
most stores are introducing BM-type lines (Big Men), where the price is
no different to ordinary clothing - that puts paid to height and weight.
Yes, I'd say every single troll would have to have specially reinforced
items made (poor bastards), but I still think the world is built to deal
nicely with ork and elf sized people - there's just too many norms in
the same category these days for it not to be.

Okay, confession time. I honestly also think this is some of the
stupidest, most useless kind of 'bookkeeping' roleplaying...errr...drop
the role from that...that I've ever come across, so that could be why
I'm opposed to it. But if you really believe you need that kind of
'realism', it's your choice.

> >Admittedly, I did come in halfway through this discussion, so I may
> have
> >missed some of the intentions behind this. Just take my comments on
> face
> >value.
> >
> >Doc'
>
> <Bugs Bunny>
> "Ennnnh ... What's up, Doc?"
> </Bugs Bunny>
>
> D. Ghost
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
> o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`
>
8-)

Hardly.

While it may sound corny, it's short for DocWagon. A player of mine
coined the name after I started working for the Blood Bank.

Doc'
Message no. 6
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:04:33 +0000
and thus did Nexx speak on 27 Aug 98 at 9:58:

> Which made me wonder: Do you apply the cost increases for most metahuman
> gear to lifestyle? After all, an apartment that will fit a troll is going
> to be hard to find (not to mention the increased food costs), and one
> sized for a dwarf is likely to be in a specialty block of flats. Orks
> probably wouldn't have much of a problem (just finding someplace that
> their feet won't stick off the bed), and elves won't have much of a
> problem at all (in fact, all of these size questions are making me see why
> so many people hate elves).

Yes, I always figured that if you were 2.8m, you need larger stuff,
specially made to fit your size requirements. Heck I'm not exactly
tall by current standards (1.85), but I remember that my parents had
to buy a longer bed than usual when I was younger and they complained
about it for ages. Of course they didn't complain when I could reach
the upper shelves in the kitchen :).


Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 7
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:22:58 -0500
----------
> From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>

> Actually, do you realise that Orks & Elves are the same height? The
only
> problem Orks have that Elves don't is usually needing reinforced gear.
> Both would need to get the longer beds and such.

Yeah, but the elves are also more limber and a lot thinner... trust me, if
I were built like an elf, my life would be much easier (and likely less
solitary and sedentary, but that's beside the point) with regards to
things like clothes, food, housing, etc.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
"The Kelti said of themselves that they did not lie, but they sometimes
took a very long way around in getting to the truth, with frequent stops
at interesting spots along the way."
-Morgan Llywelyn "The Horse Goddess"
Message no. 8
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:50:06 -0400
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Alfredo B Alves wrote:

<snip extra costs bit>
->I don't remember how much mine cost either (I'm 6'5" :P~) but I'm pretty
->sure it was a bit extra for the size and a bit more because it's really
->firm or something ... Of course, I can't find a decent <insert name of
->thingy you put on the bed that has elastic borders to catch under the
->corners of the mattress.>, it keeps popping undone at night :/

It's called a bedsheet, and try using safety pins. We tall people
(6'5" here too..) gotta stick together (oh no, I'm sounding elvish, shoot
me now).

->>Also, your average ork doesn't weigh that much more than a human of that
->>height and average weight for that height, so reinforcing shouldn't be
->>an issue for most orks (except, of course, for ridiculously sized ones,
->>as mentioned before). So unless you want to charge elves and orks more
->>because they have to duck their heads to go through doors ( :) ), their
->>lifestyle shouldn't really cost anymore than humans. So, yes, all you
->>stunties and super-trogs (i.e. trolls) out there should hate them. :)
->
->Well, the average Ork weighs more than the average Human. Some humans
->actually require reinforced/oversized items (I think President Taft had
->to have the bathtub in the Whitehouse replaced with a larger one, but it
->could just be a silly rumor ...), this need would be more common among
->Orks and MUCH more common among Trolls ...

