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Message no. 1
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:51:37 -0400 (EDT)
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"To the first party to develop a magic item that can be used by a
mundane, I leave the medium-sized chunk of orichalcum I keep in my
sock drawer at Lake Louise."

p. 32 Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets.


"The technique of anchoring is used to create and use anchoring foci.
Only an initiate who knows this technique can create an anchoring
focus or link a spell to it, though any character (even a mundane) can
use an already prepared anchor if they know how to trigger it."

p.70 Magic in the Shadows


I take it then, that Mr. Kenson is now the recipient of that
particular item from the Dragon's Will?

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Message no. 2
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:06:55 -0400
runnerpaul@*****.com wrote:

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> "To the first party to develop a magic item that can be used by a
> mundane, I leave the medium-sized chunk of orichalcum I keep in my
> sock drawer at Lake Louise."
>
> p. 32 Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets.
>
> "The technique of anchoring is used to create and use anchoring foci.
> Only an initiate who knows this technique can create an anchoring
> focus or link a spell to it, though any character (even a mundane) can
> use an already prepared anchor if they know how to trigger it."
>
> p.70 Magic in the Shadows
>
> I take it then, that Mr. Kenson is now the recipient of that
> particular item from the Dragon's Will?
>
>

Most definitely. Mr. Kenson, I commend you on your cleverness. Needless to
say, mages all across the globe are now torn between blessing and cursing
your name. ;)

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Message no. 3
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:11:07 EDT
In a message dated 5/13/1999 8:52:28 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
runnerpaul@*****.com writes:

> "To the first party to develop a magic item that can be used by a
> mundane, I leave the medium-sized chunk of orichalcum I keep in my
> sock drawer at Lake Louise."
>
> p. 32 Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets.
>
>
> "The technique of anchoring is used to create and use anchoring foci.
> Only an initiate who knows this technique can create an anchoring
> focus or link a spell to it, though any character (even a mundane) can
> use an already prepared anchor if they know how to trigger it."
>
> p.70 Magic in the Shadows
>
>
> I take it then, that Mr. Kenson is now the recipient of that
> particular item from the Dragon's Will?

Just to quote the whole thing. The problem with this is that in MitS, an
Anchoring FOCI is required, and that foci can only be bonded to a
particularly *magical* person. Sure, the mundane can use it, but they are
not able to use it in complete INDEPENDENCE.

-K
Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:31:10 +1000
Paul Gettle writes:
> "The technique of anchoring is used to create and use anchoring foci.
> Only an initiate who knows this technique can create an anchoring
> focus or link a spell to it, though any character (even a mundane) can
> use an already prepared anchor if they know how to trigger it."
>
> p.70 Magic in the Shadows
>
>
> I take it then, that Mr. Kenson is now the recipient of that
> particular item from the Dragon's Will?

Nope. That particular quote was in the Grimoire as well.

Dunkie's will more properly refers to the first person who can design a
magical item that can be bonded to a mundane. In the case of an anchoring,
all the mundane can do is trigger it: basically a magical version of pushing
buttons.

Here's an analogy that might help: Imagine a car with an autopilot, with a
bunch of preprogrammed travel routes. Now, a person with no driving skill
can still push the buttons and send the car moving, but they're not driving.

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Message no. 5
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:21:24 -0500
On Thu, 13 May 1999 21:51:37 -0400 (EDT) runnerpaul@*****.com writes:
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>"To the first party to develop a magic item that can be used by a
>mundane, I leave the medium-sized chunk of orichalcum I keep in my
>sock drawer at Lake Louise."
>
>p. 32 Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets.
<SNIP>

1) Why would a Dragon have socks?
2) How big is "medium-sized" to a dragon? (or is that a standaard of
measurement? "I'll take a lump of orichalcum the size of Frankie, the
spirit medium..." :)

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Message no. 6
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:24:00 +1000
D. Ghost writes:
> 1) Why would a Dragon have socks?

He took human forms quite frequently, you know. Or maybe he had an
over-sized pair of Nikes he used when he went jogging around the lake, and
he didn't want to stink them up.

> 2) How big is "medium-sized" to a dragon? (or is that a standaard of
> measurement? "I'll take a lump of orichalcum the size of Frankie, the
> spirit medium..." :)

Oh, about this big. *Holds hands apart*

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Message no. 7
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 02:29:36 -0500
:"To the first party to develop a magic item that can be used by a
:mundane
:p. 32 Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets.
:
:"The technique of anchoring
:p.70 Magic in the Shadows
:
::I take it then, that Mr. Kenson is now the recipient of that
:particular item from the Dragon's Will?


Hardly. The functional parameters are all set by the mage, and the
magic power comes entirely from the mage. The mage even takes drain when
the spell is activated! An anchoring focus is just a way for a mage to
occasionally let a mundane guide the effect of spells the mage casts and
anchors.
Besides, anchoring appears in "the Grimore"; its form is different, but
the one result is that a mundane can activate the anchor. The Grimore came
out long before POAD, and so its clear anchoring is not suitable to claim
the prize.
I think what IS meant is a magic item that basically does not involve a
mage in any way. It would be best if mundanes could make them, but I could
see one that did not require the enchanter to spend karma or any use of
magical ability except enchanting to create and use meeting the criteria.
The most obvious answer from ED is that Dunky wanted somebody to develop
a Blood Charm. K's idea of an item a mundane can bond would also fit the
bill. Although tattoo magic come awfully close to that, its still a spell
created by a magic user, not a magic effect created by a mundane using an
item.

