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Message no. 1
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:40:37 -0400
Frankly, I'm tired of the stifling of ideas and the incessant arguments
that arise from the use of the term munchkin.

I feel that an idea in and of itself is merely an idea. It can be an
unbalancing one, or a good one. It can violate rules, or merely exist as
an interpretation of the rules. A munchkin is a person who role-plays
poorly. They break rules solely to gain power for the character, etc etc.
Just because a person wants to explore an idea beyond the rules does not
make them a munchkin.

Further, we have for the most part never played with any of the other list
members. Some are in the same groups, and some play at cons or over IRC,
but the majority have not had any gaming experience with more than one or
two others. We frankly don't know what kind of role-players are on this
list, and therefore we can't make any statement about how any individual
poster games.

Therefore, I move that the FAQ be modified so that it includes a statement
barring attacks on members of this list, rather than their ideas. Accusing
others of being munchkinous based solely on a knowledge of their ideas for
the game, rather than how they actually play the game makes no sense.
Attacks on ideas are perfectly valid, discuss rules, discuss game balance,
say that the idea has no place in SR, but don't assume that the person
behind the idea is a poor roleplayer, even if the idea is overpowered.
Attacking people only upsets, and it obscures the discussion of the ideas,
which is why I think we are all here.

I personally would like to hear more outrageous and interesting and even
unacceptable ideas rather than simply grind through the standard
conservative boring posts. If I'm alone, then I guess I'll just leave, but
does this list have to be a bastion of conservatism and stifle creativity
with labeling?

--DT
Message no. 2
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:15:17 -0400
Once upon a time, David Thompson wrote;

> Frankly, I'm tired of the stifling of ideas and the incessant
>arguments that arise from the use of the term munchkin.

I've never liked that the list could never agree on it's definintion. For
example, I violently disagree that being able to roleplay is a
disqualifier for it.

> I feel that an idea in and of itself is merely an idea. It can be an
>unbalancing one, or a good one. It can violate rules, or merely exist as
>an interpretation of the rules. A munchkin is a person who role-plays
>poorly. They break rules solely to gain power for the character, etc etc.
>Just because a person wants to explore an idea beyond the rules does not
>make them a munchkin.

Yet again, poor to no roleplaying is a stereotype but not a catch
all. The ideas themselves and their approach does give great insight into
though.

> Further, we have for the most part never played with any of the other list
>members. Some are in the same groups, and some play at cons or over IRC,
>but the majority have not had any gaming experience with more than one or
>two others. We frankly don't know what kind of role-players are on this
>list, and therefore we can't make any statement about how any individual
>poster games.

But we do have an idea by what they post. They are more than welcome
to correct our opinion.

> Therefore, I move that the FAQ be modified so that it includes a statement
>barring attacks on members of this list, rather than their ideas. Accusing
>others of being munchkinous based solely on a knowledge of their ideas for
>the game, rather than how they actually play the game makes no sense.
>Attacks on ideas are perfectly valid, discuss rules, discuss game balance,
>say that the idea has no place in SR, but don't assume that the person
>behind the idea is a poor roleplayer, even if the idea is overpowered.
>Attacking people only upsets, and it obscures the discussion of the ideas,
>which is why I think we are all here.

I didn't know the FAQ permitted or encouraged personal attacks.
Seriously though, it is proper nettiquette not to but it will still
happen. A rule banning it won't stop it from happening.

> I personally would like to hear more outrageous and interesting and even
>unacceptable ideas rather than simply grind through the standard
>conservative boring posts. If I'm alone, then I guess I'll just leave, but
>does this list have to be a bastion of conservatism and stifle creativity
>with labeling?

When it comes to gaming I am very conservative towards game rules
and background and I don't think that has ever stifled my creativity. I
do want to hear interesting ideas and outrageous ideas can be passed over
easily enough. Unacceptable ideas I try to answer on why they shouldn't
exist. I will admit I almost veiw them as an attack on this game I've
come to love so much. And I have even started flame wars because of such
things.

