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Message no. 1
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:29:56 -0700
At 22:07 10/29/97 +0100, you wrote:
>> I can guarantee that Gurth gets out (occasionally :) ) and could get
>> in trouble because i still remember something :)
>
>I'm hoping your spelling is as good as your pronunciation... *grin*

I think I know how to pronounce it right.. :)

>Didn't he mention something to someone once (how much more vague can a
>question get? :) about re-joining the list once convention season was
>over?

Well, when I talked to him in Sept, he said he would like to re-join, but
he really doesn't have the time. It all boils down to people wanting
official answers from him, which he would be happy to give, but it means he
has to stop what he's doing and make a ruling, and in the case of some
on-the-spot rulings, be in error (His original FAB ruling about a year
ago..). Obviously, he doesn't like to do this.. That's one of the main
reasons he's not here.

He did want me to say (And I think I did post this once last month), that
he enjoyed the list and our company thoroughly, and really did want to be
back on the list. IOW: We didn't scare him off :)

-Adam


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Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:00:20 -0700
Adam J wrote:
|
[snip: where's FASAMike?]
|
| >Didn't he mention something to someone once (how much more vague can a
| >question get? :) about re-joining the list once convention season was
| >over?
|
| Well, when I talked to him in Sept, he said he would like to re-join, but
| he really doesn't have the time. It all boils down to people wanting
| official answers from him, which he would be happy to give, but it means he
| has to stop what he's doing and make a ruling, and in the case of some
| on-the-spot rulings, be in error (His original FAB ruling about a year
| ago..). Obviously, he doesn't like to do this.. That's one of the main
| reasons he's not here.
|
| He did want me to say (And I think I did post this once last month), that
| he enjoyed the list and our company thoroughly, and really did want to be
| back on the list. IOW: We didn't scare him off :)

Maybe a little addition to the FAQ to the effect that FASAMike visits
from time to time. If he shows his head, please, do not ask him
rules questions unless he invites them (like when Steve asks for our
opinions one specific areas of Magic).

And let Mike know that he doesn't have to answer every question that
comes up. That's Gurth's job :)

-David
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which ones to keep."
Message no. 3
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:20:25 -0500
David Buehrer once dared to write,

>And let Mike know that he doesn't have to answer every question that
>comes up. That's Gurth's job :)

Yeah, and it's my job to argue against him. B>]#

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Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:24:42 -0700
MC23 wrote:
|
| David Buehrer once dared to write,
|
| >And let Mike know that he doesn't have to answer every question that
| >comes up. That's Gurth's job :)
|
| Yeah, and it's my job to argue against him. B>]#

And it's everybody else's job to confuse the issues ;)

-David
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which ones to keep."
Message no. 5
From: Paolo Marcucci <paolo@*********.IT>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:03:52 +0100
At 08:24 31/10/97 -0700, David Buehrer said:
>MC23 wrote:
>| Yeah, and it's my job to argue against him. B>]#
>And it's everybody else's job to confuse the issues ;)

Not to forget the carps and grounding thingies... they seem to slide
comfortably into every argument :)
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Message no. 6
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:16:48 -0500
At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0700, David Buehrer wrote these timeless words:

>Maybe a little addition to the FAQ to the effect that FASAMike visits
>from time to time. If he shows his head, please, do not ask him
>rules questions unless he invites them (like when Steve asks for our
>opinions one specific areas of Magic).
>
I really like this idea... Mike likes the list, and might want to rejoin,
but is probably afraid he's get bombarded by "What will be in SR3?" and
"Why did you do this with Rigger 2?" type questions...

>And let Mike know that he doesn't have to answer every question that
>comes up. That's Gurth's job :)
>
And rules quotes are Sascha's...

(Speaking of which, I notice you having been doing that lately, Sascha.
How come?)

