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Message no. 1
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: [META] sr geek code
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:45:05 -0500
:> It looks like an SR-geek code-style thing: Mongoose doesn't play
:> (or maybe
:> like?) first edition much, but sometimes he does; he plays
:> second edition
:> a lot, and third edition less so. I'm guessing 365 is his BABY
:> number, and
:> the "pt" I don't have a clue about...



SR1 -/+ meant I've never played SR1, but know how and could
SR2 +/++ means I've played SR2, but played a lot more before now
SR3 + / pt / #365 means I've played a little SR3, am a playtester, and
have BABY 365

If I recall, the standard geek code format is 1 plus is "true", 2 is
"very true", and 3 is "uniquely, amazingly true". SR3+++ would, IMO,
be
reserved for current writers, for example. Additional info after a slash
indicates potential (IE, non-current) trueness, iirc, or other extra info.

Mongoose
Message no. 2
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: [META] sr geek code
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:34:35 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Mongoose hastily scribble thusly...
| If I recall, the standard geek code format is 1 plus is "true", 2 is
|"very true", and 3 is "uniquely, amazingly true". SR3+++ would, IMO,
be
|reserved for current writers, for example. Additional info after a slash
|indicates potential (IE, non-current) trueness, iirc, or other extra info.

Don't forget that there's also the unmodified letter, plus various other
symbols, such as $ > !.

So for never played SR1, !SR1 would probably be more appropriate...

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Message no. 3
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [META] sr geek code
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:58:18 -0400
Mongoose wrote:
> :> It looks like an SR-geek code-style thing: Mongoose doesn't play
[snip]
> SR1 -/+ meant I've never played SR1, but know how and could
> SR2 +/++ means I've played SR2, but played a lot more before now
> SR3 + / pt / #365 means I've played a little SR3, am a
> playtester, and
> have BABY 365
>
> If I recall, the standard geek code format is 1 plus is
> "true", 2 is
> "very true", and 3 is "uniquely, amazingly true". SR3+++
> would, IMO, be
> reserved for current writers, for example. Additional info
> after a slash
> indicates potential (IE, non-current) trueness, iirc, or
> other extra info.

The +/- system indicates more than "true/false". It's generalized to mean
"lots/little".
So !SR1+ could indicate that you haven't played SR1, but you like it (or are
good at it or play it reasonably frequently - one of these would be chosen
at
code creation).
>'s indicate a desired target. So, SR2+>+++ might mean that you play SR2
once a week but would like to play everyday.

There are *lots* of modifiers. None of them (in the geek code at least) are
"/".
:-)
http://www.geekcode.com/

James Ojaste
Message no. 4
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: [META] sr geek code
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:15:33 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Ojaste,James [NCR] hastily scribble thusly...
|There are *lots* of modifiers. None of them (in the geek code at least) are
|"/".
|:-)
|http://www.geekcode.com/

Actually... "/" does exist. It represents an "in between" type thing.
Like for example, you like the earlier X-Files, but think the later ones
stink, or you fall somewhere in between the two camps (in that particular
category).

After all this though, only one person can claim to be G++++

:)

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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
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|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
Message no. 5
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [META] sr geek code
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:06:25 -0400
Spike wrote:
> |There are *lots* of modifiers. None of them (in the geek
> code at least) are
> |"/".
> |:-)
> |http://www.geekcode.com/
>
> Actually... "/" does exist. It represents an "in between" type
thing.
> Like for example, you like the earlier X-Files, but think the
> later ones
> stink, or you fall somewhere in between the two camps (in
> that particular
> category).

I think it was in previous revisions of the code, but it's not in v3.12
(at least according to http://www.geekcode.com/ which I take to be pretty
accurate... ;-) ). However, in support of your statement, Hayden uses
GED/J in the example. *shrug*

> After all this though, only one person can claim to be G++++
> :)

I only qualify for G+... :-(

James Ojaste

(Ah, what the heck. The alternative is to do work:

GCS d-() s+:- a-- C+++$ UL++++ P+@$ L++ E--- W+++$ N-- !o K w---(++$)
O M- !V PS@ PE Y+ PGP-() t*@ 5+++ X++ R++>+++$ tv b+ DI++ D+(+++) G+
e h! !r !y-)
Message no. 6
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: [META] sr geek code
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:24:36 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Ojaste,James [NCR] hastily scribble thusly...
|> After all this though, only one person can claim to be G++++
|> :)
|
|I only qualify for G+... :-(

I'm not even claiming G+ at the moment.
(I can barely remember what 25% of it means without referring to the doc.)

What's been added in 3.12 over 3.1?

|James Ojaste
|
|(Ah, what the heck. The alternative is to do work:
|
|GCS d-() s+:- a-- C+++$ UL++++ P+@$ L++ E--- W+++$ N-- !o K w---(++$)
|O M- !V PS@ PE Y+ PGP-() t*@ 5+++ X++ R++>+++$ tv b+ DI++ D+(+++) G+
|e h! !r !y-)

Is DI++ dilbert?
If so, it looks like I might have to change mine....
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a |
| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
Message no. 7
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [META] sr geek code
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:18:28 -0400
Spike wrote:
> |> After all this though, only one person can claim to be G++++
> |> :)
> |
> |I only qualify for G+... :-(
>
> I'm not even claiming G+ at the moment.
> (I can barely remember what 25% of it means without referring
> to the doc.)

The actual description of G+ is "I was once G++ (or higher), but
the new versions are getting too long and too complicated.". :-)

> What's been added in 3.12 over 3.1?

Err, dunno? It's been a long time since I last calculated my GC.

> |GCS d-() s+:- a-- C+++$ UL++++ P+@$ L++ E--- W+++$ N-- !o K w---(++$)
> |O M- !V PS@ PE Y+ PGP-() t*@ 5+++ X++ R++>+++$ tv b+ DI++ D+(+++) G+
> |e h! !r !y-)
>
> Is DI++ dilbert?

Yup.

James Ojaste
Message no. 8
From: grahamdrew grahamdrew@*********.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:13:21 -0400
Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote:
<snip>
>
> Ownership:
> o++++ I am Jill Lucas.
> o+++ I own *everything* SR published by FASA or not
> o++ I own everything SR published by FASA
> o+ I own the sourcebooks and placebooks, but not the adventures
> o I own the sourcebooks
> o- I own a couple of sourcebooks
> o-- I own the main book
> o--- I'm broke.

What about:

Books:
b++++ I am Jill Lucas.
b+++ I own *everything* SR published by FASA
b++ I have a couple of sourcebooks, and maybe an adventure or two
b+ I have the main book, and Street Samurai Catalog
b I have the main book
b- I remember most of my friend's copy
b-- I looked over it a few times at Waldenbooks, and make up the rest
b--- Umm, they're made out of paper, right?
b? I thought they were just novels
!b Sourcebooks are just another way for eletists to show off, Fight the
system!

