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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: Minis, Sales, and the final numbers...
Date: Sat Jan 27 15:55:01 2001
Heya all, I talked to Mike a bit yesterday, passing on the condolences and
well wishes of most of us. For those of you that expressed your concern
for his future, he says Thank You.

Anyways, we talked for a bit, and he gave me the breakdown of how sales
were doing for FASA at the end there. (And sorry if this was already
posted by someone else. 'I'm only skimming the threads lightly at this
point.)

Shadowrun was making money. A lot of money. More money than any other
game line has ever made. (Gee, AE, I guess FASA was REALLY going in the
wrong direction with SR nd totally screwing it up, eh?).

Battletech was breaking even, and that only because of Miniatures sales and
licensing (ie, the Computer game).

Vor was just under the redline, once again mostly because of the Miniatures
sales. The "paper" end of it was losing money.

Crucible and Crimson Skies have been losing money since day one. The
Miniatures side was making some money, but not enough to comp for the big
losses on the paper side.

Unfortunately, overall, they couldn't keep up in the end...

The funny thing is, while the Mini's lines did, indeed, kill FASA... It
wasn't the Miniatures themselves. <shurg> Partha probably would have been
doing well had they been a seperate entity...

Bull
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (MC23)
Subject: Minis, Sales, and the final numbers...
Date: Sun Jan 28 10:10:01 2001
Once upon a time, Bull wrote;

>The funny thing is, while the Mini's lines did, indeed, kill FASA... It
>wasn't the Miniatures themselves. <shurg> Partha probably would have been
>doing well had they been a seperate entity...

But I don't think Ral Partha was doing so good when FASA originally
bought a share in them (before they bought the whole company). I think
the powers that be just wanted to close shop regardless.

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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (J. Keith Henry)
Subject: Minis, Sales, and the final numbers...
Date: Sun Jan 28 11:00:01 2001
From: "MC23" <mc23@**********.com>
Subject: Re: Minis, Sales, and the final numbers...


> Once upon a time, Bull wrote;
> >The funny thing is, while the Mini's lines did, indeed, kill FASA... It
> >wasn't the Miniatures themselves. <shurg> Partha probably would have
been
> >doing well had they been a seperate entity...
>
> But I don't think Ral Partha was doing so good when FASA originally
> bought a share in them (before they bought the whole company). I think
> the powers that be just wanted to close shop regardless.

I think MC is right on this account. I seem to recall that parts of RP were
not selling as well as first believed. But again, I don't track mini's very
much/often, so I could easily have misheard/misread this information.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
J. Keith Henry ("K" "NeoJudas")
Hoosier Hacker House (http://hoosierhackerhouse.com/)
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Bull)
Subject: Minis, Sales, and the final numbers...
Date: Sun Jan 28 16:00:21 2001
At 11:17 AM 1/28/01 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "MC23" <mc23@**********.com>
>Subject: Re: Minis, Sales, and the final numbers...
>
>
> > Once upon a time, Bull wrote;
> > >The funny thing is, while the Mini's lines did, indeed, kill FASA... It
> > >wasn't the Miniatures themselves. <shurg> Partha probably would have
>been
> > >doing well had they been a seperate entity...
> >
> > But I don't think Ral Partha was doing so good when FASA originally
> > bought a share in them (before they bought the whole company). I think
> > the powers that be just wanted to close shop regardless.
>
>I think MC is right on this account. I seem to recall that parts of RP were
>not selling as well as first believed. But again, I don't track mini's very
>much/often, so I could easily have misheard/misread this information.

Oh no, MC is right. Partha was mismanaged fairly badly itself for a long
time. These days it's slimmed down a bit, selling less "non-game" minis
(ie, generic fantasy stuff) and more directly game related minis (Vor,
Crucible, Crimson Skies, etc.)

That was sort of a joke on my part, really... Nevermind. Move
along. Nothing to see here. It was just a bad joke accident...

Bull

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