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Message no. 1
From: Wafflemeisters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Mutilation and Implantation-Attitudes?
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:04:46 -0500
> >Do you really think mutilation is gonna get you very far as an
> >interrogation technique in SR, at least with anybody who really has
> >something worth hiding? Sure, your punk on the street is scared, but
> >he's a pushover anyhow.
>
> It makes for much more... interesting roleplaying sequences. Yeah,
> you could just make an intimidation roll and get the info but some
> of us are sadistic bastards who like to make (N)PCs squirm. :-)

PAIN will make peole spill thier guts. Its a proven fact. Mutilation
is completely unneeded. If my character can kill somebody in a
nanosecond, I see no need to disfigure them (unless he's praticing
plastic surgery , putting "points" on A-2000 goons<g>). And vice vesra-
I'll have my character SURRENDER when beaten, and cooperate or choose to
die. "Making someone squirm" is rather pointless- useful torture is a
trained skill.

> >
> > Maybe I'm just a little less "anxious" than most, but I can't see
> >this bothering any character whose already had his entire reflex and
> >endochrinal system re-done.
>
> I wouldn't want to have my hand removed even if I knew I could get
> it replaced - it just wouldn't be *mine*. Getting your reflexes
> rewired is different - it's an improvement, not a replacement.
> Besides, psycho combat gods are pretty tough to intimidate anyhow.
> Mind Probe is much easier. Not as much fun, but easier. :-)
>

Those "improvements" have some big side effects. The "cornholio"
efefct, for suprathyriods, plus hot skin. Wired reflexes- well, male
sexual response is strongly tied to the flight or fight reflex (I assume
most samuria take libido inhibitors).
If pain were not a factor, the cost of repairing mutilation VS the cost
of divulging information would be the only factor, to me
(philosophically, at least- I might very well freak in reality). If
offered $100,000 to sever and re-attach a finger (which can be done
pretty well today), I might well do it.. maybe I'm weird that way.
There is nothing WRONG with my body, but I only see it as one of my
possesions....
I honestly don't think I'd care one bit about replacing a body part
like a hand with afunctionally equivalent or supperior one (unlikey to
be possible, though). OTOH, I'm kinda squeamish about my immune system
and eyes, not liking to take antibiotic drugs or consider eye surgery,
so this could be the rankest hipocrisy. I justify it as not having much
faith in doctors to mess with something I consider REAL immportant (and
I'm learning to accept blindness as a lifestyle, just not chronic
illness). I WOULD sell a kidney, if the price was good.

-Mongoose
Message no. 2
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Mutilation and Implantation-Attitudes?
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:21:09 -0400
Mongoose wrote:
>> >Do you really think mutilation is gonna get you very far as an
>> >interrogation technique in SR, at least with anybody who really has
>> >something worth hiding? Sure, your punk on the street is scared, but
>> >he's a pushover anyhow.
>>
>> It makes for much more... interesting roleplaying sequences. Yeah,
>> you could just make an intimidation roll and get the info but some
>> of us are sadistic bastards who like to make (N)PCs squirm. :-)
>
>PAIN will make peole spill thier guts. Its a proven fact. Mutilation
>is completely unneeded. If my character can kill somebody in a
>nanosecond, I see no need to disfigure them (unless he's praticing
>plastic surgery , putting "points" on A-2000 goons<g>). And vice
vesra-
>I'll have my character SURRENDER when beaten, and cooperate or choose to
>die. "Making someone squirm" is rather pointless- useful torture is a
>trained skill.

I disagree. Sure, pain is nice, but a scream is a scream - you get
tired of it. Not to mention how easy it is in SR to totally ignore
pain. Pain Resistance, Low Pain Tolerance, Pain Editor, that spell
I forget the name of... So this won't hurt them, but it will make
them worry (most men at least are squeamish on the subject). Sure,
pain is useful against gumbies, but so is Castrate.

>> > Maybe I'm just a little less "anxious" than most, but I can't
see
>> >this bothering any character whose already had his entire reflex and
>> >endochrinal system re-done.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to have my hand removed even if I knew I could get
>> it replaced - it just wouldn't be *mine*. Getting your reflexes
>> rewired is different - it's an improvement, not a replacement.
>> Besides, psycho combat gods are pretty tough to intimidate anyhow.
>> Mind Probe is much easier. Not as much fun, but easier. :-)
>>
>
>Those "improvements" have some big side effects. The "cornholio"
>efefct, for suprathyriods, plus hot skin. Wired reflexes- well, male
>sexual response is strongly tied to the flight or fight reflex (I assume
>most samuria take libido inhibitors).

Huh? Wired Reflexes doesn't *strengthen* anything, it just speeds it
up. I don't see what you're getting at.

>If pain were not a factor, the cost of repairing mutilation VS the cost
>of divulging information would be the only factor, to me
>(philosophically, at least- I might very well freak in reality). If
>offered $100,000 to sever and re-attach a finger (which can be done
>pretty well today), I might well do it.. maybe I'm weird that way.

Well, I wouldn't do it. But then, I can be pretty odd on my own...

>There is nothing WRONG with my body, but I only see it as one of my
>possesions....

Ah. Well, I'm very picky about my possessions. My books are in as
good a condition as I can keep them, I sharpen my knives regularly,
and am constantly upgrading my PC. Seeing my body as my most
important possession...

>I honestly don't think I'd care one bit about replacing a body part
>like a hand with afunctionally equivalent or supperior one (unlikey to
>be possible, though). OTOH, I'm kinda squeamish about my immune system
>and eyes, not liking to take antibiotic drugs or consider eye surgery,
>so this could be the rankest hipocrisy. I justify it as not having much

Well, I just ignore sickness and it doesn't bother me except on rare
occasions. In Kindergarten my teacher just about threw a fit when I
told her I wasn't going to get the Chicken Pox that was going around.
I was right. :-)

>faith in doctors to mess with something I consider REAL immportant (and
>I'm learning to accept blindness as a lifestyle, just not chronic
>illness). I WOULD sell a kidney, if the price was good.

I like my body the way it is, thanks. Seeing as my mother was an
Emergency ward nurse, I've heard far too many stories over dinner to
trust doctors. I've never liked needles either, but a glucose
tolerance test put me over *that* one pretty quick... :-P

James Ojaste

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