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Message no. 1
From: LISETTE M THERIOT <psy_lmt@***.LAMAR.EDU>
Subject: Munchkin?
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:40:23 -0600
My dad has a charectar, a rigger, he wants to be blind. the thing is, he
wants to have something he rigs into, a headband, that gives him 360 degree
vision in regular, lowlight, thermo, flare comp, smartlink, ultrasound sight,
the whole shmo. He says he cant use cybereyes because there was nerve damage
. Now this is the first thi8ng he's ever done that remotely munchkin, so I
kinda willing to let him use it. What's yall's oppinion?
Message no. 2
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Munchkin?
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 15:55:21 -0500
>>>>> "LISETTE" == LISETTE M THERIOT
<psy_lmt@***.LAMAR.EDU> writes:

LISETTE> My dad has a charectar, a rigger, he wants to be blind. the thing
LISETTE> is, he wants to have something he rigs into, a headband, that
LISETTE> gives him 360 degree vision in regular, lowlight, thermo, flare
LISETTE> comp, smartlink, ultrasound sight, the whole shmo.

Based on my opinion of how rigging works, it won't work. Rigging doesn't
replace your existing senses, it just adds to them.

LISETTE> He says he cant use cybereyes because there was nerve damage.

Ummm... if he can rig into a visor he can use cybereyes or something
similar.

LISETTE> Now this is the first thi8ng he's ever done that remotely
LISETTE> munchkin, so I kinda willing to let him use it. What's yall's
LISETTE> oppinion?

Not munchkin, just not very well thought through.

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Message no. 3
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Munchkin?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:17:23 +0930
LISETTE M THERIOT wrote:
>
> My dad has a charectar, a rigger, he wants to be blind. the thing is, he
> wants to have something he rigs into, a headband, that gives him 360 degree
> vision in regular, lowlight, thermo, flare comp, smartlink, ultrasound sight,
> the whole shmo. He says he cant use cybereyes because there was nerve damage
> . Now this is the first thi8ng he's ever done that remotely munchkin, so I
> kinda willing to let him use it. What's yall's oppinion?

If he can't use cybereyes, then his visual cortex is damaged. If that's the
case, he couldn't use anything that gives him sight... his wetware can't
handle it.

If he could use cybereyes, then he could do this... not with full 360
sight, but with the normal 30 degree "focus" area, and 330 degree
peripheral vision.

OTH... he could have ultrasound built into his ears.

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Message no. 4
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Munchkin?
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:02:29 +0100
> My dad has a charectar, a rigger, he wants to be blind. the thing is, he
> wants to have something he rigs into, a headband, that gives him 360 degree
> vision in regular, lowlight, thermo, flare comp, smartlink, ultrasound sight,
> the whole shmo. He says he cant use cybereyes because there was nerve damage
> . Now this is the first thi8ng he's ever done that remotely munchkin, so I
> kinda willing to let him use it. What's yall's oppinion?

Kinda like Geordi's V.I.S.O.R. :) I'd say its ok only that t'would be a
bitch to make out details when you have all those colours messing up the
image. Give him some penalties when doing precision work (like trying to
figure out if that dude is a hostile ganger or his buddy :)

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Message no. 5
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:41:55 -0600
What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The earliest
reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a poster
called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."

A Scoot? C'mon, please.




-Thomas Deeny
telltale.hart.org

"He weeps for he has one small tongue with which to taste the world."
Message no. 6
From: "Fisher, Victor" <Victor-Fisher@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:57:40 -0500
>Faux Pas said:
>What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The earliest
>reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a poster
>called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>
>A Scoot? C'mon, please.


Ditto. Where did all this 'munchy' stuff come from anyway? <runs under
desk to avoid flaming. :-p>

Kohl
Message no. 7
From: TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:20:51 -0500
You wrote:
> >Faux Pas said:
> >What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The
earliest
> >reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a poster
> >called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
> >
> >A Scoot? C'mon, please.


> Ditto. Where did all this 'munchy' stuff come from anyway? <runs under
> desk to avoid flaming. :-p>

The only place that I have seen a description of the term Munchkin, in
relation to gaming is at a great webpage that describes the different types of
Roleplayers. That page describes the origins coming from a term that hackers
use for people that try to act like the real thing without having any of the
real ability. This is a major paraphrase, but it is pretty close to the meaning
of the description. If you're in the mood for some good jokes about RPing, the
site's at:
www-cui.darmstadt.gmd.de/~stenger/Personal/RPG/Munchkin/

-The Immortal Mental
Message no. 8
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:57:04 -0700
> >Faux Pas said:
> >What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The
earliest
> >reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a
poster
> >called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
> >
> >A Scoot? C'mon, please.
>
>
> Ditto. Where did all this 'munchy' stuff come from anyway? <runs under
> desk to avoid flaming. :-p>

he first time I remember seeing the term Munchkin used was in a humor list
outlining the four types of gamers...I may have seen it before that but I
don't really recall.

