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Message no. 1
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Money! (Was: Re: Sensors And Detection)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:24:58 +1100
Adam Getchell wrote:

> skip on over to the Rigger Black Book and check out the price for
> military grade sensors. Then add ECCM to counter all the spoofing
> techniques on the birds. Now how many people can afford this gear?
> (Answer: only those with 5 million + to spend.) To a corp that
> kind of money is child's play, but not to your average downtrodden,
> disenfranchised shadowrunner.

I suspect my following problem is because I don't understand the
sentence:
Then add ECCM to counter all the spoofing techniques on the birds.
(Electronic xxx Counter Measures? Spoofing?)

But it sounds like the runners should be ripping off the 5 mill worth
of equipment and just selling that for a quick profit!

luke
Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Money! (Was: Re: Sensors And Detection)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:27:07 +0930
Luke Kendall wrote:
>
> Adam Getchell wrote:
>
> > skip on over to the Rigger Black Book and check out the price for
> > military grade sensors. Then add ECCM to counter all the spoofing
> > techniques on the birds. Now how many people can afford this gear?
> > (Answer: only those with 5 million + to spend.) To a corp that
> > kind of money is child's play, but not to your average downtrodden,
> > disenfranchised shadowrunner.
>
> I suspect my following problem is because I don't understand the
> sentence:
> Then add ECCM to counter all the spoofing techniques on the birds.
> (Electronic xxx Counter Measures? Spoofing?)
>

Electronic Counter-Counter-Measures. Spoofing = ECM.

> But it sounds like the runners should be ripping off the 5 mill worth
> of equipment and just selling that for a quick profit!
>

If they can get it out, in one piece, in a couple of minutes.

I don't make it impossible to do this kind of stuff, but you don't play
around with electronics on aeroplanes in a few minutes, especially if you
want to fly the thing afterwards. And, in the original scenario that
started all this off, a few minutes was all the players had available to
them.


--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
Finger me for my geek code
Message no. 3
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Money! (Was: Re: Sensors And Detection)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 16:03:38 -0800
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Luke Kendall wrote:

> I suspect my following problem is because I don't understand the
> sentence:
> Then add ECCM to counter all the spoofing techniques on the birds.
> (Electronic xxx Counter Measures? Spoofing?)

What I meant was that if one wanted to spot satellites, one
should probably purchase sensors with which to spot them. Then, because
the satellites ("birds") will have ECM to prevent exactly this (ie
"spoofing"), one would need a decent amount of ECCM to allow the sensors
to function through the ECM blanket.
Sorry for my lack of clarity.

> But it sounds like the runners should be ripping off the 5 mill worth
> of equipment and just selling that for a quick profit!

I think that's what most people would do in lieu of trying to use
the gear, yes.

> luke

========================================================================
Adam Getchell "Invincibility is in oneself,
acgetche@****.engr.ucdavis.edu vulnerability in the opponent."
http://instruction.ucdavis.edu/html/Adam/getchell.html
Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Money! (Was: Re: Sensors And Detection)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:35:49 +0930
Adam Getchell wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Luke Kendall wrote:
>
> > I suspect my following problem is because I don't understand the
> > sentence:
> > Then add ECCM to counter all the spoofing techniques on the birds.
> > (Electronic xxx Counter Measures? Spoofing?)
>
> What I meant was that if one wanted to spot satellites, one
> should probably purchase sensors with which to spot them. Then, because
> the satellites ("birds") will have ECM to prevent exactly this (ie
> "spoofing"), one would need a decent amount of ECCM to allow the sensors
> to function through the ECM blanket.
> Sorry for my lack of clarity.
>
Most satellites can be found by taking photos of the sky, using image
comparison software to point out the differences, and extrapolating the
orbit.

Of course, this would probably be out of most runner's leagues (though a
simple astronomy program could probably do it for them)>

> > But it sounds like the runners should be ripping off the 5 mill worth
> > of equipment and just selling that for a quick profit!
>
> I think that's what most people would do in lieu of trying to use
> the gear, yes.

It's a time factor... can you do it in a few minutes?

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers
are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night.
Finger me for my geek code
Message no. 5
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Money! (Was: Re: Sensors And Detection)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:24:48 -0800
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Robert Watkins wrote:

> Most satellites can be found by taking photos of the sky, using image
> comparison software to point out the differences, and extrapolating the
> orbit.

For today's satellites with high albedo, yes I agree. If,
however, you have a grapefruit sized non-reflective satellite, it becomes
a bit harder, especially as that size is hitting resolution limits
through atmosphere.

> It's a time factor... can you do it in a few minutes?

It might be hard for them to do it within a few months, short of
making a run on a spy facility.

> Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au

========================================================================
Adam Getchell "Invincibility is in oneself,
acgetche@****.engr.ucdavis.edu vulnerability in the opponent."
http://instruction.ucdavis.edu/html/Adam/getchell.html

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