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Message no. 1
From: Sam Thomas <sinbad@***.NET>
Subject: More R2 Questions/Erratta
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:17:43 -0600
I have been unable to find the table for the design points and costs for
regular turrets. ie CF, design points, load reduction. I have had to divide
the Pop Ups to get the CF consumed.

Also if you have a mini remote, popup, anti-aircraft turret how do you
figure the costs, design points, etc.

A Remote mini 125 DP's, 25kg load reduction, and 6 CF
A PopUp mini 175 DP's, 25kg load reduction, and 3 CF
A Anti-Aircraft mine is DP X 1.5 +1 CF

So is the total (125+175)*1.5E0 DP's
25+25= 50 Kg load reduction
6+3+1= 10 CF Consumed

Also which type of hardpoints would it use ie internal or external hardpoint?
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(c)1997 Sam Thomas |Email:sinbad@***.net|
Sinbad Sam, Owner and Operator of Sinbad Sam's Saloon
Chief Weapons Designer For Reddkneck Arms and Munitions
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Message no. 2
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: More R2 Questions/Erratta
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:48:28 -0500
In a message dated 97-11-13 19:24:41 EST, sinbad@***.NET writes:

> A Remote mini 125 DP's, 25kg load reduction, and 6 CF
> A PopUp mini 175 DP's, 25kg load reduction, and 3 CF
> A Anti-Aircraft mine is DP X 1.5 +1 CF

Ooo, I don't remember this well enough to guess. According to the book...

Mini-Remote- 175 DP, CF=3, Load Reduction% KG ooo, wait, I get it...

You want a Remote Mini Pop-Up Turret!!!!

Okay, wait a second, the difference between the two turret types is 50DP, so
add that to the requirements. Figure out the difference between the two
types of turrets and add that difference for each stat to the large turret
requirements. But that is just my opinion.

> So is the total (125+175)*1.5E0 DP's
> 25+25= 50 Kg load reduction
> 6+3+1= 10 CF Consumed
>
> Also which type of hardpoints would it use ie internal or external
hardpoint?

For Turrets, IIRC, Internal Hardpoints are utilized, as they require mounting
to the actual hard frame of the vehicle. External Hardpoints are for things
like Fixed Mounts or Missile/Rocket Mountings.

-K
Message no. 3
From: Sam Thomas <sinbad@***.NET>
Subject: Re: More R2 Questions/Erratta
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:55:10 -0600
At 10:48 PM 11/13/97 -0500, "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM> wrote:
>In a message dated 97-11-13 19:24:41 EST, sinbad@***.NET writes:
>> A Remote mini 125 DP's, 25kg load reduction, and 6 CF
>>  A PopUp mini 175 DP's, 25kg load reduction, and 3 CF
>>  A Anti-Aircraft mine is DP X 1.5 +1 CF
>
>Ooo, I don't remember this well enough to guess.  According to the=
book...
>
>Mini-Remote- 175 DP, CF=3, Load Reduction=25 KG  ooo, wait, I get=
it...
>
>You want a Remote Mini Pop-Up Turret!!!!

Yes almost correct, I want a Remote Pop-Up Mini Turret with AA=
capablities.;-)

>Okay, wait a second, the difference between the two turret types is 50DP,=
so
>add that to the requirements.  Figure out the difference between the two
>types of turrets and add that difference for each stat to the large turret
>requirements.  But that is just my opinion.

Ok in the absence of other input(s) sounds like a doable solution. But what
is Mini Turret's basic DP, CF and load reduction cost? ie the non remote or
pop up version of the mini turret.

>>  So is the total (125+175)*1.5=450 DP's
>>                       =
25+25= 50 Kg load reduction
>>                       =
6+3+1= 10 CF Consumed
>>
>>  Also which type of hardpoints would it use ie internal or external
>>hardpoint?
>
>For Turrets, IIRC, Internal Hardpoints are utilized, as they require=
mounting
>to the actual hard frame of the vehicle.  External Hardpoints are for=
things
>like Fixed Mounts or Missile/Rocket Mountings.

Ok that is what I was also thinking about the external and internal
hardpoints.

>-K
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(c)1997 Sam Thomas |Email:sinbad@***.net|
Sinbad Sam, Owner and Operator of Sinbad Sam's Saloon
Chief Weapons Designer For Reddkneck Arms and Munitions
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Message no. 4
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: More R2 Questions/Erratta
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:25:04 -0500
Sam Thomas[SMTP:sinbad@***.NET] wrote:
> I have been unable to find the table for the design points and costs for
> regular turrets. ie CF, design points, load reduction. I have had to divide
> the Pop Ups to get the CF consumed.

No - it's another case of the tables being in the wrong place.
Those CF numbers are for a normal turret. Pop Ups are double
*those*.

> Also if you have a mini remote, popup, anti-aircraft turret how do you
> figure the costs, design points, etc.

They give base costs for Manned and Remote turrets. You want
a remote, so:
Remote mini, 175 dp, 25kg, 3 CF
Now we add the AA (because you want the AA stuff to pop up as
well, so the popup calculation has to be last):
AA option, +87.5 dp, +1 CF
Now the popup:
Popup option, x2 CF
--------------------------------
262.5 dp, 25kg, 8 CF

> Also which type of hardpoints would it use ie internal or external
hardpoint?

A hardpoint is a hardpoint. Are you thinking of external
rocket mounts?

James Ojaste
Message no. 5
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: More R2 Questions/Erratta
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:23:40 -0500
In a message dated 97-11-14 01:23:18 EST, sinbad@***.NET writes:

> Ok in the absence of other input(s) sounds like a doable solution. But what
> is Mini Turret's basic DP, CF and load reduction cost? ie the non remote
or
> pop up version of the mini turret.
>
The standard DP for a Pop-Up minit turret is 125 points.6 CF; 25 KG...this is
all for Design Specifications of course, as IMHO you would have to design
this one from scratch.
Message no. 6
From: Mike Bobroff <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: More R2 Questions/Erratta
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:12:20 -0500
In a message dated 97-11-13 19:28:28 EST, you write:

> I have been unable to find the table for the design points and costs for
> regular turrets. ie CF, design points, load reduction. I have had to
divide
> the Pop Ups to get the CF consumed.
>

I suggest you reread the design section for vehicles .. you will find the
parts soon enough that you are looking for ...

Mike

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