-Caric

"One cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."
-Albert Einstein
Message no. 9
From: Angel Ramos y David Fayes <hansa@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 03:21:35 -0500
At 01:20 PM 03/20/97 -0500, the imortal mental wrote:


> . If you're in the mood for some good jokes about RPing, the
>site's at:
> www-cui.darmstadt.gmd.de/~stenger/Personal/RPG/Munchkin/
>

Hey, I'just tried it but it said it is no longer availabe at that site.
Do you have any update?

I'd appreciate it

The Elven Mage
Message no. 10
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:08:27 -0600
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU wrote:
>
> The only place that I have seen a description of the term Munchkin, in
> relation to gaming is at a great webpage that describes the different types of
> Roleplayers. That page describes the origins coming from a term that hackers
> use for people that try to act like the real thing without having any of the
> real ability. This is a major paraphrase, but it is pretty close to the meaning
> of the description.

It is a nice site. his is one of the more comprehensive Real Men, Real
Roleplayers, Loonies, and Munchkin lists i have found. His munchkin
definition comes straight out of the New Hackers Dictionary but is probaly
close to the truth. Early RPGs and Hackerdom seemed to have
cross-pollentated to some extent. i mean look at all the great rpgs
avalible on mainfraims back in the late seventies....

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 11
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:10:43 +0000
|he first time I remember seeing the term Munchkin used was in a humor list
|outlining the four types of gamers...I may have seen it before that but I
|don't really recall.

Ahhh, the world famous "Real Men, Real Roleplayers, Munchkins and
Loonies"...

I've got the Earthdawn equivalent of that...

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Message no. 12
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:12:10 -0800
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote:

> What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The earliest
> reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a poster
> called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>
> A Scoot? C'mon, please.
>

I think that was a reference to those little fraggers in the PAofNA
book... (i.e. you'd have to be *be* one to fit in...)

~Tim (beign obtuse)
Message no. 13
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:11:38 -0700
> Ahhh, the world famous "Real Men, Real Roleplayers, Munchkins and
> Loonies"...
>
> I've got the Earthdawn equivalent of that...

I'd love to see a copy of that if it's available Spike.

-Caric

caric@*******.com

"One cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."
-Albert Einstein
Message no. 14
From: The Dark Prophet <calisto@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:37:04 -0700
At 12:57 PM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Faux Pas said:
>>What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The
earliest
>>reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a poster
>>called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>>
>>A Scoot? C'mon, please.
>
>
>Ditto. Where did all this 'munchy' stuff come from anyway? <runs under
>desk to avoid flaming. :-p>
>
>Kohl
>

The one reference to that term I remember is something to the effect of a
gamer who tries to squeeze every bit of power into his character as quickly
as possible so as to overpower everything in the game, take control of
everything, rule everything, etc. ad nasium. GMs love to mess with these
guys... 8-)

-Michael

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Message no. 15
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:08:39 +0000
|
|> Ahhh, the world famous "Real Men, Real Roleplayers, Munchkins and
|> Loonies"...
|>
|> I've got the Earthdawn equivalent of that...
|
|I'd love to see a copy of that if it's available Spike.

It's in the post....
(So to speak...)

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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 16
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:14:53 -0600
On 03:21 AM 3/15/97 -0500, Angel Ramos y David Fayes screamed at the world:
>At 01:20 PM 03/20/97 -0500, the imortal mental wrote:
>
>
>> . If you're in the mood for some good jokes about RPing, the
>>site's at:
>> www-cui.darmstadt.gmd.de/~stenger/Personal/RPG/Munchkin/
>>
>
>Hey, I'just tried it but it said it is no longer availabe at that site.
>Do you have any update?

try

www-cui.darmstadt.gmd.de/~stenger/Personal/rpg/Munchkin/

or

www-cui.darmstadt.gmd.de/~stenger/Personal/Rpg/Munchkin/

when you get a 404 from a long URL like the above, try going to the first
bit (the www-cui.darmstadt.gmd.de/~stenger part) and see if the user's
directory structure has changed.


