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Message no. 1
From: Adam Lewis <adamswork@*****.COM>
Subject: Miniatures
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:33:06 -0700
I'm sure that this is an old topic, but are their any decent
miniatures out that you use for SR?


==
AdamL

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patterns."



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Message no. 2
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Miniatures
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:46:34 -0400
Adam Lewis wrote:
>
> I'm sure that this is an old topic, but are their any decent
> miniatures out that you use for SR?

The Shadowrun miniatures (from Ral Partha) seem to work nicely for the
purpose... >8->


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- Steve Eley
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Message no. 3
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Miniatures
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:45:50 -0400
Adam Lewis wrote:
> I'm sure that this is an old topic, but are their any decent
> miniatures out that you use for SR?
>
Funny you should mention this - our group is just starting to try using
minis for SR (we've got a couple of W40k players and a few SD players).
I assume that you've seen the Ral Partha minis - most of them aren't
really fitting, though. I'd suggest just browsing through whatever
stores you've got nearby.

My current char is a polearm-wielding Norse Giant, so you can imagine
the fun I had trying to find a fitting mini. I ended up getting a
figure from a larger scale and a polearm from the normal scale and
sitting down with a file for an evening. :-P

James Ojaste
Message no. 4
From: Sean McCrohan <mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Miniatures
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:47:49 -0400
> Adam Lewis wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure that this is an old topic, but are their any decent
> > miniatures out that you use for SR?
>
> The Shadowrun miniatures (from Ral Partha) seem to work nicely for the
> purpose... >8->
>

Especially since (last time I checked) FASA now owns Ral Partha. Did
I misremember this, or is it actually the case?

--Sean
Message no. 5
From: Adam Lewis <adamswork@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Miniatures
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:57:28 -0700
--Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET> wrote:
>
> Adam Lewis wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure that this is an old topic, but are their any decent
> > miniatures out that you use for SR?
>
> The Shadowrun miniatures (from Ral Partha) seem to work nicely for the
> purpose... >8->


Ah..so you're saying that they make specific minis for SR?

I see...yeah, I guess they *would* work..


==
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Message no. 6
From: Rick Riessen <chrome@********.ORG>
Subject: Re: Miniatures
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:45:40 -0400
>Funny you should mention this - our group is just starting to try using
>minis for SR (we've got a couple of W40k players and a few SD players).
>I assume that you've seen the Ral Partha minis - most of them aren't
>really fitting, though. I'd suggest just browsing through whatever
>stores you've got nearby.
>
>My current char is a polearm-wielding Norse Giant, so you can imagine
>the fun I had trying to find a fitting mini. I ended up getting a
>figure from a larger scale and a polearm from the normal scale and
>sitting down with a file for an evening. :-P


I also have some old Traveller and Twilight 2000 minis that fit in real
well.
Oh, and some old Call of Cthulhu minis for the mage and service types (I
have
some butlers and chauffers from CoC). And the great thing about these is
that you can typically find them in the discount bin.

CT
Message no. 7
From: Steadfast <laughingman@*******.DE>
Subject: Re: Miniatures
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:17:01 +0200
And so it came to happen that AdamL wrote:

----------
> I'm sure that this is an old topic, but are their any decent
> miniatures out that you use for SR?

You maybe will have a hard time to get a grab on thees but the "Future
Warriors" from Grenadier were VERY fine miniatures. Actually, the best IMO.
Saddly this company is no more. But with a bit of luck you'll get some of
these.
Good hunting!

--->Steadfast
to be "human" is not a state of living
I want to achieve.
Message no. 8
From: Rick J Federle <griffinhq@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Miniatures
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:30:28 -0400
On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:47:49 -0400 Sean McCrohan
<mccrohan@*****.OIT.GATECH.EDU> writes:
>> Adam Lewis wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm sure that this is an old topic, but are their any decent
>> > miniatures out that you use for SR?
>>
>> The Shadowrun miniatures (from Ral Partha) seem to work nicely for
>the
>> purpose... >8->
>>
>
>Especially since (last time I checked) FASA now owns Ral Partha. Did
>I misremember this, or is it actually the case?
>
> --Sean
>
Last time I was over at Partha, that's what they told me.
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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Miniatures
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:36:40 +0200
According to Adam Lewis, at 8:33 on 18 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> I'm sure that this is an old topic, but are their any decent
> miniatures out that you use for SR?

Ral Partha makes a whole range of SR miniatures (and they have good
service too -- I bought their DocWagon ambulance at GenCon but a few parts
were missing; I emailed them about it, and 1 1/2 weeks later I received
them in the mail).

Anyway, apart from a bunch of those I've also got some Grenadier UK
figures from their Future Wars series that are suitable for SR (they're a
bit clunkier than Partha's figures, but still suitable), some Ground Zero
Games (very good, especially because they also include non-combatants like
protesters, mechanics, and kids), some Indians from Guernsey Foundry, and
others. A lot of 25 mm sci-fi/cyberpunk figures will do for SR, really.

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Message no. 10
From: Aristotle antithesis@**********.com
Subject: Miniatures.
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:31:53 -0500
Greetings -n- Salutations,

I know the topic of using miniatures in games has come up before. I
personally enjoy using them, when I can afford them. Since I run more than
one game system I am interested in buying a variety of minis that may be
useable through different systems. However I know *nothing* about wargaming
and "scale."

