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From:	sprites in the machine sprite@***.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:49:25 -0500

Message no. 1 MAGIC IN THE SHADOWS ERRATA

Version 1.0
Date: 5/19/99

All changes will be reflected in the 2nd corrected printing of Magic in the
Shadows. To determine which printing you have, consult the notation on p. 5
in the second column after the credits. No indication means first printing.

Page 6: Introduction
In the last sentence before Developer's Say remove the phrase "spell
design templates" and replace it with "a spirit record sheet."

Page 98: Disruption
In the last sentence, replace p. XX with p. 92.

Page 108: Power of Allies
The page reference to Designing an Ally should be p. 110.

Page 109: Materialization
The page reference to Designing an Ally should be p. 110.

Page 114: Born Free
In the first column, second paragraph, last line, the page reference to
Free Spirits and Karma should be p. 116.

Page 127: Rare Toxics
Replace (Domain Phenomenon, p. XX) with (Spontaneous Appearances, p. 98).

Page 147: Fashion
The Drain Code to Fashion should be +1(L)

From sprite@***.com Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:50:27 -0500
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 23:50:27 -0500
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From:	Schizi@*.com Schizi@*.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:07:55 EDT

Message no. 2 > MAGIC IN THE SHADOWS ERRATA

All, in all, not too bad. A few page references, a slipped word and a drain
code.

Either that is really good, or we just mssed a few :-)

From DeckerL@******.com Wed, 09 Jun 1999 11:33:34 -0400
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 11:33:34 -0400
From: Lehla

From:	cmpetro@*******.com cmpetro@*******.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:15:28 -0500

Message no. 3 >> MAGIC IN THE SHADOWS ERRATA

>All, in all, not too bad. A few page references, a slipped word and a
drain
>code.

>Either that is really good, or we just mssed a few :-)

Where is this errata?

From DeckerL@******.com Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:32:18 -0400
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:32:18 -0400
From: Lehla

From:	Lehlan Decker DeckerL@******.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:32:18 -0400

Message no. 4 Somehow I missed the MITS errata email as well. Listserver must be
flaky. However it is up on the Deep Resonance Web Site, under Hlair's,
under errata, along with the others.

From TalonMail@***.com Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:38:30 EDT
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:38:30 EDT
From: TalonMail@**

From:	runnerpaul@***.com runnerpaul@***.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:14:07 -0400 (EDT)

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At 11:15 AM 6/9/99 -0500, cmpetro@*********.com wrote:
>>> MAGIC IN THE SHADOWS ERRATA
>Where is this errata?

I was wondering the same thing, so I checked the list archive. It
_was_ posted with the other errata today, but there must have been a
server hiccup somewhere along the line, because it apparently did not
get propagated to everyone. I only found it by checking the list
archive.

As per usual, the HTML part of the archive is broken. If you look at
the listing by thread, by subject, by author, or by date, you will not
find the post. However, if you grab the plaintext file for all the
postings this week:
http://jackpoint.org/pipermail/shadowrn/Week-of-Mon-19990607.txt
you can find the posting in there.

Or, if you like, Dvixen already has a copy of it up on the Herkimer's
Lair part of Deep Resonance:

http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair/showerr.php3?title=Magic+in+the+Shadows&;
errlist=sr3mits

Now if you're like me, you also didn't get the post of the SR3 core
rulebook errata, version 1.8, dated 19 May 1999. All and all, from
what I can tell, the errata posted were BBB3 v1.8, MitS v1.0, GM
Screen & Critters v1, SR3 Companion v1.0, and the SR3 Otaku Errata
previously listed in RA:S (The R2 errata were not posted, as far as I
can tell). These are all up on Herkimer's Lair, except for BBB3 v1.8.
However, the only difference between v1.8 and the one that is listed,
v1.5, seems to be the change made to the record sheet between the
third and fourth printings.

BTW, most of the new errata are dated 19 May 1999. Very admirable of
FASA to be working on that day, when there was a movie they could have
been waiting in line to see. (Though didn't someone post something
about running into a bunch of FASA employees while waiting in line for
a movie that particular date? Mabye they worked on the errata after
they went to the movies.)

