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Message no. 1
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Mixed loads
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:42:41 -0400
Has anyone ever fiddled with mixing ammo types in a magazine (ie:
conventional AP or APDS, explosive or EX explo, and tracers)?
I do this IRL, and most folks do, but I have yet to figure out a good way
of handling it with SR's burst and full-auto rules.


Kevin Dole, aka CyberRaven, aka IronRaven, aka Steel Tengu
http://members.xoom.com/iron_raven/
"Once again, we have spat in the face of Death and his second cousin,
Dismemberment."
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
your philosophy."
Message no. 2
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Mixed loads
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:09:28 +0200
According to IronRaven, at 13:42 on 19 Aug 99, the word on
the street was...

> Has anyone ever fiddled with mixing ammo types in a magazine (ie:
> conventional AP or APDS, explosive or EX explo, and tracers)?
> I do this IRL, and most folks do, but I have yet to figure out a good way
> of handling it with SR's burst and full-auto rules.

The best way I've figured out to do this is to multiply the modifiers to
the Damage Code by the percentage of a given round in the burst. For
example, if you fire a 4-round burst from an assault rifle (8M) with two
rounds EX Explosive (+2 Power), one round Gel, and one round APDS, you'd
end up with a Damage Code of 9M:

mod. perc. result
EX: +2 Power x50% = +1 Power Level
Gel: Stun x25% = no Stun
APDS: x0.5 armor x25% = x0.875 armor

The trouble is that this takes a long time to figure out if many different
types of ammo are involved, so you may simply want to use the Damage Code
of the most prevalent round in the burst -- in the above example, that
would be the +2 Power from the EX explosive rounds.

In single-shot and semi-auto weapons, this isn't really a problem, though.

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Message no. 3
From: Manx timburke@*******.com.au
Subject: Mixed loads
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:00:28 +1000
>> Has anyone ever fiddled with mixing ammo types in a magazine (ie:
>> conventional AP or APDS, explosive or EX explo, and tracers)?
>> I do this IRL, and most folks do, but I have yet to figure out a good way
>> of handling it with SR's burst and full-auto rules.

I suppose it would be really anal of me
to direct you to p.116 of SR3 where it
says that you can't mix loads in a clip.
Thankfully I'm not anal so I won't do that.

:)

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"Well it's a dirty job but someone's got to do it."
Faith No More - 'We Care a Lot'
________________________________________
Message no. 4
From: Bruce gyro@********.co.za
Subject: Mixed loads
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:56:27 +0200
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 20 August 1999 01:09
Subject: Re: Mixed loads


According to IronRaven, at 13:42 on 19 Aug 99, the word on
the street was...

> Has anyone ever fiddled with mixing ammo types in a magazine (ie:
> conventional AP or APDS, explosive or EX explo, and tracers)?
> I do this IRL, and most folks do, but I have yet to figure out a
good way
> of handling it with SR's burst and full-auto rules.

>The best way I've figured out to do this is to multiply the modifiers
to
>the Damage Code by the percentage of a given round in the burst. For
>example, if you fire a 4-round burst from an assault rifle (8M) with
two
>rounds EX Explosive (+2 Power), one round Gel, and one round APDS,
you'd
>end up with a Damage Code of 9M

<snip example>

>The trouble is that this takes a long time to figure out if many
different
>types of ammo are involved, so you may simply want to use the Damage
Code
>of the most prevalent round in the burst -- in the above example,
that
>would be the +2 Power from the EX explosive rounds.

I geuss its easier the more structured the clip is.
Alternating tracer/APDS loads would be pretty easy to work with for
example.
Another option is to load "packets" of three rounds for use with BF
weapons.

Example EX Explosive/APDS/Regular would become IMHO +1 Power -1
Ballsitic Armour.

Just a thought
- + - BRUCE <gyro@********.co.za> -

MiX it UP!
Message no. 5
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Mixed loads
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:48:04 +0200
According to Manx, at 22:00 on 20 Aug 99, the word on
the street was...

> I suppose it would be really anal of me
> to direct you to p.116 of SR3 where it
> says that you can't mix loads in a clip.
> Thankfully I'm not anal so I won't do that.

Thankfully you're not, no :)

This rule obviously exists to avoid rules complications, as it should be
apparent to anyone with a Firearms skill of 0 or higher (yeah, I played
SR1 and SRII, sue me :) that you can mix ammo types in a gun IRL. It might
not work 100% well, possibly causing feed problems etc., but it _can_ be
done regardless of what the rules say.

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Mixed loads
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:48:04 +0200
According to Bruce, at 13:56 on 20 Aug 99, the word on
the street was...

> I geuss its easier the more structured the clip is. Alternating
> tracer/APDS loads would be pretty easy to work with for example. Another
> option is to load "packets" of three rounds for use with BF weapons.

Yes, but that's not the same as mixing ammo the way IronRaven asked about.
What you mean is alternating ammo in such a way as to fit in well with the
game mechanics. I'll grant you that that is probably the best way of doing
it, though, as it won't cause all kinds of complications. The down side is
that you are effectively stuck firing X-round bursts all the time.

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Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
De plaag is terug...!
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 7
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Mixed loads
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:32:25 -0400
At 22.00 08-20-99 +1000, you wrote:
>says that you can't mix loads in a clip.

I would ignore that ruling except for the for the question of game
mechanics, mainly becuase I type this about ten feet from a locker that
contains a number of a magazines that are mixed, even if all it is is a
tracer as the next-to-last round. (So long as you are shooting semi, you
see the tracer, drop you stick, get a new one in fast, and you've still got
a live round in your chamber.)


Kevin Dole, aka CyberRaven, aka IronRaven, aka Steel Tengu
http://members.xoom.com/iron_raven/
"Once again, we have spat in the face of Death and his second cousin,
Dismemberment."
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
your philosophy."

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