--
If a device is designed to do one thing really well, it can be
redesigned to do many things badly.
-Paranoia
Message no. 9
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:14:33 -0600 (MDT)
Geek Code: GCS d-( ) s++:->+ a@ C++>$ US P L >++ E? W++>+++ !N o-- K-
w+ o? M- VMS? PS+(++) PE+(++) Y+ !PGP t+(++) 5+(++) X++(+++) R+>$ tv+
b++ DI++++ D+(++) G e+>+++ h--->---- r+++ y+++
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Content-Type: text
Content-Length: 933

It figures that Adam would promise SR"geek"code and get me excited, and
then go on vacation :)

I figure that that means it's up to the list :):)

What in your opinion should Shadowruncode consist of? (If you're
unfamiliar with Geekcode got to www.geekcode.com) The following are my
ideas.

Shadowrun

S ++++ I am Gurth.
S +++ I live and breath Shadowrun.
S ++ Shadowrun rules!
S + It's one of my favorite RPGs.
S It's a good RPG and a nice change of pace from other RPGs.
S - Played it once, didn't think much of it.
S -- I've heard of it, but haven't played it.
S --- What's Shadowrun? Is it like BattleTech?

ShadowRN

RN ++++ I'm a ShadowRN Admin.
RN +++ I'm a member of ShadowRN GridSec.
RN ++ I read all my mail and post at least once a day.
RN + I read most of my mail and post fairly regularly.
RN I'm a list member.
RN - I'm a lurker.
RN -- I subscribed once but couldn't keep up with the email.
RN --- What's ShadowRN?
Message no. 10
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:23:58 -0400
Once upon a time, David Buehrer wrote;

>What in your opinion should Shadowruncode consist of? (If you're
>unfamiliar with Geekcode got to www.geekcode.com) The following are my
>ideas.

Well's here's some ShadowRN emoticons

B>|# -> I am MC23
B>]# -> MC23 smiley
B>[# -> MC23 frown
B;>P# -> MC23 poking fun at you
:>] -> MC23 in disguise

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 11
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:02:13 -0400
David Buehrer wrote:
> It figures that Adam would promise SR"geek"code and get me
> excited, and
> then go on vacation :)
>
> I figure that that means it's up to the list :):)

Now *that* sounds familiar, somehow... ;-)

> What in your opinion should Shadowruncode consist of? (If you're
> unfamiliar with Geekcode got to www.geekcode.com) The
> following are my
> ideas.

Specifically, these are suggestions for an extension to the Geek Code, not
an
entirely new geekcode-style Shadowrun code...

> Shadowrun
> S ++++ I am Gurth.
> S +++ I live and breath Shadowrun.
> S ++ Shadowrun rules!
> S + It's one of my favorite RPGs.
> S It's a good RPG and a nice change of pace from other RPGs.
> S - Played it once, didn't think much of it.
> S -- I've heard of it, but haven't played it.
> S --- What's Shadowrun? Is it like BattleTech?

First off, !S should be "Haven't played it" and S? should be
"What's Shadowrun?". So:
S-- I don't like Shadowrun. Cyber sucks!
S--- I hate Shadowrun. In fact, I hate *dice*!

> ShadowRN
> RN ++++ I'm a ShadowRN Admin.
> RN +++ I'm a member of ShadowRN GridSec.
> RN ++ I read all my mail and post at least once a day.
> RN + I read most of my mail and post fairly regularly.
> RN I'm a list member.
> RN - I'm a lurker.
> RN -- I subscribed once but couldn't keep up with the email.
> RN --- What's ShadowRN?

Again, RN? should be "What's ShadowRN?". RN--- should probably
be a comment about the rare flame wars... ;-)

I believe that the original proposition was for a whole new code
though, so...

Identifier tag: SRGC
Version: v0.1

HOW WE PLAY:
Edition:
SRx (where x identifies the edition in question):
SRx++++ I am Mike Mulvihill
SRx+++ This edition blows the others away!
SRx++ It's flexible and powerful. Too bad reality doesn't work that
way...
SRx+ I like this edition
SRx Eh, it has it's strengths and weaknesses.
SRx- I prefer another edition
SRx-- It sucks!
!SRx Never tried it
SRx? What? There's a new edition out and nobody told me?

House Rules:
h+++ We have more house rules than official ones
h++ FASA left a lot of holes, and we've used a lot of putty
h+ Our house rules add a little flavour to the game
h We only have a couple of house rules. More guidelines, really.
h- I won't play with house rules.
h-- House rules are really just cheating.
h--- How dare you imply that FASA isn't perfect!

Ownership:
o++++ I am Jill Lucas.
o+++ I own *everything* SR published by FASA or not
o++ I own everything SR published by FASA
o+ I own the sourcebooks and placebooks, but not the adventures
o I own the sourcebooks
o- I own a couple of sourcebooks
o-- I own the main book
o--- I'm broke.

CHARACTERS:
Deckers:
d++++ I am the Smiling Bandit
d+++ Captain Chaos asks me for advice
d++ The matrix is everything I need
d+ I think deckers are cool
d Deckers can be useful at times
d- Deckers are a pain in the backside
d-- Deckers make good cannon fodder
d--- I kill every decker I come across

Repeat for Sams, Mages, Adepts and Rockers (smar)...

Any suggestions?

James Ojaste
SRGC V0.1 !SR1+ SR2++ SR3+++ h++ o+ d+(-) s+ m++ a+++ r--
Message no. 12
From: Ryan W. Bolduan emeottrw@***.umn.edu
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:26:57 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote:

> David Buehrer wrote:
> Identifier tag: SRGC
> Version: v0.1
>
> HOW WE PLAY:
> Edition:
> SRx (where x identifies the edition in question):
> SRx++++ I am Mike Mulvihill
> SRx+++ This edition blows the others away!
> SRx++ It's flexible and powerful. Too bad reality doesn't work that
> way...
> SRx+ I like this edition
> SRx Eh, it has it's strengths and weaknesses.
> SRx- I prefer another edition
> SRx-- It sucks!
> !SRx Never tried it
> SRx? What? There's a new edition out and nobody told me?
>
> House Rules:
> h+++ We have more house rules than official ones
> h++ FASA left a lot of holes, and we've used a lot of putty
> h+ Our house rules add a little flavour to the game
> h We only have a couple of house rules. More guidelines, really.
> h- I won't play with house rules.
> h-- House rules are really just cheating.
> h--- How dare you imply that FASA isn't perfect!
>
> Ownership:
> o++++ I am Jill Lucas.
> o+++ I own *everything* SR published by FASA or not
> o++ I own everything SR published by FASA
> o+ I own the sourcebooks and placebooks, but not the adventures
> o I own the sourcebooks
> o- I own a couple of sourcebooks
> o-- I own the main book
> o--- I'm broke.
>
> CHARACTERS:
> Deckers:
> d++++ I am the Smiling Bandit
> d+++ Captain Chaos asks me for advice
> d++ The matrix is everything I need
> d+ I think deckers are cool
> d Deckers can be useful at times
> d- Deckers are a pain in the backside
> d-- Deckers make good cannon fodder
> d--- I kill every decker I come across
>
> Repeat for Sams, Mages, Adepts and Rockers (smar)...
>
> Any suggestions?
>
Of course just being initiated into Geek code a little while ago, I'm not
one to really talk, but I like this. Perhaps you need some other more
specifics of popular SR "stuff."