Bull
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Message no. 7
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:40:25 -0800
Bull wrote:
>
> At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0700, David Buehrer wrote these timeless words:
>
> >Maybe a little addition to the FAQ to the effect that FASAMike visits
> >from time to time. If he shows his head, please, do not ask him
> >rules questions unless he invites them (like when Steve asks for our
> >opinions one specific areas of Magic).
> >
> I really like this idea... Mike likes the list, and might want to rejoin,
> but is probably afraid he's get bombarded by "What will be in SR3?" and
> "Why did you do this with Rigger 2?" type questions...

Like the list hasn't been flooded enough with SR3 wishlist things? ;)

But yes, this would be nice for Mike if he didn't get bombarded. It would
also be nice for Mike, Steve, Jak et all if the list was a bit more on
topic, wouldn't everyone agree? Something to the effect of 'official'
visitors will be added in a soon version fo the FAQ.

Yes, I *am* harping on the issue. After multiple thread kills, and [Admin]
posts, people *still* insist that they can posts as many [OT] posts as they
want. *sigh* Well, ShadowRN used to be very good at self regulating, but
alas, that is no more...

> >And let Mike know that he doesn't have to answer every question that
> >comes up. That's Gurth's job :)
> >
> And rules quotes are Sascha's...
>
> (Speaking of which, I notice you having been doing that lately, Sascha.
> How come?)

He does that on occasion. He'd be after Gurth position if he wasn't so
irregular with it. ;)

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Message no. 8
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:57:04 -0500
Dvixen once dared to write,

>Yes, I *am* harping on the issue. After multiple thread kills, and [Admin]
>posts, people *still* insist that they can posts as many [OT] posts as they
>want. *sigh* Well, ShadowRN used to be very good at self regulating, but
>alas, that is no more...

I think you are just more sensitive about OT since it became your
job to squelch continuing ones. I hate to say but from my POV your kill
notices revived a few of the dying OT posts. Reverse psychology and all
that jazz I guess.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 9
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:53:38 +0000
In article <199711012158.QAA05296@******.mindspring.com>, MC23
<mc23@**********.COM> writes
>Dvixen once dared to write,
>>Yes, I *am* harping on the issue. After multiple thread kills, and [Admin]
>>posts, people *still* insist that they can posts as many [OT] posts as they
>>want.

> I think you are just more sensitive about OT since it became your
>job to squelch continuing ones.

It's _far_ worse now than it was a year ago. I used to read ShadowRN
avidly: now I skim it briefly, because so much of it is off-topic. I'm
not too keen on debating Inspector Gadget, parenting techniques or
Vegemite... so could those who are, please take it private?


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praiseworthy...

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Message no. 10
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 02:57:30 +0000
In article <GH9T8oAi09W0EwJm@********.demon.co.uk>, "Paul J. Adam"
<shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK> waffled & burbled about Mike M (Was Re:
List Dates ..)
>In article <199711012158.QAA05296@******.mindspring.com>, MC23
><mc23@**********.COM> writes

>> I think you are just more sensitive about OT since it became your
>>job to squelch continuing ones.
>
>It's _far_ worse now than it was a year ago. I used to read ShadowRN
>avidly: now I skim it briefly, because so much of it is off-topic. I'm
>not too keen on debating Inspector Gadget, parenting techniques or
>Vegemite... so could those who are, please take it private?

I'd have to agree with Paul on this one, although OT posts are always
going to happen on any mailing list/news group it has got to silly
extremes these days. Again, like Paul, i don't tend to post a great
deal into this grooup anymore, and tend to bulk delete a lot of the
mail.

It also seems that people are more disrespectful of the FAQ Keeper and
listowners' requests to keep OT posts to a minimum, or kill them within
24 hours, taking the thing to private mail... That's a tad
unforgiveable.. When the owner of the list asks that it stops, and
people carry on, you can only sit back and wait for Mark to get cheesed
off with it and shut down the list. Don't think it can't happen, it's
happened before to other lists.

It's a shame, but I live in hope of some sense returning eventually.

