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Message no. 1
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Movement and T-birds
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:16:41 -0500
Greetings to all hope your weekend was as good as mine ;-]

After some reading and playing(of course) I would like to
read some comments about things I`m not sure about.

ok let`s go

Lets say some spirit with the movement power was ordered to
enhance a vehicles speed.
Would there be a limit except domain?
A spirit with F can move on the astral at force x1000m per combat turn.
To use the power it has to manifest and than would be much slower.
So when the vehicle had a speed over 1000 the enhanced movement
is over the max speed of the spirit.
So can the spirit give the vehicle the enhancement in full or only to its
speed
limit? Or is the spirits movement not importend and the power can be used
without restriction in his domain when yes would it make sense for some
kind of air spirit to affected some one the other side of the planet?

Any ideas how the movement power works?
I think its works that way that the spirit distorts the distances which will
in effect than be
much shorter or longer which depences on the use of the power of course.
How fuel fuel will be needed?
For the entire distance or just for the fraction of spirits force of that?
I think the fuel has to be calculated for the fraction of the distance?

This leeds me to the next thing.
Had anyone noticed that the fuel tanks of T-birds are way to small?
Full loaded 60% for takeoff plus 30% for landing thats 10% for the actual
flight.
The banshee`s max flight distance would be 80Km no none would use such a
vehicle.
We will anybody perform one of the famous T-bird runs with that?
all 50km a place to refuel I think not.
To make sense to that I say a 5 to10 times fuel capacity increase is needed to
make a T-bird usefull after all.

Has anyone a clue how high a T-bird could fly?
The are only listed as low altitude but how low is low.
When it could realy fly and use not some kind of groundeffect than most of the
traps for them in the Denver book will be must useless like deep holes or big
walls.

Any opinions?

--
Barbie


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climbing over sumertowm you can kiss the air we`re
gliding follow me for sumerland no sound no life
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memories lay beside us but i`m seeing through an
age who i`m through sumerland.

(Fields of the Nephilim-Eilzium-Weil of Sumer)

Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Movement and T-birds
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:21:54 +0100
Barbie said on 0:16/ 9 Jun 97...

[snip movement power stuff]
> This leeds me to the next thing.
> Had anyone noticed that the fuel tanks of T-birds are way to small?
> Full loaded 60% for takeoff plus 30% for landing thats 10% for the actual
> flight.

Other vehicles suffer from the same problem. Their ranges look nice until
you figure in what take-off and landing costs.

> The banshee`s max flight distance would be 80Km no none would use such a
> vehicle.
> We will anybody perform one of the famous T-bird runs with that?
> all 50km a place to refuel I think not.
> To make sense to that I say a 5 to10 times fuel capacity increase is needed to
> make a T-bird usefull after all.

Well, it's always possible to do a VSTOL or STOL takeoff in a T-Bird,
that would cost only 30% or 20% of fuel, respectively. BTW, those are for
_unloaded_ vehicles. Technically, a loaded T-Bird can't make both a VTOL
take-off and landing, since that would require 120% of its fuel supply,
unless you're nice and rule that the 80% fuel makes the T-bird count as
unloaded, in which case it only needs 110% :)

I'm not sure how realistic those fuel consumption figures are. It seems to
me that it would be better to increase fuel consumption instead of giving
a flat percentage of fuel that's required. For example, x5 at take-off and
x2.5 at landing for VTOLs, so a T-Bird would have an economy of .1 km/l
when taking off, and .2 km/l when landing.
Do we have anyone with hands-on experience who could tell us something
about the fuel consumption of an aircraft during take-off and landing?

> Has anyone a clue how high a T-bird could fly?

Next you'll be asking if it's possible to ground through a spell quickened
on a T-bird flying at altitude :)

> The are only listed as low altitude but how low is low. When it could
> realy fly and use not some kind of groundeffect than most of the traps
> for them in the Denver book will be must useless like deep holes or big
> walls.

We've had this discussion lots of times before, and my conclusion is that
they can only get to low altitudes, like 20 meters or so at maximum (so
the traps in the Denver book aren't completely useless, but only against
pilots who know they're there).

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