That's probably why Orks and Trolls prefer showers.... ]:-)

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 9
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:44:57 -0500
>->Of course, I can't find a decent <insert name of thingy you
>->put on the bed that has elastic borders to catch under the
>->corners of the mattress.>, it keeps popping undone at night :/
>
>It's called a bedsheet, and try using safety pins. We tall people
>(6'5" here too..) gotta stick together (oh no, I'm sounding elvish,
>shoot me now).

No, as a fellow tall guy (6'4" here), I have to chime in and tell you that
he's referring to a mattress pad. It goes on the mattress, then the fitted
bedsheet you're referring to.

When did this become Tall Guy Homemaking 101?

---
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El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 10
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:52:06 -0500
----------
> From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
> ->firm or something ... Of course, I can't find a decent <insert name of
> ->thingy you put on the bed that has elastic borders to catch under the
> ->corners of the mattress.>, it keeps popping undone at night :/
>
> It's called a bedsheet, and try using safety pins. We tall
people
> (6'5" here too..) gotta stick together (oh no, I'm sounding elvish,
shoot
> me now).

Fitted Sheet, actually. 6'4" and growing, here.

> ->Well, the average Ork weighs more than the average Human. Some humans
> ->actually require reinforced/oversized items (I think President Taft
had
> ->to have the bathtub in the Whitehouse replaced with a larger one, but
it
> ->could just be a silly rumor ...), this need would be more common among
> ->Orks and MUCH more common among Trolls ...
>
> That's probably why Orks and Trolls prefer showers.... ]:-)

You say you're 6'5" and you suggest a shower? Great, the troll will be
able to clean from his waist down (provided he can fit in the shower
stall). Most showerheads (especially in hotels, but in the dorms and at
home, too), hit me about mid-chest, which is almost a bidet for a troll
(dear gods, I didn't need that image).

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
"The Kelti said of themselves that they did not lie, but they sometimes
took a very long way around in getting to the truth, with frequent stops
at interesting spots along the way."
-Morgan Llywelyn "The Horse Goddess"
Message no. 11
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:15:27 -0400
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Nexx wrote:

->> ->Well, the average Ork weighs more than the average Human. Some humans
->> ->actually require reinforced/oversized items (I think President Taft
->had
->> ->to have the bathtub in the Whitehouse replaced with a larger one, but
->it
->> ->could just be a silly rumor ...), this need would be more common among
->> ->Orks and MUCH more common among Trolls ...
->>
->> That's probably why Orks and Trolls prefer showers.... ]:-)
->
->You say you're 6'5" and you suggest a shower? Great, the troll will be
->able to clean from his waist down (provided he can fit in the shower
->stall). Most showerheads (especially in hotels, but in the dorms and at
->home, too), hit me about mid-chest, which is almost a bidet for a troll
->(dear gods, I didn't need that image).

Yeah, well, I'm also a jack-of-all-trades and tend to adjust
plumbing (and most household implements) to my requirements. Pisses my
wife off, though (she's 5'4", now she can't reach anything). ]:-)
I wasn't voting against increasing lifestyle costs for big and
beefy (or short and beefy) fellows, I just put that in as a one-liner. As
far as game terminology, I multiply lifestyle costs by 1.5 to reflect
necessary changes to structure & equipment (unless the character has a
special skill which I let them roll to try to reduce the percentage by 5%
per success). Pays for a troll to have Plumbing 4 and Tailoring 3, eh?

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 12
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:36:58 -0500
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:52:06 -0500 Nexx <nexx@********.NET> writes:
>----------
>> From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
<SNIP>
>> ->Well, the average Ork weighs more than the average Human. Some
humans
>> ->actually require reinforced/oversized items (I think President Taft
had
>> ->to have the bathtub in the Whitehouse replaced with a larger one,
but it
>> ->could just be a silly rumor ...), this need would be more common
among
>> ->Orks and MUCH more common among Trolls ...

