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Message no. 1
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:13:10 -0400
<sigh> I guess it's up to me to drag this thread kicking and screaming
back On Topic...


Alfredo B Alves wrote:

(Elves are vegetarians by nature)


How many people actually PLAY their elven characters as vegitarians? I
know I don't...something just strikes me as wrong about it. I eat meat,
I wear leather, I'm politically incorrect and dammit I love it! But
seriously, most players I know play their elves as omnivores, including
myself.


--Jett

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Message no. 2
From: Duncan McNeill-Burton <dmcneill@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:10:11 -0400
Jett didst sayeth:
><sigh> I guess it's up to me to drag this thread kicking and screaming
>back On Topic...


ow....damn thread kicked me...

>Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
>(Elves are vegetarians by nature)
>
>
>How many people actually PLAY their elven characters as vegitarians? I
>know I don't...something just strikes me as wrong about it. I eat meat,
>I wear leather, I'm politically incorrect and dammit I love it! But
>seriously, most players I know play their elves as omnivores, including
>myself.


I've always played Wylde Chylde as a being a strict vegetarian, as in he's
incapable of digesting meat. Part of it was my interpretation, and the
rest was the irony of being a leather-clad badass who has to go get his
stomach pumped if he accidentally eats the wrong kind of pasta sauce. I
never took it as a an allergy or anything, but it has a definite effect on
his life.

Later-

Duncan McNeill-Burton
-Tech Priest in Training
-Violent Felon for Hire
-Pipe-wielding Sociopath for Fun
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"Your eyes shiver and you grit your teeth,
You've sold you soul now cold blood's how you get relief."
-Ice-T, The Syndicate
Message no. 3
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:50:35 -0500
----------
> From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
> (Elves are vegetarians by nature)
>
>
> How many people actually PLAY their elven characters as vegitarians? I
> know I don't...something just strikes me as wrong about it. I eat meat,
> I wear leather, I'm politically incorrect and dammit I love it! But
> seriously, most players I know play their elves as omnivores, including
> myself.

Since Duncan used one of my characters for a lot of examples, I'll use his
character as one. Wylde is vegetarian with a vengeance. Not only does he
get no real food value from meat, but it makes him violently ill. I like
this. It keeps people from playing "pointy eared humans" as I like to
call them (admittedly, elves are going to be most humanlike of the races,
being about the same size and not having much shorter lifespans... until
they all establish themselves separately, they'll likely remain so).

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
*
If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yeilding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend.
If you pardon, we will mend.
-
So good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.
-Puck "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
Message no. 4
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:04:23 -0500
On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:13:10 -0400 Jett <zmjett@*********.COM> writes:
><sigh> I guess it's up to me to drag this thread kicking and screaming
>back On Topic...

>Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
>(Elves are vegetarians by nature)

>How many people actually PLAY their elven characters as vegitarians? I
>know I don't...something just strikes me as wrong about it. I eat meat,
>I wear leather, I'm politically incorrect and dammit I love it! But
>seriously, most players I know play their elves as omnivores, including
>myself.
>
>
>--Jett
<SNIP Sig>

Before the character rearrangements that came with converting to SR3 (Two
characters actually changed gender! :), I had an elven druid (should
druid be capitalzed?) who was vegetarian. In SR3, I think I'm going to
change the char from a female elf to a male dwarf and I don't know if
I'll keep the vegetarianism (There are some ... ODD benefits of being a
male vegetarian...). The way I generally run it is that elves, in
general, are vegetarians but there are still a few omnivores in the
group.

Additionally, I had a player who wanted a vegetarian char... I can't
remember whether the char was an elf or not ... anyway, it was way beyond
run-of-the-mill vegetarianism so I let her take a moderate allergy to
ingested meat.

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 5
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:41:21 -0700
>How many people actually PLAY their elven characters as vegitarians?
I
>know I don't...something just strikes me as wrong about it. I eat
meat,
>I wear leather, I'm politically incorrect and dammit I love it! But
>seriously, most players I know play their elves as omnivores,
including
>myself.


Mongoose is a technical vegetarian; that is, he won't eat anything
not technologically produced in some vat! With the new knowledge
points, some of the skills he has is "Nutrition/supplements" and
"survival/urban". Growing up in the Chicago Noose, he thinks its dumb
to eat ANY plant or animal- you don't know where it came from. I
describe Mongooses larder as being filled with Boost, Gainers fuel,
Mycomuscle, and other totally synthetic crap for body builders. And I
pay 1.2 times lifestyle cost (he has a suprathyroid).
And yes, it is amusing when he goes to a fancy restaurant, and the
only thing he can eat is Tofu, and they tell him its fresh...

