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Message no. 1
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: MP laser & mirrors
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:06:07 -0500
Has anyone ever tried to deal with the MP laser and mirrors?

Eg. a mirrored shield of some sort?
Also using a mirror to assist aiming and aiming around corners, etc?

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Message no. 2
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: MP laser & mirrors
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:57:29 +0000
Jaymz said
> Has anyone ever tried to deal with the MP laser and mirrors?
>
> Eg. a mirrored shield of some sort?
> Also using a mirror to assist aiming and aiming around corners, etc?

The Problem with this is, Lasers-Beams are _really_ hot (they cook
the victim away), so you'll need very good and heat resistable
Mirrors for that one, Plastic will melt and the silver-coating of
normal mirrors will burn away. All IMHO of course :)

Raven-the-don't-shoot-a-laser-at-my-mirrored-windows-Rigger
--Raven



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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: MP laser & mirrors
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:04:18 +0100
Jaymz said on 22:06/10 Jul 97...

> Has anyone ever tried to deal with the MP laser and mirrors?
>
> Eg. a mirrored shield of some sort?

I don't know enough about lasers to know if that would work. At first I'd
say yes, but anyon walking around with a large mirror deserves everything
that gets fired at him... (Why do you think attack helicopter cockpits
have nearly flat glass plates instead of the curved ones that were so
popular 25+ years ago?)

> Also using a mirror to assist aiming and aiming around corners, etc?

With an MP laser? Should be possible, if you use a laser sight (easy
enough to make by powering down the output of the MP laser). Otherwise
it's extremely hard to aim properly through a mirror, since you're not
looking in the same direction as the weapon anymore. (Unless you decide to
make one of those curved barrel attachments that existed for the StG-44 at
the end of WWII.)

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Message no. 4
From: William Monroe Ashe <wma6617@****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: MP laser & mirrors
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:39:55 -0500
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Raven wrote:

>
> The Problem with this is, Lasers-Beams are _really_ hot (they cook
> the victim away), so you'll need very good and heat resistable
> Mirrors for that one, Plastic will melt and the silver-coating of
> normal mirrors will burn away. All IMHO of course :)

Actually that is not quite true, I work with lasers all of the time, the
thing is the "energy density" i.e. how much energy you pack into some
area. For a laser weapon to work, it must have a very tight focus right
at te impact point. If not, all a person would get is a mild burn.
Now, as I understand it the Ares MP-2 laser is an ultraviolet laser. UV
lasers are particulary dispersive in air. So the beam would have to be
very carefully focussed.

Game wise that is not a problem, couple the laser focussing optics
to a range finder and *whammo* you're a crispy critter. But, anywhere
except at the focus point the beam would be "rather" broad, and could be
reflected quite easily.
Now certain metals relfect UV light very well others don't. The
best UV mirrors are front surfaced aluminum. Silver absorbs very
strongly at certain UV. In fact most commercial mirrors are now aluminum.

If you want more info, e-mail me privatly. We could post a summary to
the list when we're done.


Regards

William Ashe (Bill)
Stored Ion and Laser Physics Lab
Texas A&M University
Message no. 5
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MP laser & mirrors
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:32:35 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-11 19:08:58 EDT, justin@******.NET (Jaymz) writes:

>
> Has anyone ever tried to deal with the MP laser and mirrors?
>
> Eg. a mirrored shield of some sort?
> Also using a mirror to assist aiming and aiming around corners, etc?
>
> -
Oh sure, yeah, here we go...

Binder and Greaser are trying to reach the control center for the old-folks
home in the basement. Floor is polished aluminum tile, walls are mirrored.
Along comes Steel Lynx with Gridlink-like mods and Sentry gun mounted MP
Laser. Electrified the floor, lynx doesn't use it's own batteries
(converters in the legs for good use). fired the beam at angles (SPU Math
and an SPU CAD (Cyber Aided Design) were good for this), starting pot
shotting.

Greaser goes into defensive mode, tries to put the plates of his armor more
directly into the beam (called dodge rolls were a new one to us). Binder
goes for the ceiling and stays off the floor (Greaser had the better
insulated shows, Binder had his softsoles).

Binder yanks out his enchanter's kit, pulls out a small mirror and goes for a
called reflection hit. Then, after dealing with the drone, two sentry MP's
on the door sides to the room itself were beginning their fire runs. Of
course, the control center had previously lots of time to directly aim out
the lasers, so they got none of the modifiers (jerks).

Each bank on the walls was a +2 mod (similar to the symmetry rules for CCSS
and mages). Called shots for dodge and reflection were +4's. Base dodge for
lasers is a 6 here.

I played in this one (Binder is an old character of mine, 3rd one I ever
made) and Brent (Greaser, who is the OLDEST SR character I know of). Mike
(Airwisp on the rec.games.frp.cyber) list was the gm. the rest of the group
were dealing with the Knight Errant guys on third floor while trying to reach
the little old lady who had the information in her subconscious mind that we
needed.

Wheenie the Mage cries out "I don't wanna die" on his hands and knees, with
his hands in front of him, begging or so it seemed. Party ignores the nerd
guy (looked like a hospital technician and goes for the sammie types), who is
actually "whining" and "begging" as Centering skills, who promptly
threw a
blast spell at the lot of them.

Yes, it was a game for the books..
-K


It was fun, sure it was...

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