One thing I'm wondering though, On Herkimer's Lair, there's a date and
a version number listed for the Otaku errata, but there wasn't either
of those in Rob Boyle's post. Does Dvixen know something we don't? ;)

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From arcady@***.net Wed, 9 Jun 99 10:14:13 +700
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 99 10:14:13 +700
From: arcady@***.net ar

From:	Schizi@*.com Schizi@*.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:53:28 EDT

Message no. 6 > (Though didn't someone post something
> about running into a bunch of FASA employees while waiting in line for
> a movie that particular date? Mabye they worked on the errata after
> they went to the movies.)
>
FASA as a group went to see SW:PM. It was also mentioned that they might go
again when the MW3 promo is running (I think they said June or July) I have
seent eh MW3 commercial on TV, so maybe it is there now. (So, you can see the
MW3 commercial just before SW :-)

From Schizi@***.com Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:58:27 EDT
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:58:27 EDT
From: Schizi@***.com

From:	Ereskanti@*.com Ereskanti@*.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:32:34 EDT

Message no. 7 >
>
> Somehow I missed the MITS errata email as well. Listserver must be
> flaky. However it is up on the Deep Resonance Web Site, under Hlair's,
> under errata, along with the others.

I also plan on posting the SR3 (1.8) errata, the MitS (1.0) and Otaku Errata
up on HHH very soon. the 1.8 is up now, MitS and Otaku are coming...under
"Rules" section.

-K

From HHackerH@***.com Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:55:09 EDT
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:55:09 EDT
From: HHackerH@***.c

From:	Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:14:34 -0700

Message no. 8 http://shadowrun.html.com/hlair/errindex.php3

All the erratas I have are at that link.

>Now if you're like me, you also didn't get the post of the SR3 core
>rulebook errata, version 1.8, dated 19 May 1999. All and all, from
>what I can tell, the errata posted were BBB3 v1.8, MitS v1.0, GM
>Screen & Critters v1, SR3 Companion v1.0, and the SR3 Otaku Errata
>previously listed in RA:S (The R2 errata were not posted, as far as I
>can tell). These are all up on Herkimer's Lair, except for BBB3 v1.8.

There were more than the three I received? *sigh*

>BTW, most of the new errata are dated 19 May 1999. Very admirable of
>FASA to be working on that day, when there was a movie they could have
>been waiting in line to see. (Though didn't someone post something
>about running into a bunch of FASA employees while waiting in line for
>a movie that particular date? Mabye they worked on the errata after
>they went to the movies.)

It's prolly more of a joke, than the actual date...

>One thing I'm wondering though, On Herkimer's Lair, there's a date and
>a version number listed for the Otaku errata, but there wasn't either
>of those in Rob Boyle's post. Does Dvixen know something we don't? ;)

Nah, I just wanted consistency with my mirror, and I assigned it the same
date that the others have. ;)

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From dvixen@****.com Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:41:27 -0700
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:41:27 -0700
From: Dvixen dv

From:	dghost@**.com dghost@**.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:30:12 -0500

Message no. 9 >There were more than the three I received? *sigh*
<SNIP>

I only go the MitS Errata, and the Otaku Errata ... :( If the rest
doesn't show up soon, I'll pop over to your site and see what you have
that I don't :)

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From cullyn@*****.com.au Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:44:04 +0000 (GMT)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:44:04 +0000 (GMT)

From:	Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:58:00 -0700

Message no. 10 Actually, I went looking, and found more. :)

They are all mirrored on Herkimer's Lair. :)
(And they print nice. :)
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From docwagon101@*****.com Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT)

From:	Ereskanti@*.com Ereskanti@*.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:32:23 EDT

Message no. 11 > )
>
> Actually, I went looking, and found more. :)
>
> They are all mirrored on Herkimer's Lair. :)
> (And they print nice. :)
> --
>
WOW,...some of those I wish I had had in my possession a LONG time
ago...Smartlink II is MUCH more than I knew previously...

Some of those will be going up on HHH soon as well...