What scale are the SR miniatures, and can you give examples of other
companies who provide minis of a similar scale? I realize that for
critters/creatures the scale is much less important, as long as they are
close to scale, but I would like to keep humans, elves, etc on the same scale.

Does this question make any sense at all? :)

Signed,
Aristotle, The Sleeping Op.
Message no. 11
From: Sven De Herdt Sven.DeHerdt@******.com
Subject: Miniatures.
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:06:44 +0100
Aristotle [mailto:antithesis@**********.com] wrote:

<snip>
> What scale are the SR miniatures, and can you give examples of other
> companies who provide minis of a similar scale? I realize that for
> critters/creatures the scale is much less important, as long
> as they are
> close to scale, but I would like to keep humans, elves, etc
> on the same scale.
>
> Does this question make any sense at all? :)

IIRC Ral Partha offers quite some range of shadowrun miniatures (combat
bikers, docwagon,..), but I don't really know what scale they use and I
don't think the figurines all have the same scale.

I also don't really like them very much, because of their lack of detail,
but they are quite usefull since it really offers a range of shadowrun
archetypes which can be used out of the box.

Just my thoughts,

-Sven :)
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Message no. 12
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Miniatures.
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:07:32 +0100
According to Aristotle, at 10:31 on 16 Feb 00, the word on the street
was...

> However I know *nothing* about wargaming and "scale."

Scale is very easy. It's expressed as a ratio, like 1:72 or 1:35 (also
written 1/72 or 1/35) that simply means the original is 72 or 35 times
bigger than the model you're looking at. You know where you stand with
this :)

Figure modellers, as well as wargamers, also use the word "scale" to refer
to the height of a figure, as in "54 mm" or "25 mm." Unlike with a
scale
ratio, this way of expressing figure sizes is very confusing, because most
figures aren't precisely of the height mentioned, and furthermore, it can
refer to different things: some people say it's from the bottom of the
feet to the top of the head, while according to others it's to the top of
the head-dress, and so on.

> What scale are the SR miniatures, and can you give examples of other
> companies who provide minis of a similar scale? I realize that for
> critters/creatures the scale is much less important, as long as they are
> close to scale, but I would like to keep humans, elves, etc on the same scale.

SR figures from Ral Partha are billed as 25 mm, but they're actually
closer to 30 mm. That puts them at roughly 1:60 scale (assuming a standing
man is about 1.80 m tall: 30 mm x 60 = 1800 mm = 1.8 m). Nearly all other
figures that are labelled as 25 mm, as well as 28 mm, will be about the
same size as Partha's SR figures.

In this respect, though, it's very important to mention that there are two
styles of fantasy and SF figures: fairly realistic, and cartoonish.
Partha's are the former, Citadel's the latter. The reason this needs to be
said is because you can usually mix figures by different manufacturers as
long as they're in the same style; different styles, though, look very odd
standing next to each other.

For example, I've got plenty of Ral Partha's SR figures, and mix them with
other figures from Ground Zero Games and Grenadier on the few occasions I
actually use them (although many of Grenadier's are so big they're halfway
between the two styles). I wouldn't use a Warhammer 40,000 figure with
them, though, because it will just look silly. The other side is that if
you were to try using SR figures in a WH40K game, the SR figures will look
equally out of place :)

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Message no. 13
From: David Hinkley dhinkley@***.org
Subject: Miniatures.
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:53:05 -0800
Date sent: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:31:53 -0500
To: ShadowRN@*********.org
From: Aristotle <antithesis@**********.com>
Subject: Miniatures.
Send reply to: shadowrn@*********.org

> Greetings -n- Salutations,
>
> I know the topic of using miniatures in games has come up before. I
> personally enjoy using them, when I can afford them. Since I run more than
> one game system I am interested in buying a variety of minis that may be
> useable through different systems. However I know *nothing* about wargaming
> and "scale."
>
> What scale are the SR miniatures, and can you give examples of other
> companies who provide minis of a similar scale? I realize that for
> critters/creatures the scale is much less important, as long as they are
> close to scale, but I would like to keep humans, elves, etc on the same scale.

Ral Parthas are 25mm.

The following Ral Partha lines have some usable figures, some or all maybe
out of production
Spies and Private Eyes
Twilight 2000 (different name)
Science Fiction (space) selected figures
Roaring Twenties (different name)
Grenadier---- out of production but available at convention swapmeets
Call of Cathulo
Spies and Mercenaries
Prinz August
Bitume Futureshock

Also there are a numberof firms making WWII, Viet Nam Military Figures in
25mm that will work. Stay away from the 20mm as they will be much to small.
There are also several companies making 1920s and Victorian figures
including civilians selected figures can be used across period.

As to mounting. 3/4 or 1 inch square stands work best for human sized
figures. For larger figures the first critrium is whether or not the stand keeps
the figure up right, then as small as possible. Vehicles none or a small as
possible. Face the figure to a flat side of the base.


> Does this question make any sense at all? :)


Yes, the only stupid questions are the ones not asked.... :-)

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