Forgot riggers in your character type list, can I suggest (Ri)?

Baby Numbers (seems popular right now):
B+++ Not only was I in line, but I'm below 100!
B++ I've got one, but I either had to wait in line forever or hack the
HTML on the web sale.
B+ Got one, don't ask how.
B I caught a glimpse of it once, and I'd do anything for it.
B- Of course a hardcover would be nice, but I don't need it.
B-- Eh, doesn't really matter to me.
B--- Why do I need a BABY? I have a 1st Edition Hardcover!

Universal Brotherhood:
UB++ Bought it when it came out, won't part with it for anything.
UB+ I finally got ahold of it, took me 3 years, but I have it.
UB You have the UB? I'll sell you my firstborn.
UB- UB is old hat, but it would fit well in my collecton.
UB-- Bugs suck, Chicago sucks, don't want it.

Ryan Bolduan emeottrw@***.umn.edu http://cda.mrs.umn.edu/~emeottrw
SRGC v0.1 SR1+ SR2+++ SR3++ h+++>+ o+>+++ d-(+) s++ m+++ a+++ !r-- UB>UB+
B---
Message no. 13
From: Snake Eyes snake.eyes@********.att.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:25:28 -0700
At 03:02 PM 4/19/99 -0400, James Ojaste wrote:
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>James Ojaste
>SRGC V0.1 !SR1+ SR2++ SR3+++ h++ o+ d+(-) s+ m++ a+++ r--
>

Definitely a good start and true to the "original" geek code format. Have
you seen the IMTU (In My Traveller Universe) code?

http://www.metronet.com/~washi/Tas/Lists/IMTU.html

It offers a lot more depth of coverage, which is evidently necessary
amongst players and/or rabid proponents of the different versions of
Traveller. Perhaps we don't want/need that kind of variation and detail
here? Just something for you to chew on.

~Snake Eyes

-----BEGIN SRGC BLOCK-----

Under Construction

------END SRGC BLOCK------
Message no. 14
From: Brett Borger bxb121@***.edu
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:00:12 -0400 (EDT)
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote:
> SRGC V0.1 !SR1+ SR2++ SR3+++ h++ o+ d+(-) s+ m++ a+++ r--

So the guy who wrote TheShop uses riggers as Cannon Fodder?
-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 15
From: arclight arclight@**************.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:31:53 +0200
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*********.org
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*********.org]On Behalf Of Ryan W. Bolduan
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:27 PM
> To: 'shadowrn@*********.org'
> Subject: RE: [META] SR Geekcode

> Universal Brotherhood:
> UB++ Bought it when it came out, won't part with it for anything.
> UB+ I finally got ahold of it, took me 3 years, but I have it.
> UB You have the UB? I'll sell you my firstborn.
> UB- UB is old hat, but it would fit well in my collecton.
> UB-- Bugs suck, Chicago sucks, don't want it.

UB +++ I actually live in the CZ

as there are some people out there... mongoose?...

the same with shadowbeat

SB++++= Wrote it!
SB+++ = Own one
SB++ = friend has one
SB+ = tried to get one on ebay
SB = ?
SB- = it's another sourcebook
SB-- = Didn't like the art
SB--- = A book with no guns? frag off!!

arclight@**************.com
[BABY #361]------------[ICQ 14322211]
All suspects are guilty, serious.
Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspects,
would they?
Message no. 16
From: nocturnal@*******.net nocturnal@*******.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:42:05 -0500
For me, Nocturnal...

SR2+++ h++ b++ B-- UB- IE--?!IE RN.5+ ad+++ ri++ dk+ rk- sh ma+ sa-- m-
t--- e+ gm-- M

The RN.5+ thing... I read through some of the mail, but only the ones
that seem interesting to me by topic- those about tshirts... no offense,
but I never see the bottom of them. I do occasionally reply, but not
daily.
Message no. 17
From: Kama kama@*******.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:11:11 -0400 (EDT)
On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Blair A. Monroe wrote:

> Here is what I have pulled together from our posts so far plus a few new
> items I threw in. I found it to be really easy to end up with "code" creep
> as I kept thinking of cool things to throw in.
>
> -- Blair
>
>
> Shadowrun Geek Code
>

<snip>

>
> Book Ownership:
>
> b++++ I am Jill Lucas.
> b+++ I own *everything* SR published by FASA
> b++ I have a couple of sourcebooks, and maybe an adventure or two
> b+ I have the main book, and Street Samurai Catalog
> b I have the main book
> b- I remember most of my friend's copy
> b-- I looked over it a few times at Waldenbooks, and make up the rest
> b--- Umm, they're made out of paper, right?
> b? I thought they were just novels
> !b Sourcebooks are just another way for eletists to show off, Fight
> the system!
>

(big snip)

>
> ---
> Blair A. Monroe
> Web Developer / Information Professional / Gamemaster
> bmonroe@******.fsu.edu
> http://mailer.fsu.edu/~bmonroe/
>
> SRGC v0.2 SR1 SR2+ SR3++ h b+++ B915 UB+ IE+(-) RN+ NERPS->+
> dk-(+) ma++ sh++ ad+ ri->+ m- gm++ M--(+)
>
>
>

Cool!

Just one thing. How about a code for "I married someone to complete my
collection of Shadowrun books" - Maybe make that b++++ and bump Jill Lucas
up to b+++++

Kama
Keeper of the Dicebag from Hell

SRGC v0.2 SR1- SR2++ SR3+ h b++++ B++ UB+ IE+ RN++ SRC+ dk- sa ma+ sh+++
ad+ ri-- mc+ rk--- m- gm-- M---
Message no. 18
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:44:28 -0500
:UB +++ I actually live in the CZ
:
: as there are some people out there... mongoose?...

Correct. I could point out how to get to my house on the map in Bug
City. On the other hand, we only used that sourcebook as background info
about 2055 Chicago, and never played out any of the CZ stuff.

Mongoose
Message no. 19
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:53:11 +0200
According to David Buehrer, at 11:14 on 19 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

> Shadowrun
>
> S ++++ I am Gurth.

Shouldn't that be "I am Mike Mulvihill," or perhaps "I am Tom Dowd"?