-K

From horbach@*****.uni-mannheim.de Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:18:01 +0200
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:18:01 +0200
From

From:	Schizi@*.com Schizi@*.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:42:00 EDT

Message no. 12 > I only go the MitS Errata, and the Otaku Errata ... :( If the rest
> doesn't show up soon, I'll pop over to your site and see what you have
> that I don't :)
>

I got the SR3, MitS, and Otaku. Someone else mentioned a GM Screen erratta?
of course, I don't have a Gm screen so it don't matter :-)

From iscottw@*****.nb.ca Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:07:31 -0300
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:07:31 -0300
From: Scott Whe

From:	Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject:	MITS Errata
Date:	Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:11:20 -0700

Message no. 13 >I got the SR3, MitS, and Otaku. Someone else mentioned a GM Screen erratta?
>of course, I don't have a Gm screen so it don't matter :-)

There is GM Screen and SR3 Companion erratas also. Both have been added to
the Errata section of Herkimer's Lair.

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From docwagon101@*****.com Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
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From:	TalonMail@*.com TalonMail@*.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:05:21 EDT

Message no. 14 In a message dated 4/4/00 2:33:13 PM, SHODAN+@***.EDU writes:
>My friend just posted his Adept character concept for a high-level
>campaign, and was taking Centering for entire skill areas. For example,
>he took Centering vs. Melee Combat at grade 2, Centering vs. Ranged
>Combat at grade 3, rather than Centering vs. specific skills. (Edged
>Weapons and Pistols would be appropriate replacements for the above
>example)

Your friend is correct. At least, that's what I had in mind when I wrote
MitS. Adepts get access to broad areas of skills for Centering, although you
can require them to buy centering for specific skills, if you want. Since
magicians get Centering for all their magical skills, it seemed only fair. My
apologies if the text was unclear.

>Oh, and while we're at it: Is there no way for an adept to gain
>access to Centering vs. Diving?

I'd give that one to an adept who has Centering for free, personally, as part
of the deal with Athletics and Stealth, since it's basically an
Athletics-type skill. By the letter of the book, treat it as a "special
skill" like Music or something similar and buy Centering for it seperately.
Your milage may, of course, vary.

Steve Kenson

Talon Studio
http://members.aol.com/talonmail

From:	Manolis Skoulikas greatworm@*****.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:55:02 +0300

Message no. 15 TalonMail@***.com wrote:
>
Since
> magicians get Centering for all their magical skills, it seemed only fair.

An interesting question would be:
What exactly are the magical skills that magicians use centering on?
(apart from sorcery and conjuring)

Enchanting?

Talismongering?

Divining?

Spell Design?

Can centering be used for more than one skill at a time in
'combined' rolls?
I.E. If enchanting is applicable, then protracted enchanting rolls
(lasting a moth or more in game time) may benefit from centering.
If talismongering is combined with enchanting as a background
skill for extra successes, would the talismongering roll get
benefits from an second centering test, or would it be considered
not to benefit at all from centering since you could only use
centering once in any 'chain' of skill pool?

Allthough it sounds ludicrous, could a mage use centering on Sorcery
when using it as a combat skill in the astral plane?

The Wiz

From:	HHackerH@*.com HHackerH@*.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:01:56 EDT

Message no. 16 In a message dated Wed, 5 Apr 2000 5:55:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Manolis Skoulikas
<greatworm@*****.com> writes:

> An interesting question would be:
> What exactly are the magical skills that magicians use centering on?
> (apart from sorcery and conjuring)
>
> Enchanting?

Yes.

> Talismongering?

Hmmm ... it's not longer a Magical Skill, so this is not likely.

> Divining?

A wondering thought. Especially since in other locations it mentions that Centering can
be used with regards to some other metamagical skill tests and astral quests.

>
> Spell Design?

Again, as the immediate skill introduced in MitS. .. no, you can't perform Centering here.

> Can centering be used for more than one skill at a time in
> 'combined' rolls?
> I.E. If enchanting is applicable, then protracted enchanting rolls
> (lasting a moth or more in game time) may benefit from centering.

Yes, it would.

> If talismongering is combined with enchanting as a background
> skill for extra successes, would the talismongering roll get
> benefits from an second centering test, or would it be considered
> not to benefit at all from centering since you could only use
> centering once in any 'chain' of skill pool?

See above considerations now that "Talismongering" is no longer an Active
Magical Skill.

> Allthough it sounds ludicrous, could a mage use centering on Sorcery
> when using it as a combat skill in the astral plane?

Absolutely nothing ludicrous at all.
-K

From:	TalonMail@*.com TalonMail@*.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:11:38 EDT

Message no. 17 In a message dated 4/5/00 5:52:52 PM, greatworm@*****.com writes:
>An interesting question would be:
>What exactly are the magical skills that magicians use centering on?

