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Message no. 1
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mundane Astral Perception (Attn. Steve Kenson,
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:40:16 -0400
> Not in my opinion. :) He's still using the same senses to perceive,
thus
> he can shift his astral point of view however he likes...in the astral,
> IMO, you perceive with your aura. Unlike your eyes, your aura surrounds
> your entire being, it doesn't have a fixed field of vision. You can
shift
> your perception around from one part of the astral to another without
> moving your phsyical eyes, because you don't perceive with your eyes on
the
> astral (which is why a physically blind person is still allowed to
astrally
> perceive, if applicable).

I'm not sure where you get the notion that your astral LOS is movable.
Especially while simply astrally perceiving, if you could simply surround
yourself with your aura, then no one would ever have to make a perception
test in the astral, and you could never be snuck up on.
Not a rule I'm comfortable with personally.
For that matter, it would make astrally perc. mages immpossible to surprise
on the material plane!
Not good IMO.

Also, how would this little concept work when applied to a dual critter
like a ghoul?
Dual critters are ALWAYS astrally perc., do they have this special 360
perception then as well?
AFAIK an assensing mage is treated just like a dual critter, except even
more restricted, as he suffers a modifier for taking actions in the
material world as well as the astral.

I guess this kind of brings me full circle to a point in my FAB aregument
from a year ago on this list.
A wizards aura is NOT a malleable object, and CANNOT be shaped to fit the
circumstances.
AFAIK you cannot adjust your LOS to whereever you like, otherwise, mages
would always have LOS for casting spells, etc.

Maybe Steve Kenson can speak to this as well?
Message no. 2
From: Bruce <gyro@********.CO.ZA>
Subject: Re: Mundane Astral Perception (Attn. Steve Kenson,
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:08:10 +0200
At 12:40 AM 01-08-97 -0400, you (Mr Tinner : EGM) wrote:

>I guess this kind of brings me full circle to a point in my FAB aregument
>from a year ago on this list.
>A wizards aura is NOT a malleable object, and CANNOT be shaped to fit the
>circumstances.
>AFAIK you cannot adjust your LOS to whereever you like, otherwise, mages
>would always have LOS for casting spells, etc.
>
>Maybe Steve Kenson can speak to this as well?

Is it a mages aura that is projected onto the astral? I dont recall whether
a meatbod minus now astral mage has an aura. Will someone please fill me in
about this?

Thanks
BRUCE
Arcanum Majoris - Big Magic! :)
Free your mind and the rest will follow!
Message no. 3
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mundane Astral Perception (Attn. Steve Kenson,
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:54:33 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-01 12:54:09 EDT, you write:

> Is it a mages aura that is projected onto the astral? I dont recall whether
> a meatbod minus now astral mage has an aura. Will someone please fill me
in
> about this?

It doesn't, because it mentions under Masking in Grimmie2 that it isn't
possible to mask while projecting, because a mundane aura without a meatbody
attached is almost unheard of.

Wolfstar
Message no. 4
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mundane Astral Perception (Attn. Steve Kenson,
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:33:08 EDT
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:54:33 -0400 George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 97-08-01 12:54:09 EDT, you write:
>
>> Is it a mages aura that is projected onto the astral? I dont recall
whether
>> a meatbod minus now astral mage has an aura. Will someone please fill
me in
>> about this?
>
> It doesn't, because it mentions under Masking in Grimmie2 that it isn't
>possible to mask while projecting, because a mundane aura without a
meatbody
>attached is almost unheard of.

Are you sure about that? I thought there were no such stipulations, and
it just mentioned that an astrally projecting body with a mundane aura
would just be, well.. *obvious*. Same thing with giving yourself a
Mundane aura and then being caught using astral percption... the viewer
would just know that something was up.

~Tim
Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Mundane Astral Perception (Attn. Steve Kenson,
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 17:36:39 +0100
|
|In a message dated 97-08-01 12:54:09 EDT, you write:
|
|> Is it a mages aura that is projected onto the astral? I dont recall whether
|> a meatbod minus now astral mage has an aura. Will someone please fill me
|in
|> about this?
|
| It doesn't, because it mentions under Masking in Grimmie2 that it isn't
|possible to mask while projecting, because a mundane aura without a meatbody
|attached is almost unheard of.

Small correction...
It *IS* possible to mask whilst projecting, but initiates never *BOTHER* to
mask as mundane when they do... Unless they're wacky...

Thay can still mask as non-initiates after all....
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Message no. 6
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Mundane Astral Perception (Attn. Steve Kenson,
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:10:20 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-02 01:34:19 EDT, you write:

> > It doesn't, because it mentions under Masking in Grimmie2 that it isn't
> >possible to mask while projecting, because a mundane aura without a
> meatbody
> >attached is almost unheard of.
>
> Are you sure about that? I thought there were no such stipulations, and
> it just mentioned that an astrally projecting body with a mundane aura
> would just be, well.. *obvious*. Same thing with giving yourself a
> Mundane aura and then being caught using astral percption... the viewer
> would just know that something was up.

Page 46, Grimoire II, Left side, third bullet. "....The initiate can,
however, choose to make his astral body look like a normal magician's instead
of an initiate's." That's the best they can do.

Wolfstar
Message no. 7
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Mundane Astral Perception (Attn. Steve Kenson,
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 00:59:46 EDT
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:54:33 -0400 George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM> writes:

> It doesn't, because it mentions under Masking in Grimmie2 that it
>isn't
>possible to mask while projecting, because a mundane aura without a
>meatbody
>attached is almost unheard of.


Actually, I believe it said that it was uncommon to mask one's aura this
way while projecting, because a mundane aura without a meatbod attached
looks ... odd (but it apparently can happen).

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-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
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