> S +++ I live and breath Shadowrun.
> S ++ Shadowrun rules!
> S + It's one of my favorite RPGs.
> S It's a good RPG and a nice change of pace from other RPGs.
> S - Played it once, didn't think much of it.
> S -- I've heard of it, but haven't played it.
> S --- What's Shadowrun? Is it like BattleTech?

Replace BattleTech by AD&D.


Edition

In the following, X stands for the number of the edition -- for example,
someone who has played second edition Shadowrun but doesn't really like
for it would denote this as "2-".

X+++ The ultimate Shadowrun rules!
X++ They got it just about right with this edition.
X+ Pretty good
X I'm indifferent to the rules of this edition.
X- I don't really like this edition.
X-- This edition sucks drek!
X--- I almost vowed never to play Shadowrun again after I'd experienced
this edition!

X! -- I've never played this edition.
X? -- I've never played this edition, but would like to try it.
!X -- I've never played this edition, and don't want to either!

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Throwing fire at the sun
-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 20
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:53:11 +0200
According to Ryan W. Bolduan, at 14:26 on 19 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

> Baby Numbers (seems popular right now):
> B+++ Not only was I in line, but I'm below 100!
> B++ I've got one, but I either had to wait in line forever or hack the
> HTML on the web sale.
> B+ Got one, don't ask how.
> B I caught a glimpse of it once, and I'd do anything for it.
> B- Of course a hardcover would be nice, but I don't need it.
> B-- Eh, doesn't really matter to me.
> B--- Why do I need a BABY? I have a 1st Edition Hardcover!

So what would that make me? B+++--- or so? :)

Also, like James pointed out for David's code, something like B? for
"What's a BABY?" and !B for "Frag off with your elitist BABYs!" would
need
to be added.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Throwing fire at the sun
-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 21
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:53:11 +0200
According to Ojaste,James [NCR], at 15:02 on 19 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

> House Rules:
[snip]
> h--- How dare you imply that FASA isn't perfect!

h---- I am Ivy K.

:)

> CHARACTERS:
> Deckers:
> d++++ I am the Smiling Bandit

You mean FastJack, of course...

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Throwing fire at the sun
-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 22
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:21:26 -0400
Brett Borger wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote:
> > SRGC V0.1 !SR1+ SR2++ SR3+++ h++ o+ d+(-) s+ m++ a+++ r--
>
> So the guy who wrote TheShop uses riggers as Cannon Fodder?

Doh! That 'r' was for Rockers. I can't believe I forgot riggers entirely.
*sigh* I blame it on the fact that I haven't played one in ages.

So either we need to use caps and lowercase, or more letters, or a
different system.

How's this for a different system:
Prefix "C" for Character style/archetype/class.
m magic
a adept powers
c cyberware
b bioware
d decking
r rigging

So a fan of burnouts could have Cmc+++ and a fan of cyberzombies would have
Cc+++++...

James Ojaste
Message no. 23
From: Logan Graves logan1@*****.intercom.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:37:41 -0400
In our last episode, Gurth wrote:
>
> > S ++++ I am Gurth.
>
> Shouldn't that be "I am Mike Mulvihill," or perhaps "I am Tom
Dowd"?

How about simply: "I am the Shadowrun DLOH." <--might have to spell this
out

--Logan
______________________________________________________logan1@*****.intercom.net
(>) Those of you without a sense of humor
are at the mercy of the rest of us!
(>) the Smiling Bandit, in typical form
Message no. 24
From: Logan Graves logan1@*****.intercom.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:44:02 -0400
In our last episode, David Buehrer wrote:
>
> It figures that Adam would promise SR"geek"code and get me excited, and
> then go on vacation :)
> I figure that that means it's up to the list :):)

Cool David,
Hows about adding a category for SR Websites (W):

W ++++ I am Paolo Marcucci. (Bow down before me! ;-)
W +++ My Website is exclusively devoted to Shadowrun.
W ++ Part of my website contains Shadowrun material.
W + I've got some really great SR links: FASA, TSA, TSS, UOL, BKK, HHH, etc.
W I mention Shadowrun in my list of hobbies.
W - My page's Shadowrun section should be up any day now...
W -- Nope, no SR stuff here, but check out my custom Omni-Mechs.
W --- I wouldn't give free hype space to SR if FASA paid me! AD&D Rules!!
W ---- I am R. Talsorian.

!W I don't even have a website.
W? What's an "SR Website?"

--Logan
______________________________________________________logan1@*****.intercom.net
(>) Those of you without a sense of humor
are at the mercy of the rest of us!
(>) the Smiling Bandit, in typical form
Message no. 25
From: Logan Graves logan1@*****.intercom.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:54:44 -0400
In our last episode, Gurth wrote:
>
> According to Ojaste,James [NCR], at 15:02 on 19 Apr 99, the word on
> the street was...
>
> > House Rules:
> [snip]
> > h--- How dare you imply that FASA isn't perfect!
>
> h---- I am Ivy K.

Actually, I'd call this one _a_keeper!_ ;-)

--Logan
______________________________________________________logan1@*****.intercom.net
(>) Well how was *I* supposed to know
they'd be so touchy about their acronym?!
(>) the Smiling Bandit, during the firefight with
the "Aztechnology Secret Service" agents
Message no. 26
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:19:26 EDT
In a message dated 4/20/1999 4:12:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
gurth@******.nl writes:

> House Rules:
> [snip]
> > h--- How dare you imply that FASA isn't perfect!
>
> h---- I am Ivy K.
>
> :)

Okay...why do I think that was a slam!?!

-K
Message no. 27
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:31:46 EDT
In a message dated 4/20/1999 6:46:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
logan1@*****.intercom.net writes:

> Cool David,
> Hows about adding a category for SR Websites (W):
>
> W ++++ I am Paolo Marcucci. (Bow down before me! ;-)

Oh great! Stroke that boy's ego some more why dontcha???? ;-P

> W +++ My Website is exclusively devoted to Shadowrun.
> W ++ Part of my website contains Shadowrun material.
> W + I've got some really great SR links: FASA, TSA, TSS, UOL, BKK, HHH,
> etc.

Actually, to me this should be rearranged. the "W+++" would be something
more like "the Website is Totally Dedicated to SR". The "W++" would
be what
you have for "W+". And the "W+ would be what you have "W++".

IMO

-K

> W I mention Shadowrun in my list of hobbies.
> W - My page's Shadowrun section should be up any day now...
> W -- Nope, no SR stuff here, but check out my custom Omni-Mechs.
> W --- I wouldn't give free hype space to SR if FASA paid me! AD&D Rules!!
> W ---- I am R. Talsorian.

!RT

-K
Message no. 28
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:45:26 +1000
At 11:31 21/04/99 EDT Ereskanti@***.com wrote
>In a message dated 4/20/1999 6:46:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>logan1@*****.intercom.net writes:
>

Is this code collated somewhere or is it
still in development? I can't seem to find
an original explanatory post.