-MC23, who is just waiting for the right moment to flame Gurth again-
"Ooh he's so nice and he's isn't even smug about it. I hate him so."
Message no. 3
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:26:27 -0400
*sigh*

Is this what it's come down to? This sort of silliness?

Generally we do avoid making any kind of reference to the individuals
behind posts. There are, as usual, exceptions. There are usually
relatively reasonable explanations for these exceptions also.

A munchkin is usually defined not simply as someone that is a
poor-roleplayer. Concepts and ideas *can* be labeled munchkinous.

A big part of it all is the presentation of the ideas. Keith is a good guy
and has a good head on his shoulders, but I would consider his
game/campaign to be munchkinous. But he knows that people like me have
those opinions about his version of SR and has generally been excellent
about separating FASA canon from his own house rules. He's never tried to
fob lame ideas at us. When working with the list, he's generally tried to
stay within what is FASA canon for SR. He's also far more reasonable when
he's wrong and doesn't react with bitter sarcasm.

Demo 3, as I read the two posts from him, had a much different attitude. I
distinctly got the impression he hadn't placed his concept up for judging
so much as approval. My impression. Keith has never done that to my
knowledge.

That's why I don't have a problem with Keith's wild hair ideas, but I have
a problem with Demo 3's. This isn't a highly conservative list, always
eager to smash a new idea.

As long as Keith and other folks like Wyrmy are around, this list will
always have some very bizarre and out there ideas. Other like James
Ojaste, David Buehrer, Nexx and others sometimes have oddball concepts.
Others of us prefer to play our games as close and as tight with FASA
cannon and intent, and interpret rules not to what we want, but to what we
believe FASA intended. I for one try to run a very tight ship, with a
minimum of house rules and other assorted oddities. But that's my game.

If Demo 3 wants to use his flesh hurling concept in his own game, I can't
stop him. I won't stop him, because it's his game and he's free to do with
it what he will. I wouldn't ever play in that game, but no one is forcing
me to either.

In other words, I vote against your motion. The FAQ doesn't need anything
like that added to it.

-E

otherwise known as Erik J.


"Oh, the silent helicopters and the men in black fatigues? They're just my
car pool to work."
Message no. 4
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:55:48 -0400
>In other words, I vote against your motion. The FAQ doesn't need anything
>like that added to it.

A vote against common courtesy and decency. Logged as such.

--DT
Message no. 5
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:29:33 -0700
David Thompson wrote:

> >In other words, I vote against your motion. The FAQ doesn't need anything
> >like that added to it.

> A vote against common courtesy and decency. Logged as such.

No: a vote against unnecessary rules. David -- this *really* struck me
as a provocation.


- Matt

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Message no. 6
From: NEWSHADOW <NEWSHADOW@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:35:31 EDT
In a message dated 98-05-12 19:01:20 EDT, David Thompson writes:

> A vote against common courtesy and decency. Logged as such.

<soapbox>
I've been reading the posts made along the subject lines that led to this
motion, and have preatty much stayed out, not wanting to throw kindling on the
embers, but with that last comment you made, you seem to be the one showing a
lack of common courtesy. I won't say decency because that word carries a
little more weight behind it. If you don't like a persons vote keep quiet
about it. Don't take everything as a personal affront to you just because you
posted it.

And I'd agree with Eric J. on the point that the list doesn't really need
anything added. IMO the list members have a way of keeping themselves
courteous most of the time. If things get out of hand, just roll with the
punches. Nobody here responds with the intention of hurting somebody's
feelings, it just comes out that way at times.

I'll get off my soapbox now. :)

</soapbox>

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Message no. 7
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:38:54 -0600
At 17:40 12/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
> Frankly, I'm tired of the stifling of ideas and the incessant
arguments
>that arise from the use of the term munchkin.

It means something different to everyone. And since nobody can agree on
just what it is, people feel free to use it all willy-nilly.