Mongoose
Message no. 8
From: TalonMail@***.com TalonMail@***.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:49:51 EDT
runnerpaul@*****.com wrote
>"To the first party to develop a magic item that can be used by a
>mundane, I leave the medium-sized chunk of orichalcum I keep in my
>sock drawer at Lake Louise."
>p. 32 Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets.
>
>"The technique of anchoring is used to create and use anchoring foci.
>Only an initiate who knows this technique can create an anchoring
>focus or link a spell to it, though any character (even a mundane) can
>use an already prepared anchor if they know how to trigger it."
>p.70 Magic in the Shadows
>
>I take it then, that Mr. Kenson is now the recipient of that
>particular item from the Dragon's Will?

Yep. I've got the chunk of orichalcum on my desk right now. It makes a great
paperweight. : )

S.
Message no. 9
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:38:17 -0400 (EDT)
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At 10:21 PM 5/13/1999 -0500, dghost@****.com wrote:
>>"To the first party to develop a magic item that can be used by a
>>mundane, I leave the medium-sized chunk of orichalcum I keep in my
>>sock drawer at Lake Louise."
>>
>>p. 32 Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets.

>1) Why would a Dragon have socks?

Why wouldn't a dragon have socks? (You are aware that many Great
Dragons have the ability to assume human form, right?)

>2) How big is "medium-sized" to a dragon? (or is that a standaard of
>measurement? "I'll take a lump of orichalcum the size of Frankie,
>the
>spirit medium..." :)

I always interpreted that part of the will to mean there must be three
lumps of orichalcum, of different size in Dunky's sock drawer. (Wonder
who gets the large-sized lump and the small-sized lump...)

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Message no. 10
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:17:09 -0400 (EDT)
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At 02:29 AM 5/14/1999 -0500, Mongoose wrote:
> Besides, anchoring appears in "the Grimore"; its form is
>different, but
>the one result is that a mundane can activate the anchor. The
>Grimore came
>out long before POAD, and so its clear anchoring is not suitable to
>claim
>the prize.

What threw me off were the differences in terminology and mechanics.
In the Grimoire, anchoring seemed to be less about the object the
anchor was put on (after all, you could even anchor a spell to a
specific place instead of an object) and more about the spell itself.
The new rules seemed to give more importance to the object itself.
Partly because the new option for expendable anchoring foci allow new
tricks like magic potions, and partly because some rules were moved
from the "Preparing the Anchor" section of Anchoring to the
"Enchanting" section.

> I think what IS meant is a magic item that basically does not
>involve a
>mage in any way. It would be best if mundanes could make them, but I

>could
>see one that did not require the enchanter to spend karma or any use
>of
>magical ability except enchanting to create and use meeting the
>criteria.

I can see a mundane using a magical item created by an awakened, but I
can't see a mundane creating a magical item themselves. The very thing
that defines a mundane as a mundane is the inability to generate
magical effects, once they do, they're no longer mundane, right?

I think K's got it pegged, a magical item that once created by an
awakened being, is no longer dependent upon any awakened being for
it's use.

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Message no. 11
From: Marizhavashti Kali xenya@********.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:13:36 -0700
dghost@****.com wrote:
>
> 1) Why would a Dragon have socks?

Good question. He does, however, have a sock drawer. Probably for those
times he was in human form.

> 2) How big is "medium-sized" to a dragon? (or is that a standaard of
> measurement? "I'll take a lump of orichalcum the size of Frankie, the
> spirit medium..." :)

Big.

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Message no. 12
From: Marizhavashti Kali xenya@********.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:22:19 -0700
runnerpaul@*****.com wrote:
>
> I think K's got it pegged, a magical item that once created by an
> awakened being, is no longer dependent upon any awakened being for
> it's use.

Hey Paul,

1) The creator takes drain whenever the anchor is activated

2) The anchor loses its power when the creator dies.

Seems a bit dependent to me.

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Message no. 13
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:17:16 -0400 (EDT)
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At 02:22 PM 5/14/1999 -0700, Marizhavashti Kali wrote:
>> I think K's got it pegged, a magical item that once created by an
>> awakened being, is no longer dependent upon any awakened being for
>> it's use.
>
>Hey Paul,
>
>1) The creator takes drain whenever the anchor is activated
>
>2) The anchor loses its power when the creator dies.
>
>Seems a bit dependent to me.

Which is why, despite Kenson's own response to this thread, I'm
_agreeing_ to K's logic and agreeing to the concept that Anchorings do
not satisfy the requirements of Dunky's Will. :)

(The other reason I'm thinking Kenson's response to this thread is
bogus: would you want something that reeks of dragon socks as a desk
paperweight?!)

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Message no. 14
From: Marizhavashti Kali xenya@********.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 03:50:25 -0700
runnerpaul@*****.com wrote:
>
> Which is why, despite Kenson's own response to this thread, I'm
> _agreeing_ to K's logic and agreeing to the concept that Anchorings do
> not satisfy the requirements of Dunky's Will. :)

Fair enough.

> (The other reason I'm thinking Kenson's response to this thread is
> bogus: would you want something that reeks of dragon socks as a desk
> paperweight?!)

No. No no no.

Orichalcum probably smells bad to begin with. :-)


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Message no. 15
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [MitS] Steve K. gets to rummage through Dunky's Sock Drawer?
Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:01:00 EDT
In a message dated 5/16/1999 12:03:20 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
iscottw@*****.nb.ca writes:

> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to whoever first posted this."
> ] 1) Why would a Dragon have socks?
>
> The question, of course, is not "Why would a dragon have socks," but,
> "How much would said socks fetch at an auction?" I'd think, given our
> culture's present obsession with A) stars, B) dead people, and C) dead
> stars, that they would fetch a pretty penny.
> "Thanks, ma'am, but the orichalcum's not really what I had in mind..."
>
> -Murder of One

OMG!!! This is GREAT!!! I Love it!

-K

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