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Message no. 1
From: Role Playing Manager <moria@*****.EERIE.FR>
Subject: mirrors in astral
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 08:02:28 GMT
Hoi chummers.

As I have scanned through the mails about magic and fiber optic, I
was wondering what's the representation of a mirror in the astral space.

You know that astral is composed of feelings and auras. Even if you're in
the dark, I think you can see something in astral space. So, why a mirror
would keep his properties in astral. Does a glass is always transparent there,
Does a one way mirror is alway one way, do you see something by reflection on
a glass?

Think about it and tell me


Ben - NightWolf

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Message no. 2
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:01:00 PST
>/ >Also, how does that mirror work in astral space? Can you see a
reflected image in a-space? Glass is still transparent....
>/
>/
>/ IIRC, Mirrors are glass with a thin silver (or other shiny substance)
backing.
>/
>/ So, in Astral it works sorta like this.
>/ You see through the glass but, the silver (or whatever) blocks vision
and does not reflect anything.
>
>Nope. Since you can use a mirror to target a spell cast in the
>"real" world, it stands to reason that mirrors reflect auras. So, if
>you look at a mirror in astral space it should reflect auras in
>astral space.
>

Yeah, thatwasmyimplication wit "glassis still transparent"-
itstrasnparent for magical purposes because its transparent in the real
world. Mirrors behave similarly, reflecting on both planes. I can see
no reason why the "silver backing" wouldn't reflect still- thats its
intention. Such simple intententionscarry over, even though astral
sight doesn't actually reflect the physics of light.
Hell, I suppose an astral mage could use an optical telescope!

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Message no. 3
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:16:40 +0000
On 30 Jan 98, Mon goose disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
writing:

<snip>

> Yeah, thatwasmyimplication wit "glassis still transparent"-
> itstrasnparent for magical purposes because its transparent in the
> real world.

Actually, I prefer the much more simple and elegant explanation:
Glass is transparent on astral because it's not solid - it's a
liquid.

I don't know what would I do with mirrors in that case, though. ;P

<snip>

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Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:25:22 +0000
And verily, did Leszek Karlik, aka Mike hastily scribble thusly...
|
|On 30 Jan 98, Mon goose disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
|writing:
|
|<snip>
|
|> Yeah, thatwasmyimplication wit "glassis still transparent"-
|> itstrasnparent for magical purposes because its transparent in the
|> real world.
|
|Actually, I prefer the much more simple and elegant explanation:
|Glass is transparent on astral because it's not solid - it's a
|liquid.

OK then. What about plastic?
That's a solid, and most windows in 2058 will be made out of a cheap
shatterproof glass substitute.....

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Message no. 5
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:37:20 PST
>Actually, I prefer the much more simple and elegant explanation:
>Glass is transparent on astral because it's not solid - it's a
>liquid.

Um, Mercury is a liquid. So is lava. What's the realation to
transparency?

mongoose

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Message no. 6
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:45:44 +0000
On 30 Jan 98, Spike disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
writing:

> And verily, did Leszek Karlik, aka Mike hastily scribble thusly...

<snip>

> |Actually, I prefer the much more simple and elegant explanation:
> |Glass is transparent on astral because it's not solid - it's a
> |liquid.

> OK then. What about plastic?
> That's a solid, and most windows in 2058 will be made out of a cheap
> shatterproof glass substitute.....

D'oh.

Oh well, back to the drawing board... <mutter mutter>


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Message no. 7
From: Zixx <t_berghoff@*********.NETSURF.DE>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:28:47 +0000
On 30 Jan 98 at 21:16, Leszek Karlik, aka Mike wrote:

> On 30 Jan 98, Mon goose disseminated foul capitalist propaganda by
> writing:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Yeah, thatwasmyimplication wit "glassis still transparent"-
> > itstrasnparent for magical purposes because its transparent in the
> > real world.
>
> Actually, I prefer the much more simple and elegant explanation:
> Glass is transparent on astral because it's not solid - it's a
> liquid.

Well, from that POV, everything's a liquid...

Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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Message no. 8
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:32:01 +1000
Zixx writes:
>> Actually, I prefer the much more simple and elegant explanation:
>> Glass is transparent on astral because it's not solid - it's a
>> liquid.
>
>Well, from that POV, everything's a liquid...


No... glass really is a liquid. Convection circulation and Brownian motion,
the lot. It's just a VERY viscous liquid.

As an example, stained-glass windows in medieval cathedrals exhibit the
effects of gravity on glass, which, if it was solid, wouldn't have occurred.

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Message no. 9
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:14:45 PST
>No... glass really is a liquid. Convection circulation and Brownian
motion, the lot. It's just a VERY viscous liquid.
>
>As an example, stained-glass windows in medieval cathedrals exhibit the
effects of gravity on glass, which, if it was solid, wouldn't have
occurred.
>

Maybe so, but transparency is not a characteristic inhehrent to liquids.
I'm not speaking of liquids like milk, with suspendied particles- I'm
speaking of liquids like mecury (and other metals), which simply are not
transparent. Many petrolium liquids and other organics are not very
transparent, either.

Whatsmy point? Glass isn't transparent BECAUSE its liquid- it just
hapens to be another transparent liquid. Gems and quartz are
transparent SOLIDS...

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Message no. 10
From: Zixx <t_berghoff@*********.NETSURF.DE>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:18:36 +0000
On 2 Feb 98 at 11:32, Robert Watkins wrote:

> Zixx writes:
> >> Actually, I prefer the much more simple and elegant explanation:
> >> Glass is transparent on astral because it's not solid - it's a
> >> liquid.
> >
> >Well, from that POV, everything's a liquid...
>
>
> No... glass really is a liquid. Convection circulation and Brownian motion,
> the lot. It's just a VERY viscous liquid.
>
> As an example, stained-glass windows in medieval cathedrals exhibit the
> effects of gravity on glass, which, if it was solid, wouldn't have occurred.

Same with metal, just a whole lot slower. Gas/liquid and solid isn't that
different, really. IIRC only crystals don't show this behaviour, because
they are kept in shape by the way thier molecules are arranged.

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Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mirrors in Astral
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:31:02 +0000
And verily, did Zixx hastily scribble thusly...
|Same with metal, just a whole lot slower. Gas/liquid and solid isn't that
|different, really. IIRC only crystals don't show this behaviour, because
|they are kept in shape by the way thier molecules are arranged.

Not true. Sorry, but when metals solidify, they crystalise.
Liquids are not crystaline.

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