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Message no. 11
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:53:19 +0500
On 2 Nov 97 at 2:57, Avenger wrote:

> It also seems that people are more disrespectful of the FAQ Keeper
> and listowners' requests to keep OT posts to a minimum, or kill them
> within 24 hours, taking the thing to private mail... That's a tad
> unforgiveable.. When the owner of the list asks that it stops, and
> people carry on, you can only sit back and wait for Mark to get
> cheesed off with it and shut down the list. Don't think it can't
> happen, it's happened before to other lists.

I think this comes about for two reasons. One, people really need to
read all their mail before sending any replies. That way, they don't
respond to an OT message, only to read three mails down, that a
thread was killed. It has happened before, I've seen it. Hell, I've
done it.
Secondly, several people on the list need to resist the urge to reply
to every thread, especially the OT ones.

> It's a shame, but I live in hope of some sense returning eventually.

Perhaps the above topics being added in the FAQ will help. I have to
admit, I for one enjoy the OT stuff, but I will concede that this
list is not the time or place for it. I have tried to cut down my own
OT posting, and will continue in that endeavor.

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Message no. 12
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:14:32 +0000
And verily, did Drekhead hastily scribble thusly...
|I think this comes about for two reasons. One, people really need to
|read all their mail before sending any replies. That way, they don't
|respond to an OT message, only to read three mails down, that a
|thread was killed. It has happened before, I've seen it. Hell, I've
|done it.

That's how I always do it.
(There aren't enough hours in that day to read all the messages and then
remember what I was going to say to the ones I was thinking of responding
to.)

That's why, when a thread is killed, it doesn't drop dead instantly, but
more sort of.... fades away....

|Secondly, several people on the list need to resist the urge to reply
|to every thread, especially the OT ones.

Awwww....
Do I HAVE to????
:(

|Perhaps the above topics being added in the FAQ will help. I have to
|admit, I for one enjoy the OT stuff, but I will concede that this
|list is not the time or place for it. I have tried to cut down my own
|OT posting, and will continue in that endeavor.

The point is,I think, that shadowrn is more than just a shadowrun mailing
list.

Things like this evolve. People get to know one another, become friends and
chat incessantly.

It's more a small community than just a list now....
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Message no. 13
From: Mirko Cegledi <storm@**********.INFORMATIK.FH-DORTMUND.DE>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:34:45 +0100
On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Spike wrote:

(...)
> The point is,I think, that shadowrn is more than just a shadowrun mailing
> list.
>
> Things like this evolve. People get to know one another, become friends and
> chat incessantly.
>
> It's more a small community than just a list now....

Hmmm...seems to be right, but I don't think that all this chat-stuff have
to run over the mailinglist, right? There are ways to send private mails,
too. ;)

Cu (?)

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a: none. the universe spins the bulb and the zen master stays out of the
way.

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Message no. 14
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:08:46 +0000
|Hmmm...seems to be right, but I don't think that all this chat-stuff have
|to run over the mailinglist, right? There are ways to send private mails,
|too. ;)

Possibly, but a bit awkward having a 5 way converstion over private mail...

|Cu (?)

Copper... Simple...

Hg (?)
:)

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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
|Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
|Principal Subjects in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
|Comp Sci & Electronics | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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Message no. 15
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:07:29 -0500
Drekhead once dared to write,

>Secondly, several people on the list need to resist the urge to reply
>to every thread, especially the OT ones.

But, but,... We will never hear from Bull again then. B>[#

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 16
From: "Mark A. Imbriaco" <mark@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:33:39 -0500
On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Dvixen wrote:

> Bull wrote:
> >
> > At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0700, David Buehrer wrote these timeless words:
> >
> > >Maybe a little addition to the FAQ to the effect that FASAMike visits
> > >from time to time. If he shows his head, please, do not ask him
> > >rules questions unless he invites them (like when Steve asks for our
> > >opinions one specific areas of Magic).
> > >
> > I really like this idea... Mike likes the list, and might want to rejoin,
> > but is probably afraid he's get bombarded by "What will be in SR3?"
and
> > "Why did you do this with Rigger 2?" type questions...
>
> Like the list hasn't been flooded enough with SR3 wishlist things? ;)
>
> But yes, this would be nice for Mike if he didn't get bombarded. It would
> also be nice for Mike, Steve, Jak et all if the list was a bit more on
> topic, wouldn't everyone agree? Something to the effect of 'official'
> visitors will be added in a soon version fo the FAQ.