> Further, we have for the most part never played with any of the
other list
>members. Some are in the same groups, and some play at cons or over IRC,
>but the majority have not had any gaming experience with more than one or
>two others. We frankly don't know what kind of role-players are on this
>list, and therefore we can't make any statement about how any individual
>poster games.

You can make a pretty decent educated guess after reading a bunch of posts
from a person. I think I could hop over to the Netherlands and play in
Gurth's game, and fit in fairly well, as well as in a bunch of the games
running around the globe.

> Therefore, I move that the FAQ be modified so that it includes a
statement
>barring attacks on members of this list, rather than their ideas.

The FAQ already barrs flaming. We don't need more rules and regulations
and red tape.

> I personally would like to hear more outrageous and interesting
and even
>unacceptable ideas rather than simply grind through the standard
>conservative boring posts.

If you think the list is boring, why are you here? I personally don't want
to see a pile of posts that have very little to do with 'standard' SR,
posts that I couldn't use to help improve my game.

>If I'm alone, then I guess I'll just leave, but
>does this list have to be a bastion of conservatism and stifle creativity
>with labeling?

I don't think it is. But people tend to shoot down ridiculous ideas pretty
quick.

-Adam J
Speaking for himself, not as an Admin.
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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:12:50 +0100
And verily, did Matb hastily scribble thusly...
|
|David Thompson wrote:
|
|> >In other words, I vote against your motion. The FAQ doesn't need anything
|> >like that added to it.
|
|> A vote against common courtesy and decency. Logged as such.
|
|No: a vote against unnecessary rules. David -- this *really* struck me
|as a provocation.

Asking for a vote about banning personal attacks and then personally
attacking the first person to vote no...

Shows what a jackass and hypocrit this person can be....
(Don't worry, it's only personal)...

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Message no. 9
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:17:08 -0400
At 07:35 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-05-12 19:01:20 EDT, David Thompson writes:
>
>> A vote against common courtesy and decency. Logged as such.
>
><soapbox>
>I've been reading the posts made along the subject lines that led to this
>motion, and have preatty much stayed out, not wanting to throw kindling on
the
>embers, but with that last comment you made, you seem to be the one showing a
>lack of common courtesy.

Actually, I was following my own advice. I expressed my opinion on the
opinion expressed. I did not state an opinion about the poster, except for
anything you would attribute to him as a result of what he said.

Did I say the Erik was an asshole, that I thought he was a horrible gamer
and a munchkin. No. Do I even think so, no. I was angered that he and
others would attack another member of this list so harshly, and I tried to
get the idea out on the list that perhaps we should be less quick to do so.
I also thought it was stupid of him to killfile Demosthenes 3. If I had
kill filed Erik because of his (IMO) inappropriate response, I never would
have seen his very good post on cyber and regeneration, which I agreed with
and supported.

Being called a jackass and a hypocrite, now that is a personal attack.
Thanks a lot Spike. I'll admit that I responded hastily, but it was more
in amazement than anything else. I thought I was really saying we should
try to be more ... polite for lack of a better word. I was amazed that the
response wasn't, yeah, we should try to do better, but we are people and
shit will happen. That was the response I was looking for. I just hoped
that my post would make people realize what was going on, and try to be a
little more civil. To say that nothing like that is needed is saying (IMO)
that we don't need to encourage civility. Hence my admittedly caustic
response.

As for the responses I have gotten, I won't say, because I'll just be
going in the direction I think we should avoid.

--DT
Message no. 10
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:28:14 +1000
David Thompson writes:
>Spike writes:
>>In a message dated 98-05-12 19:01:20 EDT, David Thompson writes:
>>
>>> A vote against common courtesy and decency. Logged as such.
>>
>><soapbox>
>>I've been reading the posts made along the subject lines that led to this
>>motion, and have preatty much stayed out, not wanting to throw kindling on
>the
>>embers, but with that last comment you made, you seem to be the one
showing a
>>lack of common courtesy.
>
> Actually, I was following my own advice. I expressed my opinion on
the
>opinion expressed. I did not state an opinion about the poster, except for
>anything you would attribute to him as a result of what he said.


