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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Movie feasability and other gripes...
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:23:35 +0100
Dvixen said on 14:39/25 Feb 97...

> Hmmmm... Does this mean a female with tailored pheromones does it not for
> the maneuverability, but for the reaction (or lack thereof) of her
> opponents?

So what happens when the opponents are gay men? :)

> Yikes. This could be a nasty thing for a lady Physad to have. Pheremones
> to throw her victim off-guard until it is too late...

Or maybe they'd all find her a lot sooner...

> Zero's got a great place for putting ehr little pistol. The only problem
> is, she has to unhinge her bra to get it out.... This is not a well
> person, I think.

One thing a character in my now-defunct SR PBEM did was wear her hair
piled up on top of her head, and hide a small pistol in it. I have no idea
if it's really possible (or if it could have been gotten out fast without
her tearing out most of her hair) but it sounded like a good idea.

> And finally, Gurth chanted from atop his dyke:
> (sitting in a yoga position, of course!)

Sitting on a chair in front of a computer in a heated room, with my feet
resting against SR books, actually :)

> Toss the weapon when it isn't needed? *snicker*

I forgot to add that they also hardly ever pick up weapons of dead
enemies unless they _really_ need one.

> > * Grenade explosions look like clouds of gasoline set on fire, and nobody
> > ever gets turned into hamburger by the fragments
>
> Just once, I would like too see the hero have his handsome face marred for
> half the show by a grenade blast. Just once.

You're not the only one...

> > * The women always wait for the main (male) character to come and save
> > them (preferably while screaming their lungs out), instead of taking
> > action themselves
>
> Ye gods! How many times have I yelled at the tele screen because of this?
> Celt has rescued Caber from a tight spot more than he has her. Damned
> narrow minded Scotsmen...

Almost just as bad, IMO, is when the female star finally does kick some
bad guy's ass, and it gets shown as if it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing
that must be paid special attention to (often followed by a comment from
some other character about what just happened).

> Ah yes. They break an arm, onl;y to be using it without any difficulty
> whatsoever a few scenes later. I didn't see any healing magics applied
> here, bucko.
>
> And you never see the hero pass out from blood loss or pain.

<scriptwriter>Of course not! That's not heroic!</scriptwriter>

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Message no. 2
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Movie feasability and other gripes...
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:09:50 -0500
> > Ah yes. They break an arm, onl;y to be using it without any difficulty
> > whatsoever a few scenes later. I didn't see any healing magics applied
> > here, bucko.
> >
> > And you never see the hero pass out from blood loss or pain.
>
> <scriptwriter>Of course not! That's not heroic!</scriptwriter>

Ahh, but you're forgetting the Die Hard trilogy!
My favorite part of those flicks is the fact the Bruce Willis does NOT
instantly recover from his injuries.
He spends most of the film gasping for air, and drenched in blood!
I LOVE IT!
That's the same way I like to run my SR games - beat the crap out of the
PC's, but let them struggle on to a heroic victory.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com./users/bluewizard
"Pook, pook, pook."
Message no. 3
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Movie feasability and other gripes...
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:55:13 -0800
> Dvixen said on 14:39/25 Feb 97...
>
> > Hmmmm... Does this mean a female with tailored pheromones does it not
for
> > the maneuverability, but for the reaction (or lack thereof) of her
> > opponents?
>
> So what happens when the opponents are gay men? :)

Hmmm... Are pheremones sex-exclusive? Either way, she's prolly hoping they
are lovers of the form, if not the body. (although if that was the
reaction she was after, she's gonna be damned disappointed...)

> > Yikes. This could be a nasty thing for a lady Physad to have.
Pheremones
> > to throw her victim off-guard until it is too late...
>
> Or maybe they'd all find her a lot sooner...

That isn't quite what I meant...

> One thing a character in my now-defunct SR PBEM did was wear her hair
> piled up on top of her head, and hide a small pistol in it. I have no
idea
> if it's really possible (or if it could have been gotten out fast
without
> her tearing out most of her hair) but it sounded like a good idea.

You ever seen a beehive? One of the ways I always thought that they were
made/created was by forming the hair over a hollow mold.