Manx
timburke@*******.com.au
Message no. 29
From: Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:04:49 +0200
> Manx [SMTP:timburke@*******.com.au] wrote:
>
>Is this code collated somewhere or is it
>still in development? I can't seem to find
>an original explanatory post.

>Manx
>timburke@*******.com.au

following is what I collated up till now:

Shadowrun Geek Code

Identifier tag: SRGC
Version: v0.2

HOW WE PLAY:

GENERAL

Edition:
SRx (where x identifies the edition in question):

In the following, X stands for the number of the edition -- for example,

someone who has played second edition Shadowrun but doesn't really like
for it would denote this as "2-".

SRX+++ The ultimate Shadowrun rules!
SRX++ They got it just about right with this edition.
SRX+ Pretty good
SRX I'm indifferent to the rules of this edition.
SRX- I don't really like this edition.
SRX-- This edition sucks drek!
SRX--- I almost vowed never to play Shadowrun again after I'd
experienced
this edition!

SRX! -- I've never played this edition.
SRX? -- I've never played this edition, but would like to try it.
!SRX -- I've never played this edition, and don't want to either!


House Rules:

h+++ We have more house rules than official ones
h++ FASA left a lot of holes, and we've used a lot of putty
h+ Our house rules add a little flavour to the game
h We only have a couple of house rules. More guidelines, really.
h- I won't play with house rules.
h-- House rules are really just cheating.
h--- How dare you imply that FASA isn't perfect!


Book Ownership:

b++++ I am Jill Lucas.
b+++ I own *everything* SR published by FASA
b++ I have a couple of sourcebooks, and maybe an adventure or two
b+ I have the main book, and Street Samurai Catalog
b I have the main book
b- I remember most of my friend's copy
b-- I looked over it a few times at Waldenbooks, and make up the
rest
b--- Umm, they're made out of paper, right?
b? I thought they were just novels
!b Sourcebooks are just another way for eletists to show off, Fight
the system!


BABY Numbers:

B+++ Not only was I in line, but I'm below 100!
B++ I've got one, but I either had to wait in line forever or hack
the
HTML on the web sale.
B+ Got one, don't ask how.
B I caught a glimpse of it once, and I'd do anything for it.
B- Of course a hardcover would be nice, but I don't need it.
B-- Eh, doesn't really matter to me.
B--- Why do I need a BABY? I have a 1st Edition Hardcover!

B### List your actual BABY number, if you choose.


Universal Brotherhood:

UB++ Bought it when it came out, won't part with it for anything.
UB+ I finally got ahold of it, took me 3 years, but I have it.
UB You have the UB? I'll sell you my firstborn.
UB- UB is old hat, but it would fit well in my collecton.
UB-- Bugs suck, Chicago sucks, don't want it.


Immortal Elves:

IE+++ I am Harlequin and shall shape the world!!!!
IE++ IEs are awesome...they are behind everything...
IE+ The Immortal Elves are pretty cool. They'll probably show up
now
and then in my game.
IE Immortal Elves, huh? Sounds typical for fantasy elves...
IE- The Immortal Elves are okay, but WAY overused.
IE-- The entire Immortal Elf thing should never have happened.
IE--- If you even think Immortal Elves within earshot I'll rip your
head
off.

!IE I stubbornly refuse to get dragged into the entire Immortal Elf
debate.
?IE Immortal Elves? There are Immortal Elves????


ShadowRN Membership

RN++++ I'm a ShadowRN Admin.
RN+++ I'm a member of ShadowRN GridSec.
RN++ I read all my mail and post at least once a day.
RN+ I read most of my mail and post fairly regularly.
RN I'm a list member.
RN- I'm a lurker.
RN-- I subscribed once but couldn't keep up with the email.
RN--- What's ShadowRN?


Other Lists can be indicates as follows:
NERPS NERPS
SRC SRCard
STK ShadowTK
SRFF SRFanFic


CHARACTERS:

Deckers:
dk++++ I am the Smiling Bandit
dk+++ Captain Chaos asks me for advice
dk++ The matrix is everything I need
dk+ I think deckers are cool
dk Deckers can be useful at times
dk- Deckers are a pain in the backside
dk-- Deckers make good cannon fodder
dk--- I kill every decker I come across

Other character types follow the same pattern with the following code
letters:
sa Samurai
ma Mage
sh Shaman
ad Adept
ri Rigger
mc Merc
rk Rocker


Metahumans:
m+++ Human's are an allowed character type?!?
m++ Most of my characters are metahuman
m+ Metahumans are cool, I even play one now and then
m Metahuman/human...what's the difference...
m- I tend toward human characters
m-- Metahumans are to unbalanced...I doubt I'll ever play one
m--- I wear pointed ears around my neck...

Greater detail can be provided using the following:
e Elf
o Ork
t Troll
d Dwarf


PERSONAL PLAY STYLE:

Gamemastering:

gm+++ The original EvilGM (TM)
gm++ My campaigns are legends in my town.
gm+ I've been told I am a pretty good GM
gm I've gamemastered from time to time
gm- I tend to avoid gamemastering, it's not as much fun as playing.
gm-- I'm a lousy gamemaster...I pity the player that gets me to GM.
gm--- Gamemastering SUCKS. No way I'll take on that much work.


Munchkinism:

M+++ Has anyone seen where I put the nukes?
M++ Milspec isn't good enough for me...
M+ I occasionally go overboard on a character.
M Wiz gear is cool.
M- If it fits the character concept, I'll go for the good stuff.
M-- I never powergame. Every character has at least 3-4 pages of
well
thought out background.
M--- I've written deep novels about my characters and feel vaguely
ill
when standing near a Munchkin.

Sven :)
Message no. 30
From: Blair A. Monroe bmonroe@******.fsu.edu
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:35:29 -0400
At 06:04 PM 4/21/99 +0200, Sven De Herdt wrote:
>> Manx [SMTP:timburke@*******.com.au] wrote:
>>
> >Is this code collated somewhere or is it
> >still in development? I can't seem to find
> >an original explanatory post.
>
> >Manx
> >timburke@*******.com.au
>
> following is what I collated up till now:
>

This collation with credits for the people who have contributed to it so
far is also available at http://mailer.fsu.edu/~bmonroe/Shadowrun/SRGeek.html

-- Blair
------
Blair A. Monroe Phone: (850) 644-8114
Web Systems Administrator / Sr. Web Developer Fax: (850) 644-6253
School of Information Studies E-mail: bmonroe@******.fsu.edu
Florida State University
101 Louis Shores Bldg.
Tallahassee, FL. 32306 http://www.fsu.edu/~lis
Message no. 31
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:25:34 -0400
From: Ereskanti@***.com [mailto:Ereskanti@***.com]
> > Hows about adding a category for SR Websites (W):
> >
> > W ++++ I am Paolo Marcucci. (Bow down before me! ;-)
> > W +++ My Website is exclusively devoted to Shadowrun.
> > W ++ Part of my website contains Shadowrun material.
> > W + I've got some really great SR links: FASA, TSA,
> TSS, UOL, BKK, HHH,
> > etc.
>
> Actually, to me this should be rearranged. the "W+++" would
> be something
> more like "the Website is Totally Dedicated to SR". The
> "W++" would be what
> you have for "W+". And the "W+ would be what you have
"W++".