Umm... when you say that his opinion is a vote against common courtesy and
decency, you _are_ expressing an opinion about him. You are saying he is a
person who does not value common courtesy and decency, and that is indeed a
personal attack.

(Oh, and it'd be easier to follow your posts if you included _who_ you were
replying to)

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 11
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:38:04 -0400
At 05:29 PM 5/12/98 -0700, you wrote:

>No: a vote against unnecessary rules. David -- this *really* struck me
>as a provocation.

You are probably right. Sorry. But still, what I was suggesting is
already in print in the FAQ. Flames are "discouraged." As I said, I was
hoping to bring the issue of civility to the attention of everyone.

Oh, and thank you for pointing out my misstep without insulting me in any
way. The point is taken. I in fact did not intend to insult Erik, but was
suprised by his brushing aside the issue of civility.

I would think that where I write before or after a quote, or whether I
include an attachment would reside after whether I insult someone in terms
of importance (unless that guy who said he would get fired if he recieved
an attachment is still around. I can't imagine how he would be though,
with the way those things are flying around recently he must be on the
street by now.)

--DT
Message no. 12
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:54:20 -0500
On 12 May 98 at 18:55, David Thompson wrote:

> >In other words, I vote against your motion. The FAQ doesn't need anything
> >like that added to it.
>
> A vote against common courtesy and decency. Logged as such.

I thought you were an advocate of not flaming people? This post is
clearly inciteful. If the FAQ were to be changed as you wish it,
you would be in violation of it now. But because it isn't, we can do
what should be done with a post like this; ignore it, and move on.
(Which is what I should of done, to be honest. But I felt compelled
to hopefully give you something to think about).

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Message no. 13
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:54:20 -0500
On 12 May 98 at 17:40, David Thompson wrote:

> Therefore, I move that the FAQ be modified so that it includes a statement
> barring attacks on members of this list, rather than their ideas.

A noble sentiment, but an excessive action, I'm afraid. The FAQ
already prohibits flaming. That should be good enough. We don't need
to muddy the waters.

--
Tim Kerby, IMHO.
(The above does not necessarily reflect the views of the list
officers, including Gridsec.)
Message no. 14
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:05:21 -0400
At 11:54 PM 5/12/98 -0500, Tim Kerby wrote:
>On 12 May 98 at 18:55, David Thompson wrote:
>
>> >In other words, I vote against your motion. The FAQ doesn't need anything
>> >like that added to it.
>>
>> A vote against common courtesy and decency. Logged as such.
>
>I thought you were an advocate of not flaming people? This post is
>clearly inciteful. If the FAQ were to be changed as you wish it,
>you would be in violation of it now. But because it isn't, we can do
>what should be done with a post like this; ignore it, and move on.
>(Which is what I should of done, to be honest. But I felt compelled
>to hopefully give you something to think about).

Actually you did as I should have done, responded calmly and without insult.
But, the FAQ does discourage direct insults on people. I think we should,
certainly including myself, do better to follow it.

--DT
Message no. 15
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:26:36 EDT
In a message dated 5/12/98 10:50:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
david.s.thompson@****.EDU writes:

> Oh, and thank you for pointing out my misstep without insulting me in any
> way. The point is taken. I in fact did not intend to insult Erik, but was
> suprised by his brushing aside the issue of civility.
>
Hey, that's just Erik...you guys should know that by now... ;P****

-K (smile guys...you're on candid email!!!!)
Message no. 16
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:45:28 EDT
In a message dated 5/12/98 5:37:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, erikj@****.COM
writes:

> -E
>
YES!!!! Another one...!!!! Now if the converts could just absorb the
-whole- of the English Alphabet...!!!!