>> That's probably why Orks and Trolls prefer showers.... ]:-)

>You say you're 6'5" and you suggest a shower? Great, the troll will be
>able to clean from his waist down (provided he can fit in the shower
>stall). Most showerheads (especially in hotels, but in the dorms and at
>home, too), hit me about mid-chest, which is almost a bidet for a troll
>(dear gods, I didn't need that image).
>
>***************
>Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
<SNIP Sig>

Get a detachable showerhead ... before we got one I had to duck to wash
my hair ... even now, sometimes I sit down while showering because I'm
about as tall as the shower door (we have 2 sliding doors instead of
shower curtains) and so washing my hair while standing up tends to spray
the bathroom with water (not TOO badly, but sometimes it gets annoying).

Trolls probably don't have the option of standing in the shower in most
places and so probably bath sitting down ... (*suddenly has image of
Jett's troll, Snookums, wearing a shower cap and taking a bubblebath with
a rubber ducky*)

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 13
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:29:02 -0500
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:44:57 -0500 Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET> writes:
>>->Of course, I can't find a decent <insert name of thingy you
>>->put on the bed that has elastic borders to catch under the
>>->corners of the mattress.>, it keeps popping undone at night :/

>>It's called a bedsheet, and try using safety pins. We tall people
>>(6'5" here too..) gotta stick together (oh no, I'm sounding elvish,
>>shoot me now).

>No, as a fellow tall guy (6'4" here), I have to chime in and tell you
that
>he's referring to a mattress pad. It goes on the mattress, then the
fitted
>bedsheet you're referring to.
>
>When did this become Tall Guy Homemaking 101?
>
>---
>(>) Texas 2-Step
<SNIP Sig>

Actually, I was reffering to the bedsheet but I have problems with both
... uhm ... uhm ... gotta bring this back On-Topic ... ah, yes ... Little
elastic thingies! You can buy little clip-on elastic thingies to help
hold the bedsheet or mattress pad ... They work fairly well too. -AND-
that's a lifestyle cost increase (*said while hiding from Dvixen* "see
... back On-Topic." ;) ... a small one but they add up ... larger than
normal clothing/furniture ... larger and/or special diet (Elves are
vegetarians by nature) ... little elsatic thingies ... and voila!
`spencive lifestyle ...

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 14
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:08:44 -0400
Ratinac, Rand (NSW) wrote:

<snip-o-rama>

> > Well, the average Ork weighs more than the average Human. Some humans
> > actually require reinforced/oversized items (I think President Taft
> > had
> > to have the bathtub in the Whitehouse replaced with a larger one, but
> > it
> > could just be a silly rumor ...), this need would be more common among
> > Orks and MUCH more common among Trolls ...
> >
> Yes, but your average ork doesn't weigh much more than your average 6'3"
> human. Get the difference? :) I'm 6'4" and somewhere in the vicinity of
> 180lbs - and I'm quite light for my size. And I don't know how big
> President Taft was, but most objects can take people up to 250 or 300lbs
> or so without much strain (except for ridiculous plastic furniture) and
> most stores are introducing BM-type lines (Big Men), where the price is
> no different to ordinary clothing - that puts paid to height and weight.

Actually, larger clothing is a bit more expensive. Talking to someone
who pays around $40 for jeans in a size that's comfortable. Of course,
men's clothing stores might be a little more forgiving than Lane Bryant.
But my bed is the same as anyone else's except for the extra-firm
mattress, which is just a personal preference, and my computer chair is
a bit wider than average, but the same basic price. So yes, most
furniture, etc, will handle someone a little larger than you average
skinny folk. Although plastic furniture and airplane seats are on my
list of pet peevies...


--Jett the short ork

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"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

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Message no. 15
From: Steve Collins <einan@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:55:13 -0400
>
>Actually, larger clothing is a bit more expensive. Talking to someone
>who pays around $40 for jeans in a size that's comfortable. Of course,
>men's clothing stores might be a little more forgiving than Lane Bryant.

Nope I usually have to pay around $60 for a pair of jeans at Casual Male,
Anr those supposed "Big Mens" lines at the department stores conviently
stop 1 size below me for everything. I believe I would qualify as an Ork
as well (6'1" 325lbs).

Steve

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