I think what he meant was:
W++ I've written up new Shadowrun material and posted it
W+ I haven't done anything original, but I've got some links

I think that W+++ should probably be reworded. How does one define a
website? I've got a server on the net; do I have to delete all non-SR
content to qualify? Or should I just get a Geocities account and move
my SR stuff there to qualify? ;-)

W+++ I've got a whole Shadowrun section with graphics and everything!
W+++ I've got more Shadowrun stuff than anything else
or even:
W+++ My Shadowrun section exceeded my disk space quota

James Ojaste
Message no. 32
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:32:18 -0400
From: Sven De Herdt [mailto:Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be]
> CHARACTERS:
>
> Deckers:
> dk++++ I am the Smiling Bandit
> dk+++ Captain Chaos asks me for advice
> dk++ The matrix is everything I need
> dk+ I think deckers are cool
> dk Deckers can be useful at times
> dk- Deckers are a pain in the backside
> dk-- Deckers make good cannon fodder
> dk--- I kill every decker I come across
>
> Other character types follow the same pattern with the following code
> letters:
> sa Samurai
> ma Mage
> sh Shaman
> ad Adept
> ri Rigger
> mc Merc
> rk Rocker

I still don't like this - there's far too many of them, and if somebody only
includes those archetypes that they feel strongly about, why bother with the
dk+, dk and dk- descriptions?

Maybe a hierarchical system?
M Magic
a adept
h hermetic
s shamanic
v voodoun
X Matrix
d decks
o otaku
s semi-autonomous knowbots
G Gear
c cyber
g guns
d drones
v vehicles

So the categories would be standard, with fine-tuning optional?
M++(a+++) X+(d-) G(v++)

James Ojaste
Message no. 33
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:42:00 -0600 (MDT)
Sven De Herdt wrote:
/
/ following is what I collated up till now:
/
/ Shadowrun Geek Code
/ Identifier tag: SRGC

How about calling it ShadowRN Geek Code (RNGC) instead?

/ Book Ownership:

[snip]

/ BABY Numbers:

I think BABY Numbers should be included with Book Ownership (or SR
Collection) with a special qualifier like *.

So someone might have SR3++(*). Or a BABY wanna be might have SR3+>* :)

/ Universal Brotherhood:

Again, maybe a specialqualifier like "ub". As with the above example
SR1+(ub)

/ Other character types follow the same pattern with the following code
/ letters:
/
/ mc Merc
/ rk Rocker

I think we should just stick to the basic archetypes.

/ Greater detail can be provided using the following:
/ e Elf
/ o Ork
/ t Troll
/ d Dwarf

I prefer the greater detail. And don't forget h for human :)

-David
--
"Earn what you have been given."
--
ShadowRN GridSec
The ShadowRN FAQ: http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair/
Geek Code: GCS d-( ) s++:->+ a@ C++>$ US P L >++ E? W++>+++ !N o-- K-
w+ o? M- VMS? PS+(++) PE+(++) Y+ !PGP t+(++) 5+(++) X++(+++) R+>$ tv+
b++ DI++++ D+(++) G e+>+++ h--->---- r+++ y+++
Message no. 34
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:02:28 +0200
According to Ereskanti@***.com, at 11:19 on 21 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

> > House Rules:
[more snip]
> > h---- I am Ivy K.
> >
> > :)
>
> Okay...why do I think that was a slam!?!

Partly. And partly it's poking fun at Ivy. For those that don't know
(about) Ivy, there's a very particular reason she's one of the two who get
Special Greetings in the PW book, The Player's Guide to Shadowrun House
Rules.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Throwing fire at the sun
-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 35
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:08:39 -0400
Gurth wrote:

> > S +++ I live and breath Shadowrun.
> > S ++ Shadowrun rules!
> > S + It's one of my favorite RPGs.
> > S It's a good RPG and a nice change of pace from other RPGs.
> > S - Played it once, didn't think much of it.
> > S -- I've heard of it, but haven't played it.
> > S --- What's Shadowrun? Is it like BattleTech?
>
> Replace BattleTech by AD&D.

Better yet (or worse dependenant on your POV), replace BattleTech with
Doom or one of it's ilk.

Iridios
"God does not roll dice"
-Albert Einstein
Message no. 36
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:41:43 EDT
In a message dated 4/21/99 11:07:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
iridios@*********.com writes:

> > > S +++ I live and breath Shadowrun.
> > > S ++ Shadowrun rules!
> > > S + It's one of my favorite RPGs.
> > > S It's a good RPG and a nice change of pace from other RPGs.
> > > S - Played it once, didn't think much of it.
> > > S -- I've heard of it, but haven't played it.
> > > S --- What's Shadowrun? Is it like BattleTech?
> >
> > Replace BattleTech by AD&D.
>
> Better yet (or worse dependenant on your POV), replace BattleTech with
> Doom or one of it's ilk.

well, for my small and unimportant contribution
S -- Shadowrun? you mean that (Genesis/SNES) game.
then S--- "Is it like Doom?"
and don't know if there is a S---- but maybe it should be "Shadowrun? does
that mean you are part of a cult?"
Message no. 37
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:42:51 -0400
From: David Buehrer [mailto:dbuehrer@******.carl.org]
> Sven De Herdt wrote:
> / following is what I collated up till now:
> / Shadowrun Geek Code
> / Identifier tag: SRGC
>
> How about calling it ShadowRN Geek Code (RNGC) instead?

I think that it should be Shadowrun, not ShadowRN. That way we can include
all the various lists as well as non-subscribers. The questions are all
Shadowrun-related anyhow.

The ShadowRN GC would have to include
Thwaps:
T+++ I thwap for bad spelling and poor grammar
T++ I only thwap people when they say something silly
T+ I've thwapped people for being stupid
T I thwapped somebody once
T- I get thwapped
T-- I get thwapped all the time
T--- I troll just so I can be thwapped

OTness:
OT+++ I am Bull
OT++ I post as much OT as on
OT+ I'll take part in the odd OT thread
OT I read the OT threads, but don't participate
OT- Label your OT posts with [OT], or risk raising my Thwap rating
OT-- This is ShadowRN, not Usenet! Get the OT out of here!