Thomas Deeny
Infobahn Austin
512 320 0556
Message no. 17
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:17:25 -0600
On 12:37 PM 3/20/97 -0700, The Dark Prophet screamed at the world:
>The one reference to that term I remember is something to the effect of a
>gamer who tries to squeeze every bit of power into his character as quickly
>as possible so as to overpower everything in the game, take control of
>everything, rule everything, etc. ad nasium. GMs love to mess with these
>guys... 8-)
>

Well yeah, but where did it change from the members of the Lollipop Guild
to shadowrunners with more chrome than personality?


-Thomas Deeny
telltale.hart.org

"He weeps for he has one small tongue with which to taste the world."
Message no. 18
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:33:50 +0000
On 20 Mar 97 at 14:14, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote:

>> I'just tried it but it said it is no longer availabe at that site.
>>Do you have any update?
>
> try
> www-cui.darmstadt.gmd.de/~stenger/Personal/Rpg/Munchkin/
>


I just checked. That is the correct URL. Case sensitive, folks.


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Message no. 19
From: Angel Ramos y David Fayes <hansa@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:59:51 -0500
At 12:57 PM 03/20/97 -0500, Kohl wrote:
>>Faux Pas said:
>>What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The
earliest
>>reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a poster
>>called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>>A Scoot? C'mon, please.>
>Ditto. Where did all this 'munchy' stuff come from anyway? <runs under
>desk to avoid flaming. :-p>

I will not hide ('cause I'm too far away for your flaming, anyway) (just kidding guys) 8-)
but I also would like to know more about this "munchkin" term.

Thanks for all your patience and not flaming

ARRT
The elven mage
David Fayes & Angel Ramos
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Message no. 20
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:19:39 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:41:55 -0600 "Faux Pas (Thomas)"
<thomas@*******.COM> writes:
>What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The
>earliest
>reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a
>poster
>called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>
>A Scoot? C'mon, please.
>
>

Not having the RBB, I couldn't say, but I'd guess that the Scoot is a
really small car, in which case 'munchkin' means what it meant in the
Wizard of Oz:)


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Message no. 21
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:35:48 -0600
On 10:19 PM 3/20/97 EST, L Canthros screamed at the world:
>>called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>
>Not having the RBB, I couldn't say, but I'd guess that the Scoot is a
>really small car, in which case 'munchkin' means what it meant in the
>Wizard of Oz:)
>

The Dodge Scoot is the smallest motorcycle.


Thomas Deeny
Infobahn Austin
512 320 0556
Message no. 22
From: David Mark Woods <david.w@****.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:56:08 +0000
>At 12:57 PM 03/20/97 -0500, Kohl wrote:
>>>Faux Pas said:
>>>What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The
earliest
>>>reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a poster
>>>called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>>>A Scoot? C'mon, please.>
>>Ditto. Where did all this 'munchy' stuff come from anyway? <runs under
>>desk to avoid flaming. :-p
>
>I will not hide ('cause I'm too far away for your flaming, anyway) (just >kidding
guys) 8-)
>but I also would like to know more about this "munchkin" term.
>
>Thanks for all your patience and not flaming

The term comes from the film "The Wizard od Oz".

They were small, annoying and marched about, singing "The wicked witch
is dead."

In roleplaying the term refers to an immature person; who only wishes to
march about the game world slaying Dragons/Witches with one blow and
taking their treasure. In SR the munchkin will wish to wear Heavy
Military Armour and a Panther Assault Cannon. He will become confused
and upset when his character cannot find these items.

Should he even come into posession of the above, he will expect to be
able to walk in public wearing them. The more intelligent munchkin may
take the precaution of wearing a secure long coat for concealment
proposes. He will become confused and upset when his character dies from
multiple Anti-personnel missiles. He will accuse the GM of unfairness.

Munchkins may mature into Powergamers in the correct environment. From
Powergamer they may progress to even higher forms of life, but this is
in no way guaranteed.

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Message no. 23
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:17:25 EST
On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:35:48 -0600 "Faux Pas (Thomas)"
<thomas@*******.COM> writes:
>On 10:19 PM 3/20/97 EST, L Canthros screamed at the world:
>>>called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>>
>>Not having the RBB, I couldn't say, but I'd guess that the Scoot is a
>>really small car, in which case 'munchkin' means what it meant in the
>>Wizard of Oz:)
>>
>
>The Dodge Scoot is the smallest motorcycle.
>
>

I'll take that as affirmation of my original assumptions:)


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Message no. 24
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:33:16 +0000
In article <33325B38.2E77@****.co.uk>, David Mark Woods
<david.w@****.co.uk> writes

<snip of amusing munchkin talk>

>Munchkins may mature into Powergamers in the correct environment. From
>Powergamer they may progress to even higher forms of life, but this is
>in no way guaranteed.