Mongoose
Message no. 6
From: Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:40:35 -0500
> On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:13:10 -0400 Jett <zmjett@*********.COM> writes:
> ><sigh> I guess it's up to me to drag this thread kicking and screaming
> >back On Topic...
>
> >Alfredo B Alves wrote:
> >
> >(Elves are vegetarians by nature)
>
> >How many people actually PLAY their elven characters as vegitarians? I
> >know I don't...something just strikes me as wrong about it. I eat meat,
> >I wear leather, I'm politically incorrect and dammit I love it! But
> >seriously, most players I know play their elves as omnivores, including
> >myself.
> >
> >
> >--Jett
> <SNIP Sig>
>
> Before the character rearrangements that came with converting to SR3 (Two
> characters actually changed gender! :), I had an elven druid (should
> druid be capitalzed?) who was vegetarian. In SR3, I think I'm going to
> change the char from a female elf to a male dwarf and I don't know if
> I'll keep the vegetarianism (There are some ... ODD benefits of being a
> male vegetarian...). The way I generally run it is that elves, in
> general, are vegetarians but there are still a few omnivores in the
> group.
>
> Additionally, I had a player who wanted a vegetarian char... I can't
> remember whether the char was an elf or not ... anyway, it was way beyond
> run-of-the-mill vegetarianism so I let her take a moderate allergy to
> ingested meat.
>
> D. Ghost

Are elves still vegetarians? I dont see it mentioned in SR3.

Mike
Message no. 7
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:04:23 -0500
On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:40:35 -0500 Michael Coleman
<mscoleman@********.NET> writes:
<SNIP>
>Are elves still vegetarians? I dont see it mentioned in SR3.
>
>Mike

Read Roweena's bit on being an elf again ... It implies that elves are
still vegetarians.

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 8
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:09:57 +1000
> Read Roweena's bit on being an elf again ... It implies that elves are
> still vegetarians.
>
> D. Ghost
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
> o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`
>
Not this elf.

I would suggest (without having a copy of BABY) that the average elf
should be a vegetarian - but there a certain elves who like and can live
on meat. And if you want to be one, then be one.

I've never seen anything written anywhere that says, "All elves must be
vegetarians". Although, I must admit, I don't have all the SR
sourcebooks. Just most of them.

Doc'
Message no. 9
From: Marizhavashti Kali <xenya@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:06:06 -0700
Michael Coleman wrote:

> Are elves still vegetarians? I dont see it mentioned in SR3.

I don't think elves ever really *were* vegetarians. What I think is that
the writeups in first and second edition reflected "researcher bias." Later
material did not support the concept.

It's a stereotype, never was a rule.

> Mike

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Message no. 10
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:57:32 -0300
Jett wrote:
>
> <sigh> I guess it's up to me to drag this thread kicking and screaming
> back On Topic...
>
> Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>
> (Elves are vegetarians by nature)
>
> How many people actually PLAY their elven characters as vegitarians? I
> know I don't...something just strikes me as wrong about it. I eat meat,
> I wear leather, I'm politically incorrect and dammit I love it! But
> seriously, most players I know play their elves as omnivores, including
> myself.
>
> --Jett

Me too. I say that all races are omnivores, which doesn't mean that
individuals cannot be vegetarian or carnivore... :) .

One of my favorite NPCs (I got quita a collection :) ) is a female
elf
who is 1.65m tall :) .

Bira
Message no. 11
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:34:27 -0400
At 11:04 AM 8/30/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Additionally, I had a player who wanted a vegetarian char... I can't
>remember whether the char was an elf or not ... anyway, it was way beyond
>run-of-the-mill vegetarianism so I let her take a moderate allergy to
>ingested meat.

I'm pretty sure that would be a vegan. Knew a few of them back in college;
they hadn't had meat or animal products for so long, their body had adapted
to their vegan diet. If they changed their mind and tried to eat meat,
they got very ill and their body often rejected the meat, at least
inititially.

I suspect that it *could* be possible for the elven digestive tract to be a
bit more sensitive to meat than other races. It simply might be better
able to digest "rabbit food." Meat might clog the system easier. <shrug>
Dunno, it's possible. Or it could simply be a stereotype.

Erik J.
Message no. 12
From: Mike Elkins <Mike_Elkins@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:27:50 -0400
I've always ruled in my games that elves were vegetarian; not alergic to
meat, but more like an intolerance. An elf would get indigestion (which an
antacid or enzyme pill could cure, Carn-o anyone?) and possibly the runs
from a meaty meal. Most elves would probably be unused to the taste of
meat and find it gross, but some might just love it, despite the number it
pulls on their insides (think lactose intollerance and an ice cream
junkie).

Double-Domed Mike
-Who would starve to death if he were vegetarian...
Message no. 13
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Metahumans and lifestyles back OT!
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:31:15 -0300
Erik Jameson wrote:
>
> At 11:04 AM 8/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Additionally, I had a player who wanted a vegetarian char... I can't
> >remember whether the char was an elf or not ... anyway, it was way beyond
> >run-of-the-mill vegetarianism so I let her take a moderate allergy to
> >ingested meat.
>
> I'm pretty sure that would be a vegan. Knew a few of them back in college;
> they hadn't had meat or animal products for so long, their body had adapted
> to their vegan diet. If they changed their mind and tried to eat meat,
> they got very ill and their body often rejected the meat, at least
> inititially.
>
> I suspect that it *could* be possible for the elven digestive tract to be a
> bit more sensitive to meat than other races. It simply might be better
> able to digest "rabbit food." Meat might clog the system easier.
<shrug>
> Dunno, it's possible. Or it could simply be a stereotype.
>
> Erik J.


If elves really were herbivores (born vegetarian :)), their theeth
would be
blunt, wouldn't they? I imagine a elf wix ox's theeth :) .

Bira

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