-K
Message no. 17
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:51:53 -0400
Once upon a time, Ereskanti wrote;

>YES!!!! Another one...!!!! Now if the converts could just absorb the
>-whole- of the English Alphabet...!!!!

Where does that leave me?

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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Message no. 18
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:58:21 +1000
Ereksanti writes:
>> -E
>>
>YES!!!! Another one...!!!! Now if the converts could just absorb the
>-whole- of the English Alphabet...!!!!


Don't be racist... Let other alphabets in on the fun.

- Rho. (_not_ Rho Beta)

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Message no. 19
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:09:45 EDT
In a message dated 5/12/98 11:54:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
mc23@**********.COM writes:

> >YES!!!! Another one...!!!! Now if the converts could just absorb the
> >-whole- of the English Alphabet...!!!!
>
> Where does that leave me?
>
HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK HOOK

-:P
Message no. 20
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:26:35 EDT
In a message dated 5/13/98 12:04:19 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
robert.watkins@******.COM writes:

> Don't be racist... Let other alphabets in on the fun.
>
> - Rho. (_not_ Rho Beta)
>
Hey now!!! I wasn't being racist, just a make-shift comedian... :P

-K
Message no. 21
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:17:35 -0500
----------
> From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>

> > Don't be racist... Let other alphabets in on the fun.
> >
> > - Rho. (_not_ Rho Beta)
> >
> Hey now!!! I wasn't being racist, just a make-shift comedian... :P

Too bad you didn't make the shift into a _funny_ comedian <g> ::raises
piscine repellent umbrella::
Message no. 22
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:20:32 -0400
At 12:51 AM 5/13/98 -0400, MC23 wrote these timeless words:
>Once upon a time, Ereskanti wrote;
>
>>YES!!!! Another one...!!!! Now if the converts could just absorb the
>>-whole- of the English Alphabet...!!!!
>
>Where does that leave me?
>
You got two letters AND two numbers... And since MC23 isn;t actually a
word, I say it counts :]

-- B :]
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Message no. 23
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:20:30 -0400
At 06:15 PM 5/12/98 -0400, MC23 wrote these timeless words:
>Once upon a time, David Thompson wrote;
>
>> Frankly, I'm tired of the stifling of ideas and the incessant
>>arguments that arise from the use of the term munchkin.
>
>I've never liked that the list could never agree on it's definintion. For
>example, I violently disagree that being able to roleplay is a
>disqualifier for it.
>
For once MC23, we agree completely... I've met several players who use a
well thought out background and a little bit of roleplaying as an excuse to
play cybered up over powered characters. They really fall more under the
Power Gamer category, but let's face it, the word's meaning has changed to
be a bit more broad and all encompassing these days :]

Bull :]
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Message no. 24
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:49:36 +0100
Robert Watkins said on 14:58/13 May 98...

> Don't be racist... Let other alphabets in on the fun.

Then I want to be the Cyrrilic I, so everybody calls me N :)

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Message no. 25
From: Matthew Waddilove <m_waddilove@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:58:05 PDT
Ereskanti
>
>In a message dated 5/12/98 5:37:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
erikj@****.COM
>writes:
>
>> -E
>>
>YES!!!! Another one...!!!! Now if the converts could just absorb
the
>-whole- of the English Alphabet...!!!!
>
>-K
>

No don't do it.

-§
who espouses K's plot to rule the world :)

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Message no. 26
From: Katt Freyson <katt@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:03:39 -0400
|> From: MC23 |> Sent: May 13, 1998 12:52 AM
|> Subject: Re: Motion

|> >YES!!!! Another one...!!!! Now if the converts could just absorb the
|> >-whole- of the English Alphabet...!!!!
|>
|> Where does that leave me?