Quirks:
Q+++ I am MC23. You'll never know exactly how quirky I am...
Q++ ShadowRNers consider me odd
Q+ Mundanes consider me odd
Q My parents think I'm strange
Q- I'm pretty normal
Q-- I make normal look strange

Flames:
F+++ I am Dr. Doom
F++ What did you call his mother!?
F+ Watch your step and I'll shut up.
F I only flame when I'm really annoyed
F- I don't flame.
F-- I've developed an asbestos chair for just such occasions!
F--- Dr. Doom has memorized my email address

> / Book Ownership:
> / BABY Numbers:
>
> I think BABY Numbers should be included with Book Ownership (or SR
> Collection) with a special qualifier like *.
>
> So someone might have SR3++(*). Or a BABY wanna be might
> have SR3+>* :)

Good idea, maybe just a little off... Just expand * to mean "hardcover" and
that covers the others as well. The only concern I have is that SRx is how
much you like those rules, not necessarily whether you own the thing...
A minor quibble.

> / Universal Brotherhood:
>
> Again, maybe a specialqualifier like "ub". As with the above example
> SR1+(ub)

I think that book ratings should be kept to a minimum, and book ownership
specifically could get far too long...

> / Other character types follow the same pattern with the
> following code
> / letters:
> / mc Merc
> / rk Rocker
> I think we should just stick to the basic archetypes.

I prefer a more flexible system - where would a mage-rigger fit in here?

> / Greater detail can be provided using the following:
> / e Elf
> / o Ork
> / t Troll
> / d Dwarf
>
> I prefer the greater detail. And don't forget h for human :)

The detail should be added as a modifier to the original, I think.
So m--(e+++) would be "Metas suck, except elves - they're really cool!".
;-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 38
From: Snake Eyes snake.eyes@********.att.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:34:39 -0700
At 03:42 PM 4/21/99 -0400, James Ojaste wrote:
>
>I think that it should be Shadowrun, not ShadowRN. That way we can include
>all the various lists as well as non-subscribers. The questions are all
>Shadowrun-related anyhow.

I agree. I'd like to see this stay SR-centric, but not RN-specific.

>Flames:
>F+++ I am Dr. Doom
>F++ What did you call his mother!?
>F+ Watch your step and I'll shut up.
>F I only flame when I'm really annoyed
>F- I don't flame.
>F-- I've developed an asbestos chair for just such occasions!
>F--- Dr. Doom has memorized my email address

Should be modified to:

F- I've been flamed
!F I don't participate in flame wars

>I think that book ratings should be kept to a minimum, and book ownership
>specifically could get far too long...

I agree, but I do like the UB entry and the IE rating. What other devisive
issues exist among players/GMs on the list?

>I prefer a more flexible system - where would a mage-rigger fit in here?

I liked James' earlier post using magic/matrix/gear rather than archetype
ratings -- mostly because I know of nobody who actually uses only the book
archetypes. Most folks around here build from scratch, and are thus hard
to pigeon-hole. Would this denote player preference, or would it indicated
the player's primary character?

>The detail should be added as a modifier to the original, I think.
>So m--(e+++) would be "Metas suck, except elves - they're really cool!".
>;-)

That's a much better solution.

What about an entry under "Personal Play Style" denoting frequency and/or
intensity of play?

P+++ I don't come out of character long enough to go to class/work
P++ I live/eat/breathe SR
P+ SR is my primary social outlet
P I have a regular group and we play on weekends
P- I don't play as often as I'd like
P-- I haven't actually played in years
P--- I know some folks who have played SR

!P I don't actually play SR
P* I play, but only by e-mail/IRC

Humbly submitted for your perusal.

~Snake Eyes
Message no. 39
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:34:40 -0500
:> House Rules:
:> [snip]
:> > h--- How dare you imply that FASA isn't perfect!
:>
:> h---- I am Ivy K.
:>
:> :)
:
:Okay...why do I think that was a slam!?!
:
:-K

It may be, but not on you. You are more of a "h++++ (you mean FASA
publishes rules for SR, and people use them?)" type guy, K.

Mongoose

P.S. That also was'nt a slam. More in the tradition of a roast, actually.
:
:
Message no. 40
From: Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@***********.be
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:43:05 +0200
What do you think about 'Dragons':

D+++ I am Lofwyr and hold (meta)humankind in my claws
D++ Dragons are superior beings and are the 'real' rulers of the
world
D+ Dragons are kinda cool and I only get them out on these
'special' occasions
D Dragons are just another kind of critters used by the GM
D- Like dragons? You must be kidding, you Dunkie-lover.
D-- "I hate dragons and will slaughter them all" - aka dragonslayer
!D There is NO such things as dragons.
D? Dragons you say? Where? Can you show me?

Sven :)
SRCG v0.2 SR1! SR2++ SR3++ h b++>+++ B>+ UB->++ IE+(-) RN+(-) dk++>+++
sa- ma++ sh++ ad+ ri+ mc- m+ gm+>++(+++) M-(+) D+(+++)
Message no. 41
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:11:52 EDT
In a message dated 4/21/1999 2:45:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA writes:

>
> OTness:
> OT+++ I am Bull

Actually, that should be ...

OT+++ I am Spike

-K
Message no. 42
From: Kate . liliths_childe@*******.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:35:04 PDT
>> OTness:
>> OT+++ I am Bull
>
>Actually, that should be ...
>
>OT+++ I am Spike

I totally agree. The best ork decker you never met
works hard to stay on topic... fails a lot, but he
tries...

Kate


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Message no. 43
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*********.html.com
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:47:02 +1000
>W+++ I've got a whole Shadowrun section with graphics and everything!
>W+++ I've got more Shadowrun stuff than anything else
>or even:
>W+++ My Shadowrun section exceeded my disk space quota

Here's my suggestion:

W++++ I run a major fixture of Shadowrun on the web (The Archive, the
Webring, Shadowland, Deep Resonance, Blackjack's page, FASA's site etc)
W+++ My site is well known and popular (BKK, HHH, TSS, UOL, Magespace etc)
W++ I've got lots of good original stuff but my site's not as popular as it
deserves yet
W+ I've posted a couple of character sheets and a few links

etc...

Lady Jestyr

It might look like I'm doing | * Shadowrun Webring Ringmaster
nothing, but at the cellular | * Hibernator Extraordinaire
level I'm really quite busy. | * All-Around Superhero(TM)

* jestyr@*****.com | URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr *
Message no. 44
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:09:11 +0200
According to Kate ., at 15:35 on 21 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

> I totally agree. The best ork decker you never met
> works hard to stay on topic... fails a lot, but he
> tries...