FWIW, I allow magicians to use centering for Sorcery, Conjuring, Enchanting
and Divining. I'd do allow Centering for "mundane" skills like Talismongering
and Spell Design (i.e., skills mundanes can perform), nor do I allow it for
any skill use while astral projecting.

Hope that helps,
Steve

Talon Studio
http://members.aol.com/talonmail

From:	Manolis Skoulikas greatworm@*****.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:39:39 +0300

Message no. 18 TalonMail@***.com wrote:
>
I'd do allow Centering for "mundane" skills like Talismongering
> and Spell Design (i.e., skills mundanes can perform), nor do I allow it for
> any skill use while astral projecting.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Steve
>

It certainly does! Thanks again.

But just so I get it straight:
Talismongering and spell design can NOT get the benefit of centering
because they are skills that are not MAGICAL per se (allthough falling
in the general category of 'awakened skills').
Right?

Also, I am wondering why centering cannot be used while astrally
projecting?
Just curious.

the Wiz

From:	Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:15:55 -0700

Message no. 19 On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:39:39 +0300 Manolis Skoulikas
<greatworm@*****.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> Also, I am wondering why centering cannot be used while astrally
> projecting?
> Just curious.

Well, one argument is that the knowledge skill used for centering does
not translate into astral space. (Ever seen an astral form doing the
hokey pokey?)

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From:	Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:05:21 -0500

Message no. 20 :Also, I am wondering why centering cannot be used while astrally
:projecting?
:Just curious.
:
:the Wiz

I'm guessing that clasical centering techniques (like meditation, tonal
chanting, and dance) have a physiological effect (a documented fact) that
subtlely enhances the potential flow of magic in an intiates body (pure
speculation). Somebody trained in the Centering metamgic ability can use
this effect enhance thier magical skill use.
If your body isn't performing the centering activity, there's no such
physiological effect. Thus, you can't benefit from centering while astrally
projecting.

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From:	GuayII@*.com GuayII@*.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:05:17 EDT

Message no. 21 In a message dated Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:00:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Alfredo B Alves
<dghost@****.com> writes:

> Well, one argument is that the knowledge skill used for centering does
> not translate into astral space. (Ever seen an astral form doing the
> hokey pokey?)

Ever seen an astral form, period?

Cash

From:	Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:12:53 -0400

Message no. 22 On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:05:17 EDT GuayII@***.com writes:
> In a message dated Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:00:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com> writes:
>
> Ever seen an astral form, period?
>
Yes. Scared the hell out of me at the time, too.

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From:	TalonMail@*.com TalonMail@*.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:11:46 EDT

Message no. 23 In a message dated 4/6/00 8:38:28 PM, greatworm@*****.com writes:
>Talismongering and spell design can NOT get the benefit of centering
>because they are skills that are not MAGICAL per se (allthough falling
>in the general category of 'awakened skills').
>Right?

Correct.

>Also, I am wondering why centering cannot be used while astrally
>projecting?

IMHO, centering requires the balance of body and spirit available only to an
embodied astral form. At least part of the centering process is having your
body to actually physically perform certain actions. Now that I think of it,
I might make "Astral Centering" (the ability to center while astrally
projecting) a new metamagical technique for my SR games, since really skilled
magicians are reputedly able to centering solely through visualization.

Hope that helps,
Steve Kenson

Talon Studio
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From:	HHackerH@*.com HHackerH@*.com
Subject:	MITS errata?
Date:	Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:44:34 EDT

Message no. 24 In a message dated 4/10/00 9:12:36 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
TalonMail@***.com writes:

>
> IMHO, centering requires the balance of body and spirit available only to
an
> embodied astral form. At least part of the centering process is having
your
> body to actually physically perform certain actions. Now that I think of
it,
> I might make "Astral Centering" (the ability to center while astrally
> projecting) a new metamagical technique for my SR games, since really
> skilled
> magicians are reputedly able to centering solely through visualization.

IMO Steve, this idea might be very granted, especially given the fact that SR
Magicians rely so very little upon "physical gesticulation" in order to work
their own variation on "Magic". Though I can understand the need to have a
game balance requiring a "physical component", by the same turn I feel that
the SR Magic System does not *have* to have these same components in order to
work.

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