So David, are you saying here that "PowerGamers" are in fact Munchkins
with a licence, or simply too old to be labelled as Munchkin, therefore
accepting what a different label meaning the same thing?


--
Avenger
Message no. 25
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:06:42 -0500
At 11:41 AM 3/20/97 -0600, Faux Pas (Thomas) wrote these timeless words:
>What are the origins of "Munchkin" in terms of RPGing anyway? The earliest
>reference I've found (related to Shadowrun) was in the RBB, when a poster
>called the Dodge Scoot "For munchkins only."
>
>A Scoot? C'mon, please.
>
I think that was refering to munchkins as "little people", like the
Munchkins from "The Wizard of Oz"... As in, this is a little bike that
should only be ridden by little people...

No clue where the Term Munchkin as it refers to bad RPGers came from...

Bull
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Message no. 26
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:27:06 EST
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:06:42 -0500 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>I think that was refering to munchkins as "little people", like the
>Munchkins from "The Wizard of Oz"... As in, this is a little bike
>that
>should only be ridden by little people...
>
>No clue where the Term Munchkin as it refers to bad RPGers came
>from...
>
-----------
In the companion, it says that munchkins are also known as "Monty
Hualers". I have no clue as to where this, or munchkins would come from.
Apparently nobody else does either, maybe the term something the people
at FASA made up, what about it FASAMike :-)


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Message no. 27
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin -Reply
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:01:14 -0500
>In the companion, it says that munchkins are also known as "Monty
>Hualers". I have no clue as to where this, or munchkins would come from.

Munchkins originally was applied to the gamers in their early teens who would
show up for turnaments with AD&D characters with "x5 swords" etc. They were
shorter than regular gamers and VERY anoying, so muchkins fit well. Eventually
it was discovered that age is not a guaranteed cure for Munchkinism, and the
term is now applied to qualifying gamers of any age and height.

A Monty Haul adventure is a typical D&D dungeon crawl. It is named after a
game show host, IIRC. "And now, behind door number three, 11 orcs and
320gp!" "And now, behind door number four, 4 hobgoblins and a magic
sword!",
"And now, behind door number 27, 1 ogre and 500gp!"

Neither term's origins has anything to do with FASA.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 28
From: Eric Hall <esh7695@******.SDSMT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:17:56 +0000
Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM> wrote...

> In the companion, it says that munchkins are also known as "Monty
> Hualers". I have no clue as to where this, or munchkins would come from.
> Apparently nobody else does either, maybe the term something the people
> at FASA made up, what about it FASAMike :-)

I remember the term Monty Haulers being used in the Forum section of
Dragon Magazine many years ago (around issue 60 or 70). The term comes
from the old game show hosted by Monty Hall (sorry, I'm not old enough to
remeber the show ;-). IIRC, Monty Haulers are more akin to powergamers
than munchkins, they don't necessarily bend the rules for every advantage
and may even ROLE-play a little, but they still end up with the biggest
and badest toys.

Rone
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Message no. 29
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:20:10 -0600
> In the companion, it says that munchkins are also known as "Monty
> Hualers". I have no clue as to where this, or munchkins would come from.
> Apparently nobody else does either, maybe the term something the people
> at FASA made up, what about it FASAMike :-)

Monty Hall is the former host of a US game show called 'Let's Make a Deal!'
In the show, he gave away lots of things to people who did nothing to
deserve it. That all acted childish and silly and wore 70's fashions.

Monty Hallers are people who only play with a GM who give them stuff for
free or with little effort on their part.

Gossamer
Message no. 30
From: Ted Cabeen <cabeen@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin -Reply
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:30:22 -0600
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At 05:01 PM 3/21/97 -0500, Mike Elkins wrote:
>>In the companion, it says that munchkins are also known as "Monty
>>Hualers". I have no clue as to where this, or munchkins would come from.
>A Monty Haul adventure is a typical D&D dungeon crawl. It is named after a
>game show host, IIRC. "And now, behind door number three, 11 orcs and
>320gp!" "And now, behind door number four, 4 hobgoblins and a magic
sword!",
>"And now, behind door number 27, 1 ogre and 500gp!"