> > And finally, Gurth chanted from atop his dyke:
> > (sitting in a yoga position, of course!)
>
> Sitting on a chair in front of a computer in a heated room, with my feet
> resting against SR books, actually :)

1M above Sea level, or 2 below?

> > Toss the weapon when it isn't needed? *snicker*
>
> I forgot to add that they also hardly ever pick up weapons of dead
> enemies unless they _really_ need one.

And even then, it usually has only a couple shots in it.

> Almost just as bad, IMO, is when the female star finally does kick some
> bad guy's ass, and it gets shown as if it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing
> that must be paid special attention to (often followed by a comment from
> some other character about what just happened).

Usually a derogatory comment, too.

> > And you never see the hero pass out from blood loss or pain.
>
> <scriptwriter>Of course not! That's not heroic!</scriptwriter>

Who was it that said 'It's not supposed to be real. It's the movies?'

Ah well....

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Dvixen dvixen@********.com
"And I thought First Ones were rare." - Ivanova - Babylon 5
The opinions expressed are those of the myriad voices in my head
Message no. 4
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Movie feasability and other gripes...
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:24:27 -0700
> From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
> So what happens when the opponents are gay men? :)

The resaction is actually amplified..not only [assuming we are
speaking of sexual attractants and not another variety of pheremone]
are they sexually attracted to this female..they are quite confused
as to why they would ever be..And they might just go off and sulk due
to their confusion...

> Or maybe they'd all find her a lot sooner...

And if she isn't a quickdarw..she might get more than she bargained
for...

> I forgot to add that they also hardly ever pick up weapons of dead
> enemies unless they _really_ need one.

Must be a differing genus of Shadowrunner...

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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Movie feasability and other gripes...
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:30:36 +0100
Steven A. Tinner said on 10:09/26 Feb 97...

> Ahh, but you're forgetting the Die Hard trilogy!

Not really, but IMHO they're not absolutely typical action movies. When I
think of action movies, I tend to think of the standard Stallone and
Schwarzenegger movie (not counting the "comedies" they made).

> My favorite part of those flicks is the fact the Bruce Willis does NOT
> instantly recover from his injuries.
> He spends most of the film gasping for air, and drenched in blood!
> I LOVE IT!

I think Die Hard is on TV here this week... I'll have to watch it again,
it's been quite some time since I've seen it. (BTW, Die Hard With A
Vengeance is better in English than in German :)

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I'm not a philosopher, I only have a highschool diploma.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Movie feasability and other gripes...
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:30:36 +0100
Dvixen said on 7:55/26 Feb 97...

> > So what happens when the opponents are gay men? :)
>
> Hmmm... Are pheremones sex-exclusive?

Not quite sure. I'm not even sure if their function in humans has been
proven (although I'm assuming they work, since a lot of animals make use
of them to attract mates -- why shouldn't we?) What I mean is that gay men
might not be as susceptible to female pheromones as non-gay men are/would
be.

> You ever seen a beehive? One of the ways I always thought that they were
> made/created was by forming the hair over a hollow mold.

Hair? AFAIK bees make honeycombs (and cells to keep eggs in) from wax
that's just piled on top of other wax until it forms a little hexagonal
chamber.

> > Sitting on a chair in front of a computer in a heated room, with my feet
> > resting against SR books, actually :)
>
> 1M above Sea level, or 2 below?

The floor is about 1.5 meters above sea level, but that's only because I'm
upstairs. (Interesting, isn't it? :)

> > Almost just as bad, IMO, is when the female star finally does kick some
> > bad guy's ass, and it gets shown as if it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing
> > that must be paid special attention to (often followed by a comment from
> > some other character about what just happened).
>
> Usually a derogatory comment, too.

Or something like "Wow, that was pretty good, for a girl." Which, if you
look at it, is a derogatory comment too.

> Who was it that said 'It's not supposed to be real. It's the movies?'

I suppose it was someone from Hollywood...

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I'm not a philosopher, I only have a highschool diploma.
-> NERPS Project Leader & Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/plastic.html <-

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Message no. 7
From: Shawn Baumgartner <Breakdown@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Movie feasability and other gripes...
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 03:14:07 -0500
In response to the pheromone questions:

In Shadowtech, it says the Tailored Pheromones aren't sex dependent.

Shawn
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