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From: BARNHART@****
Subject: More on astral space
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 92 10:11:00 CDT
From: EDU%"RAPICKERING@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU" 4-MAR-1992 06:55
To: BARNHART%KNOX.BITNET@*****.UIC.EDU
Subj: Re: Astral Space

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Subject: Re: Astral Space
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You write:
=> 5035; Sun, 01 Mar 92 13:41:07 CST
=> Date: Sunday, March 1, 1992
=> From: BARNHART%KNOX.BITNET@*****.UIC.EDU
=> Subject: RE: Astral Space
=> To: ShadowRun List
=> Message-id: <01GH741LHNK096VOQT@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
=>
=> From: edu%"s85963@**.gettysburg.edu" 29-FEB-1992 22:08
=> To: BARNHART%KNOX.BITNET@*****.UIC.EDU
=> Subj: Re: Astral Space
=>
=> As far as having a mage in astral trash a party of Samurai. I got
=> one question for you. Are you using the Grimoire. If you are, refer to
=> page 62, column 2, Other Beings. The first paragraph states "Other living
=> things, that is, physical creatures who are not astrally active, are
=> visible and tangible on the etheric plane, but immune to Astral Combat.
=> They are obstacles, not Opponents" This is a direct quote compromising the
=> entire first paragraph.

Careful chummer. This means that you may not engage them in Astral Combat.
It does NOT mean that you can't toss spells at them.

The Grimoire states that if a mage is astrally perceiving he can attack ANY
target on either the etheric or mundane plane. However, if projected he may
only engage in Astral Combat. So, if projected this holds true.

=> If you do not use the Grimoire then refer to SR page 90, column 2,
=> Astral Combat, paragraph one. Here it says much the same thing. To quote
=> again. "Things that do not have an active astral presence cannot fight or
=> be hurt in any way in Astral Space."

Again, only if the mage or creature is projecting, not perceiving

=> Therefore there is no way for a astral mage to hurt non astrally
=> active characters, if you are playing according to the rules. If you're
=> not then you need to make up a few rules and guidlines to take care of
=> questions like this.

Incorrect, if the mage is Astrally perceived he may attack with both physical
and mana spells.

=>
=> Hope this helps you out.
=>
=> Brian D. Neumann

-Onyx

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