You could use -T

-M
Message no. 27
From: Katt Freyson <katt@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:03:42 -0400
|> From: -K
|> Sent: May 13, 1998 1:27 AM
|> Subject: Re: Motion

|> > Don't be racist... Let other alphabets in on the fun.
|> >
|> > - Rho. (_not_ Rho Beta)
|> >
|> Hey now!!! I wasn't being racist, just a make-shift comedian... :P

Yes, the problem with other aphabets is that they cannot be properly
displayed using plain text. Until the new encoding system gets universal
acceptance and all programs can use them, we are rather limited. Write -Rho
defeats the rules and purpose of single letter names.

-M
Message no. 28
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:25:35 +0100
And verily, did Katt Freyson hastily scribble thusly...
||> Where does that leave me?
|
| You could use -T

Oh what the hell....

I might as well join in and make sure I get my letter before anyone else
snags it...

-A
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Message no. 29
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:20:45 -0500
On 13 May 98 at 20:25, Spike wrote:

> Oh what the hell....
>
> I might as well join in and make sure I get my letter before anyone
> else snags it...
>
> -A

Yep. I'm already screwed.. T and K are taken. Could go back to
Drekhead and use D... Nah...

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Message no. 30
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:03:30 -0600
Tim Kerby wrote:
/
/ On 13 May 98 at 20:25, Spike wrote:
/
/ > Oh what the hell....
/ >
/ > I might as well join in and make sure I get my letter before anyone
/ > else snags it...
/ >
/ > -A
/
/ Yep. I'm already screwed.. T and K are taken.

Or, you could take the totally awesome "T2" :)

-D
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Message no. 31
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:29:49 EDT
In a message dated 5/13/98 1:38:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
nexx@********.NET writes:

> > Hey now!!! I wasn't being racist, just a make-shift comedian... :P
>
> Too bad you didn't make the shift into a _funny_ comedian <g> ::raises
> piscine repellent umbrella::
>
(thump) <indicates the funny sound that Nexx made when he hit the floor after
the rug was pulled out from under him...>

-K
Message no. 32
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:40:06 -0500
On 13 May 98 at 15:03, David Buehrer wrote:

> Or, you could take the totally awesome "T2" :)

No, I could never do that. Only a dork would use only letters and
numbers for a name... :)

<oh, sorry MC23. I didn't see you standing there...>
:)

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Message no. 33
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:26:54 -0400
Once upon a time, Tim Kerby wrote;

>On 13 May 98 at 15:03, David Buehrer wrote:
>
>> Or, you could take the totally awesome "T2" :)
>
>No, I could never do that. Only a dork would use only letters and
>numbers for a name... :)
>
><oh, sorry MC23. I didn't see you standing there...>
>:)


..ooo*"""**ooooo .oo*""*ooo..
. oo*" "*oo oo*" "*oo
. o" 'o" "o
o o *o
.o o 'o
o o o.
o o o.
o o o
o \o/ o
o --0-- o
o. /o\ o
o o o
"o o o =
o'" o oo
oo o oo
oo. oo oo
'ooo. .oo. ooo
"o ""oo,, ,,oO-'Oo, ,,,,,,..oo"o
o. """""" oo
""""" .o
'o oo o'
*o oo o
'o o o
o o o
o o o
o o o
o o o
o o o
o o o
Message no. 34
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:38:29 +1000
MC23 writes:

[snip ascii pic]

Please, MC23... we don't need to see that, do we?

(Hey, GridSec! Arrest him for indecent exposure!)

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Message no. 35
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:57:00 -0600
Robert Watkins wrote:
/
/ MC23 writes:
/
/ [snip ascii pic]
/
/ Please, MC23... we don't need to see that, do we?
/
/ (Hey, GridSec! Arrest him for indecent exposure!)

I would've. But he ran away while I was rolling on the ground and
laughing out loud :'D

Man. I have never, never, seen an email moon before. That's going
down as a classic :)

-David
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Message no. 36
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:30:22 +0100
David Buehrer said on 20:57/13 May 98...

> Man. I have never, never, seen an email moon before. That's going
> down as a classic :)

Pete Simms (talk about old-timers ;) posted that same ASCII "art" to
the list some time ago. A bit strange that you missed it then...

