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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:47:13 +0100
Stefan said on 19:27/19 Aug 97...

> Hehe that is funny ... I think it is on the same level of fun as the
> Microsoft Headquarter being located in Redmond .... So I guess it
> will later become the hang out of some Orc go gang :)

That's one that only works today, not when SR was created -- in 1989, MS
wasn't a really major player. Sure, they'd written MS-DOS for IBM but that
was about it as far as widespread use of their software was concerned. (I
remember using Windows 1.something on an 8086 around that time, though,
and not liking it at all :)

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Message no. 2
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:30:47 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-20 06:53:35 EDT, you write:

> > Hehe that is funny ... I think it is on the same level of fun as the
> > Microsoft Headquarter being located in Redmond .... So I guess it
> > will later become the hang out of some Orc go gang :)
>
> That's one that only works today, not when SR was created -- in 1989, MS
> wasn't a really major player. Sure, they'd written MS-DOS for IBM but that
> was about it as far as widespread use of their software was concerned. (I
> remember using Windows 1.something on an 8086 around that time, though,
> and not liking it at all :)

Two things. One, in the US at least, if you bought a PC from a store, it had
MS-DOS on it, or came with MS-DOS disks(A couple of the Tandy line actually
had it hardwired into the computer). The only exception was IBM PCs, which
used PC-DOS rarely at that point. Two, I see that not much has changed with
Windows since Win1.x then. =)

Wolfstar
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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:30:26 +0100
George Metz said on 7:30/20 Aug 97...

> Two things. One, in the US at least, if you bought a PC from a store, it had
> MS-DOS on it, or came with MS-DOS disks(A couple of the Tandy line actually
> had it hardwired into the computer). The only exception was IBM PCs, which
> used PC-DOS rarely at that point.

That's what I meant -- apart from MS-DOS/PC-DOS (basically the same thing,
AFAIK) Microsoft didn't really make much in the way of well-known
software. That only started to change a few years later with the
bug-ridden Windows 3.0 and its fixed (depending on who you talk to)
follow-up, Windows 3.1. But this was in the early 1990s, _after_ FASA
wrote up the very small bit about Microdeck, and the somewhat larger bits
that turned Redmond into a shittown.

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Message no. 4
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted) -Reply
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:46:10 -0500
> Microsoft didn't really make much in the way of
>well-known software. That only started to
>change a few years later with the bug-ridden
>Windows 3.0 and its fixed (depending on who
>you talk to) follow-up, Windows 3.1.

Not true. They were one of the biggest
producers of programing languages as well,
although they didn't have the market domination
there that they do now.

Double-Domed Mike, who was there.
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted) -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:41:09 +0100
Mike Elkins said on 16:46/20 Aug 97...

> Not true. They were one of the biggest
> producers of programing languages as well,
> although they didn't have the market domination
> there that they do now.

I didn't really know about the programming languages, but I still feel my
point stands -- not everyone uses programming languages, but everyone
uses an OS of some kind or other, which is what most people knew MS for, I
think.

> Double-Domed Mike, who was there.

I was partly there :)

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Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted) -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:17:59 +0100
|> Microsoft didn't really make much in the way of
|>well-known software. That only started to
|>change a few years later with the bug-ridden
|>Windows 3.0 and its fixed (depending on who
|>you talk to) follow-up, Windows 3.1.
|
|Not true. They were one of the biggest
|producers of programing languages as well,
|although they didn't have the market domination
|there that they do now.
|
|Double-Domed Mike, who was there.

Well, that's because even then, MS BASIC was utter crap.

At least they're maintaining some product consistency....
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Message no. 7
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:38:11 -0500
At 07:30 AM 8/20/97 -0400, George Metz wrote:
#In a message dated 97-08-20 06:53:35 EDT, you write:
#
#> > Hehe that is funny ... I think it is on the same level of fun as the
#> > Microsoft Headquarter being located in Redmond .... So I guess it
#> > will later become the hang out of some Orc go gang :)
#>
#> That's one that only works today, not when SR was created -- in 1989, MS
#> wasn't a really major player. Sure, they'd written MS-DOS for IBM but that
#> was about it as far as widespread use of their software was concerned. (I
#> remember using Windows 1.something on an 8086 around that time, though,
#> and not liking it at all :)
#
# Two things. One, in the US at least, if you bought a PC from a store, it had
#MS-DOS on it, or came with MS-DOS disks(A couple of the Tandy line actually
#had it hardwired into the computer). The only exception was IBM PCs, which
#used PC-DOS rarely at that point. Two, I see that not much has changed with
#Windows since Win1.x then. =)
#
back then no one really cared what DOS you were using.
Hell, the Amiga computers ran Microsoft Basic

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Message no. 8
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted) -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:37:36 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 08:19:51 EDT, you write:

> |Not true. They were one of the biggest
> |producers of programing languages as well,
> |although they didn't have the market domination
> |there that they do now.
> |
> |Double-Domed Mike, who was there.
>
> Well, that's because even then, MS BASIC was utter crap.
>
> At least they're maintaining some product consistency....

Actually, according to one of my friends, Visual BASIC 5.0 is getting used
alot in programming Win95 apps and the like. Of course, this could be a mian
reason why Win95 is so damned buggy.... =)

Wolfstar
Message no. 9
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:56:26 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-22 13:18:43 EDT, you write:

> # Two things. One, in the US at least, if you bought a PC from a store, it
had
> #MS-DOS on it, or came with MS-DOS disks(A couple of the Tandy line
actually
> #had it hardwired into the computer). The only exception was IBM PCs,
which
> #used PC-DOS rarely at that point. Two, I see that not much has changed
with
> #Windows since Win1.x then. =)
> #
> back then no one really cared what DOS you were using.
> Hell, the Amiga computers ran Microsoft Basic

Well, that's the problem. Maybe if we HAD cared, we wouldn't be saddled with
Win95! (Or even better, go back in time and stop Microsoft from buying CP/M,
and maybe we'd all be using UNIX. =) )

Wolfstar, who LIKES Basic....
Message no. 10
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: MS HQ (was Re: Dunklezahn's Will, revisted)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:33:24 +0000
> #> > Hehe that is funny ... I think it is on the same level of fun as the
> #> > Microsoft Headquarter being located in Redmond .... So I guess it
> #> > will later become the hang out of some Orc go gang :)
> #>
> #> That's one that only works today, not when SR was created -- in 1989, MS
> #> wasn't a really major player. Sure, they'd written MS-DOS for IBM but that
> #> was about it as far as widespread use of their software was concerned. (I
> #> remember using Windows 1.something on an 8086 around that time, though,
> #> and not liking it at all :)
> #
> # Two things. One, in the US at least, if you bought a PC from a store, it had
> #MS-DOS on it, or came with MS-DOS disks(A couple of the Tandy line actually
> #had it hardwired into the computer). The only exception was IBM PCs, which
> #used PC-DOS rarely at that point. Two, I see that not much has changed with
> #Windows since Win1.x then. =)
> #
> back then no one really cared what DOS you were using.
> Hell, the Amiga computers ran Microsoft Basic
>
> ;)

I remember that ... and boy was it SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW .... :)
Thank god they were not allowed to write any more Amiga programs ...

/Stefan ...


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