Actually, A Monty Haul adventure is not a typical dungeon crawl. Monty Haul
uaually described the GM who gives the characters way too much treasure and
magical items for the monsters that they are fighting. The term does come
from a game show host, Monty Hall, host of Let's Make a Deal. The term was
used because characters with such a GM usually came out of the dungeon with
more treasure than expected, and had quite a large "haul" of treasure that
didn't fit their level, just like when you win on Let's Make a Deal. There's
something in one of the **&* main books, but I'm not sure which one. And
that's your bit of RPG history for the day. ;)

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Message no. 31
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:09:08 -0500
At 04:27 PM 3/21/97 EST, Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote these timeless words:

>In the companion, it says that munchkins are also known as "Monty
>Hualers". I have no clue as to where this, or munchkins would come from.
> Apparently nobody else does either, maybe the term something the people
>at FASA made up, what about it FASAMike :-)
>
Monty Haul was the stage name of the host of a game show from the 70's and
80's called "Let's Make a Deal".

Contestants would guess which door, out of three held the best loot. One
door had nothing (Well, usually a bunmch of pigs wallowing in mud or
something), a second had some little "token" prize, while the third held
the mega-bucks or the car or whatever...

Moty Haul games refer to games where you pick up lots of loot with no or
minimul effort. tehse games are often played by botrh the Munchkin and the
Powergamer...

Bull
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Message no. 32
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:36:41 -0500
> Moty Haul games refer to games where you pick up lots of loot with no or
> minimul effort. tehse games are often played by botrh the Munchkin and
the
> Powergamer...

And Orc Deckers! :-)

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Message no. 33
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 01:09:14 -0500
At 09:36 PM 3/21/97 -0500, Steven A. Tinner wrote these timeless words:
>> Moty Haul games refer to games where you pick up lots of loot with no or
>> minimul effort. tehse games are often played by botrh the Munchkin and
>the
>> Powergamer...
>
>And Orc Deckers! :-)
>
It's only minimul effort because I'm GOOD! :]

That and I'm too damn powerful now for my own good... Well, taht's why
we're going pirating! Something new! :)

Bull
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Message no. 34
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Munchkin
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:20:46 -0800
>Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:17:56 +0000
>From: Eric Hall

>Gweedo The Killer Pimp wrote...
>
>> In the companion, it says that munchkins are also
known as "Monty
>> Hualers". I have no clue as to where this, or
munchkins would come from.
>> Apparently nobody else does either, maybe the
term something the people
>> at FASA made up, what about it FASAMike :-)
>
>I remember the term Monty Haulers being used in the
Forum section of
>Dragon Magazine many years ago (around issue 60 or
70). The term comes
>from the old game show hosted by Monty Hall (sorry,
I'm not old enough to
>remeber the show ;-).
<snip>

"Let's Make a Deal"

God, I feel old sometimes. :)

Shawn
Yeah, so I watched that stupid show. At least I
didn't dress up like a grape or milk carton and sit
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Message no. 35
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Munchkin?
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:35:30 -0600
Tyrell Hughes wrote:
|
| I AM NOT A MUNCHIKIN.my Game master is a sadistic Sonafabitch who likes
| finding new wayes to kill my shamans.

Hey, let's give Tyrell a little credit before we begin trashing him.
Maybe his GM runs a fun game (well, fun for Tyrell anyway) so that
Tyrell doesn't mind losing characters. Untill Tyrell plays in your
game you don't know if he's a munchkin or not.

Tyrell, how do you enjoy losing a character every four sessions?

-David
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Message no. 36
From: Tyrell Hughes <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Munchkin?
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:16:50 -0500
David Buehrer wrote:
>
> Tyrell Hughes wrote:
> |
> | I AM NOT A MUNCHIKIN.my Game master is a sadistic Sonafabitch who likes
> | finding new wayes to kill my shamans.
>
> Hey, let's give Tyrell a little credit before we begin trashing him.
> Maybe his GM runs a fun game (well, fun for Tyrell anyway) so that
> Tyrell doesn't mind losing characters. Untill Tyrell plays in your
> game you don't know if he's a munchkin or not.
>
> Tyrell, how do you enjoy losing a character every four sessions?
>

i dont, but now that I have SrII I am now Gm And the old one got voted
out by the entire group.
Message no. 37
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Munchkin?
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:30:32 -0600
Tyrell Hughes wrote:
|
| > Tyrell, how do you enjoy losing a character every four sessions?
|
| i dont, but now that I have SrII I am now Gm And the old one got voted
| out by the entire group.

Excellent. Remember, the goal is for everyone to have fun.

Now, if you would just learn how to type ;)

-David
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