What do you mean, "never met"? And in defense of Bull, I do believe we did
manage to stay on topic talking about Shadowrun (and keeping Tim
Kerby awake by doing so :)

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Throwing fire at the sun
-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 45
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:32:13 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Iridios hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Gurth wrote:
|
|> > S +++ I live and breath Shadowrun.
|> > S ++ Shadowrun rules!
|> > S + It's one of my favorite RPGs.
|> > S It's a good RPG and a nice change of pace from other RPGs.
|> > S - Played it once, didn't think much of it.
|> > S -- I've heard of it, but haven't played it.
|> > S --- What's Shadowrun? Is it like BattleTech?
|>
|> Replace BattleTech by AD&D.
|
|Better yet (or worse dependenant on your POV), replace BattleTech with
|Doom or one of it's ilk.

Nahhh... You have that as S---- [doesn't even know what an RPG is]
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Message no. 46
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:43:14 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Snake Eyes hastily scribble thusly...
|I agree, but I do like the UB entry and the IE rating. What other devisive
|issues exist among players/GMs on the list?

Are mages better than Street Sams?
Are mages better than Shamen?
Are Mages better than Awakebed woodchucks?
Can you cast spells through quickenings (SR1/SR2 only)?

And that's just to start.

|>I prefer a more flexible system - where would a mage-rigger fit in here?
|
|I liked James' earlier post using magic/matrix/gear rather than archetype
|ratings -- mostly because I know of nobody who actually uses only the book
|archetypes. Most folks around here build from scratch, and are thus hard
|to pigeon-hole. Would this denote player preference, or would it indicated
|the player's primary character?
|
|>The detail should be added as a modifier to the original, I think.
|>So m--(e+++) would be "Metas suck, except elves - they're really cool!".
|>;-)
|
|That's a much better solution.
|
|What about an entry under "Personal Play Style" denoting frequency and/or
|intensity of play?
|
|P+++ I don't come out of character long enough to go to class/work
|P++ I live/eat/breathe SR
|P+ SR is my primary social outlet
|P I have a regular group and we play on weekends
|P- I don't play as often as I'd like
|P-- I haven't actually played in years
|P--- I know some folks who have played SR
|
|!P I don't actually play SR
|P* I play, but only by e-mail/IRC
|
|Humbly submitted for your perusal.

How about the M rating...
M+++ I won't play unless I can have that +20 power focus with imumnity to
focus addiction.
M++ I don't like it unless I win.
M+ I have been known to bend the rules once in a while
M Nope. I don't cheat.
M- The rules are there for a reason. Stick to them!
M-- I don't even care about the dice rolls. It's the character interaction
I'm interested in.
M--- I never play anything where many dice rolls are needed. I pull
everything off by sheer charisma.
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
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Message no. 47
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:45:04 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Ereskanti@***.com hastily scribble thusly...
|
|In a message dated 4/21/1999 2:45:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
|James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA writes:
|
|>
|> OTness:
|> OT+++ I am Bull
|
|Actually, that should be ...
|
|OT+++ I am Spike

Bows and waves at applause...

Thank you, thank you friends....

:)

Exits stage left.
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Message no. 48
From: Barbie LeVile barbie@********.de
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:22:45 +0200
David Buehrer wrote:
>
> / Greater detail can be provided using the following:
> / e Elf
> / o Ork
> / t Troll
> / d Dwarf
>
> I prefer the greater detail. And don't forget h for human :)
>

and the special races also, like Free Spirits :)


--
Barbie
Message no. 49
From: Barbie LeVile barbie@********.de
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:29:45 +0200
Sven De Herdt wrote:
>

>
> Other Lists can be indicates as follows:
> NERPS NERPS
> SRC SRCard
> STK ShadowTK
> SRFF SRFanFic
>

Add the german list to it, SR_D :)

--
Barbie
Message no. 50
From: Joachim Sauer saua@***.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:42:33 +0000
A Halliwell wrote:
>
> And verily, did Iridios hastily scribble thusly...
> |
> |Gurth wrote:
> |
> |> > S +++ I live and breath Shadowrun.
> |> > S ++ Shadowrun rules!
> |> > S + It's one of my favorite RPGs.
> |> > S It's a good RPG and a nice change of pace from other RPGs.
> |> > S - Played it once, didn't think much of it.
> |> > S -- I've heard of it, but haven't played it.
> |> > S --- What's Shadowrun? Is it like BattleTech?
> |>
> |> Replace BattleTech by AD&D.
> |
> |Better yet (or worse dependenant on your POV), replace BattleTech with
> |Doom or one of it's ilk.
>
> Nahhh... You have that as S---- [doesn't even know what an RPG is]

Not that it would be of any importance, but why should anyone who
doesn't no what a RPG is (or Shadowrun) want to write a
Shadowrun-Geek-Code?

cu
Akira
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Message no. 51
From: Joachim Sauer saua@***.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:42:33 +0000
A Halliwell wrote:
>
> And verily, did Iridios hastily scribble thusly...
> |
> |Gurth wrote:
> |
> |> > S +++ I live and breath Shadowrun.
> |> > S ++ Shadowrun rules!
> |> > S + It's one of my favorite RPGs.
> |> > S It's a good RPG and a nice change of pace from other RPGs.
> |> > S - Played it once, didn't think much of it.
> |> > S -- I've heard of it, but haven't played it.
> |> > S --- What's Shadowrun? Is it like BattleTech?
> |>
> |> Replace BattleTech by AD&D.
> |
> |Better yet (or worse dependenant on your POV), replace BattleTech with
> |Doom or one of it's ilk.
>
> Nahhh... You have that as S---- [doesn't even know what an RPG is]

Not that it would be of any importance, but why should anyone who
doesn't no what a RPG is (or Shadowrun) want to write a
Shadowrun-Geek-Code?

cu
Akira
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Message no. 52
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:02:57 +0100 (BST)
And verily, did Joachim Sauer hastily scribble thusly...
|> Nahhh... You have that as S---- [doesn't even know what an RPG is]
|
|Not that it would be of any importance, but why should anyone who
|doesn't no what a RPG is (or Shadowrun) want to write a
|Shadowrun-Geek-Code?

Hey, the Geek Code is always one of extremes...
(It's mostly a bit of a laugh, so you should include a few ludicrous stats,
even if they never get chosen....)

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Message no. 53
From: Logan Graves logan1@*****.intercom.net
Subject: [META] SR Geekcode
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:33:49 -0400
In our last episode, Lady J wrote:

> Here's my suggestion:
>
> W++++ I run a major fixture of Shadowrun on the web (The Archive, the
> Webring, Shadowland, Deep Resonance, Blackjack's page, FASA's etc)
> W+++ My site is well known and popular (BKK, HHH, TSS, UOL, Magespace etc)
> W++ I've got lots of good original stuff but my site's not as popular as
> it deserves yet
> W+ I've posted a couple of character sheets and a few links
> etc...

Yes. Definitely a better arrangement. This gets my vote!

--Logan
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are at the mercy of the rest of us!
(>) the Smiling Bandit, in typical form

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