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Message no. 37
From: Katt Freyson <katt@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:46:30 -0400
|> From: David Buehrer
|> Subject: Re: Motion

|> Or, you could take the totally awesome "T2" :)

How about T' which stands [I believe] means T prime, a system often
used to mark a second iteration of a series. Then the next would be T'' <g>

-M
Message no. 38
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:59:05 -0600
Gurth wrote:
/
/ David Buehrer said on 20:57/13 May 98...
/
/ > Man. I have never, never, seen an email moon before. That's going
/ > down as a classic :)
/
/ Pete Simms (talk about old-timers ;) posted that same ASCII "art" to
/ the list some time ago. A bit strange that you missed it then...

What happened to old Pete? Okay, now that you've prompted my memory I do
recall the event. However, MC23 used it to the best effect IMHO.

-David
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Message no. 39
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:34:32 -0500
On 13 May 98 at 22:26, MC23 wrote:

> Once upon a time, Tim Kerby wrote;
>
> >On 13 May 98 at 15:03, David Buehrer wrote:
> >
> >> Or, you could take the totally awesome "T2" :)
> >
> >No, I could never do that. Only a dork would use only letters and
> >numbers for a name... :)
> >
> ><oh, sorry MC23. I didn't see you standing there...>
> >:)
>
>
> ..ooo*"""**ooooo .oo*""*ooo..
<snipped rest of the ASCII art>

LOL! Thanks for the portrait, MC. :)

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Message no. 40
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:31:40 +0100
David Buehrer said on 6:59/14 May 98...

> What happened to old Pete?

Probably lurking, as usual. Blaze posted something the other week, so
someone there is still reading the list...

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Message no. 41
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:46:20 EDT
In a message dated 5/13/98 9:29:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
mc23@**********.COM writes:

> ><oh, sorry MC23. I didn't see you standing there...>
> >:)
>
>
> ..ooo*"""**ooooo .oo*""*ooo..
> . oo*" "*oo oo*" "*oo
> . o" 'o" "o
> o o *o
> .o o 'o
> o o o.
> o o o.
> o o o
> o \o/ o
> o --0-- o
> o. /o\ o
> o o o
> "o o o =
> o'" o oo
> oo o oo
> oo. oo oo
> 'ooo. .oo. ooo
> "o ""oo,, ,,oO-'Oo, ,,,,,,..oo"o
> o. """""" oo
""""" .o
> 'o oo o'
> *o oo o
> 'o o o
> o o o
> o o o
> o o o
> o o o
> o o o
> o o o
>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I'm Blind!!!! Help, Gridsec!!! Help, Canes, Ultrasound...no, wait a minute,
not Ultrasound, then I would know exactly how deep that "moon" is... :P

-K
Message no. 42
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Motion
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:26:30 -0500
On Fri, 15 May 1998 01:01:34 -0400 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>At 12:04 AM 5/15/98 -0400, BigDaddy wrote these timeless words:
>>this must have been before my time. exactly what is this letter
>>nonsense?

>It's basically just a joke... Eraskanti has always just used -K as his
>sign off name, and someone took that a step in the MIB direction (You
know,
>the Men in Black movie :)), so it's become a running Off Topic thread...
>They happen a lot around here because, for the most part, we're all
fairly
>easy going and very friendly and silly...
>
>And usually the OT threads get blamed on me somehow... Man, make one
>little woodchuck joke... <sigh>
>
>:]
>
>Bull-the-Off-Topic-Ork-Decker
>--
>Bull, aka Steven Ratkovich, aka Rak, aka Chaos, aka a lot of others!
>:]

Actually, this one was my fault ... (I asked K if his
nick/handle/whatever was based on the MIB ...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum)

/me puts on blindfold, smokes lasts cigarette, and awaits incoming fish
...

BTW, I realized I was online too much when I saw a smilee shirt and
thought it was wwierd that the smilee was side-ways...

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