I totally agree. And we'll enforce it heavily.

> Yes, I *am* harping on the issue. After multiple thread kills, and [Admin]
> posts, people *still* insist that they can posts as many [OT] posts as they
> want. *sigh* Well, ShadowRN used to be very good at self regulating, but
> alas, that is no more...

True. I'm going to become more totalitarian about this kind
of thing until we get back onto an even keel. Fro, consider
free to unsubscribe people who repeatedly post OT for no apparent
reason. If you have any problems with them after unsubscribing,
let me know and I'll permanently disallow them access.


-Mark
Message no. 17
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:01:38 +0000
On 31 Oct 97 at 17:16, Bull wrote:
[snip jobs]
> And rules quotes are Sascha's...
>
> (Speaking of which, I notice you having been doing that lately, Sascha.
> How come?)
See Sascha's Manifesto, pp. 2-6: "To answer a question <here is the
page break> find the sourcebook and page and quote the stuff, then
<another page break, small book!>remind them to <font size+(>Buy The
Books</font><another page break>and <font size+(>Make Mike
Happy!</font>"

Hope noone uses html-mailers... *grin*
This is what happens if I find some urgent reasons not to clean my room
- I read through the ShadowRN folder :-)

On 1 Nov 97 at 13:40, Dvixen wrote:
> He does that on occasion. He'd be after Gurth position if he wasn't so
> irregular with it. ;)
I feel flattered, but honestly, I do not have the time to post as
regulary as Gurth (and you know, I still try to keep IF1 alive :-)

Sascha
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Message no. 18
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:01:38 +0000
On 3 Nov 97 at 17:08, Spike wrote:
> |Hmmm...seems to be right, but I don't think that all this chat-stuff have
> |to run over the mailinglist, right? There are ways to send private mails,
> |too. ;)
> Possibly, but a bit awkward having a 5 way converstion over private mail...
Nope - set it up in your ~/.elm/.alias.text file as group. There you
go. Or use a graphical mail program that allows to create groups
_and_even_can_set_the_reply-to-field_per group! (<-shameless plug for
Pegasus Mailer :-)

> |Cu (?)
> Copper... Simple...
>
> Hg (?)
> :)
Quecksilber, err... Quicksilver (uh-oh. Again I risked myself into
dangerous areas like chemestry...) *dives under Gurth's stairs*

Sascha
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| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de| you, you wouldn't |
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Message no. 19
From: Haloween Jack <ST97000132@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:04:46 -0500
On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:01:38 +0000 Sascha Pabst
<Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE> wrote:


> Nope - set it up in your ~/.elm/.alias.text file as group. There you
> go. Or use a graphical mail program that allows to create groups
> _and_even_can_set_the_reply-to-field_per group! (<-shameless plug for
> Pegasus Mailer :-)

Yup, I would agree with that pegasus was quite a good
mailer.

>
> > |Cu (?)
> > Copper... Simple...
> >
> > Hg (?)
> > :)
> Quecksilber, err... Quicksilver (uh-oh. Again I risked myself into
> dangerous areas like chemestry...) *dives under Gurth's stairs*

Nope Hg if I remember correctly is Mercury.

Well I should Know as I am a chemistry teacher. If I have
got it worng please shoot me.

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and pain. Except if you are into S&M then
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Message no. 20
From: Haloween Jack <ST97000132@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mike M (Was Re: List Dates ..)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:52:51 -0500
On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:01:38 +0000 Sascha Pabst
<Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE> wrote:

> > Hg (?)
> > :)
> Quecksilber, err... Quicksilver (uh-oh. Again I risked myself into
> dangerous areas like chemestry...) *dives under Gurth's
stairs*

Ignore my last posting as I had not read the post I was
replying to correctly. Hg is mercury AKA quicksilver sorry
about my abvious cock up.




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