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Message no. 1
From: Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com>
Subject: More ways to bug deckers
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 21:31:16 PDT
You know what happens when you sit in one place for a very long time?
Like on a long car ride? you get all cramped up and youy have trouble
walking? Imagine what would happen if you couldn't shift around at
all. Not pretty eh? Now think-Don't deckers do this ALL THE TIME?

How about rules for this? And we could get another thing to add to
decks:Muscle Stimulation

It's rating is rolled against some TN to avoifd getting the decker
some penalties for sitting in one place without movinbg for long
periods of time. We'd need rules for this first, and probabvly ways to
resist without it, though.

<standard evil GM laugh #295 here>


Shiftboy (aka Benjamin Kercheval)
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Message no. 2
From: Tom Pendergrast <pendergr@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: More ways to bug deckers
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 01:05:15 -0700 (PDT)
> Don't deckers do this ALL THE TIME?

((Yeah, as well as the thousands of wageslaves out there.))

> How about rules for this? And we could get another thing to add to
> decks:Muscle Stimulation

((Warning : the following is all IMHO))
((Oh please! Next we're going to have trigger finger massagers on your
customized guardian!))

> It's rating is rolled against some TN to avoifd getting the decker
> some penalties for sitting in one place without movinbg for long
> periods of time.

((Yeah, now we'll pile up the penalties. You're waiting in ambush, roll
against a TN of X to see if you... you're concentrating on stealthily
following Joe Schmoe for hours, roll against a TN of X to see if your
foot cramps up.
Gimme a break! Any GM would honestly use something like this
is wasting their time and their player's time. The game takes long
enough as it is, with all the rules : Cut the idiotic rules, save time, and
get back to the game.))

---Tom---
Message no. 3
From: "Andre' Selmer" <031ANDRE@******.wits.ac.za>
Subject: Re: More ways to bug deckers
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:44:58 GMT + 2:00
@
@ You know what happens when you sit in one place for a very long time?
@ Like on a long car ride? you get all cramped up and youy have trouble
@ walking? Imagine what would happen if you couldn't shift around at
@ all. Not pretty eh? Now think-Don't deckers do this ALL THE TIME?
@
@ How about rules for this? And we could get another thing to add to
@ decks:Muscle Stimulation
@
@ It's rating is rolled against some TN to avoifd getting the decker
@ some penalties for sitting in one place without movinbg for long
@ periods of time. We'd need rules for this first, and probabvly ways to
@ resist without it, though.

I assume the deckers body enters into a state very similar to
that of sleep. When you sleep all direct control of the voluntary
muscles is lost. (Otherwise you would be running around in you sleep
;) when dreaming). The muscles still move but irrgualarly and such.

Alternatively, there are those Gizmos out there used by Physios
that stimulate muscles. Had a friend shove one on me the other day
and crank it up to full (Couldn't move my arm for Billy Shit).

Andre'

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Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: More ways to bug deckers
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 18:20:55 +1030
>You know what happens when you sit in one place for a very long time?
>Like on a long car ride? you get all cramped up and youy have trouble
>walking? Imagine what would happen if you couldn't shift around at
>all. Not pretty eh? Now think-Don't deckers do this ALL THE TIME?
>
>How about rules for this? And we could get another thing to add to
>decks:Muscle Stimulation

An ASIST link does not completly cut out the neural impulses. In
particular, a full-neural connection (or a simchip), whilst filtering out
gross muscular commands, allow minor commands to go through, allowing
such things as a shift in sitting position.

As for the idea of sitting down making you cramped... it's not
necessarily true. Yoga adepts, for example, can sit for hours meditating,
and be completely limber afterwards. I'd imagine any decker worth his
salt would be like this.

(Also, in my own experience, I can get up from a 5-hour coding session,
without much more than a stretch)

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Message no. 5
From: "Dr. Bolthy von Schotz" <bolthy@**.com>
Subject: Re: More ways to bug deckers
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 04:36:20 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Robert Watkins wrote:

> >You know what happens when you sit in one place for a very long time?
> >Like on a long car ride? you get all cramped up and youy have trouble
> >walking? Imagine what would happen if you couldn't shift around at
> >all. Not pretty eh? Now think-Don't deckers do this ALL THE TIME?
> >
> >How about rules for this? And we could get another thing to add to
> >decks:Muscle Stimulation
>
> An ASIST link does not completly cut out the neural impulses. In
> particular, a full-neural connection (or a simchip), whilst filtering out
> gross muscular commands, allow minor commands to go through, allowing
> such things as a shift in sitting position.
>
> As for the idea of sitting down making you cramped... it's not
> necessarily true. Yoga adepts, for example, can sit for hours meditating,
> and be completely limber afterwards. I'd imagine any decker worth his
> salt would be like this.
>
> (Also, in my own experience, I can get up from a 5-hour coding session,
> without much more than a stretch)
>

Yeah... if you check out the rules in Shadowbeat, they say that simsense
rigs don't cut out things such as the ability to shift around to make
yourself more comfortable, or emergency response things like pain, or
smelling smoke... the same should be true for deckers.



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Message no. 6
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: More ways to bug deckers
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:14:25 -0400
Greetings,

21 Apr 96 21:31, Benjamin <benjamin@*****.com> wrote:

>B> You know what happens when you sit in one place for a very long time?
>B> Like on a long car ride? you get all cramped up and youy have trouble
>B> walking? Imagine what would happen if you couldn't shift around at
>B> all. Not pretty eh? Now think-Don't deckers do this ALL THE TIME?

The RAS override eliminates this problem while in cyberspace. Though I could
see a possible problem when the decker jacks out.

jhm

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