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Message no. 1
From: Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: my questions III
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 14:22:18 -0500
Well here i am again, enjoy, comment, trash,.....


SRII.130,145&149

Taking into account that :
"Astral is usually bright no matter what the time of day on
the physical plane" and the spells are cast (combat, not
damaging manipulation) by opening partially to the astral
plane. Are target modifiers for spells taking into account
the light modifiers ?

Yes
*No (only the mist, smoke, fog and rain modifiers)

SRII.132 Noticing spellcasting

What are we notivcing there ?
A)Movements, mumbling and stange signs in the air.
B)Visible energy
*C)Both of these

SRII.133 Restricted use spells

Are these restrictions modifing the force of the spell
only for the number of dices rolled or for the resisting target
number and astral force too ?

*Yes (all of these are modified)
No (only the number of dices)

SRII.135 Ritual sorcery

What is the limit of the force of the spell send by a ritual
team.

A)Only preparation (the circle, and time)
B)The one who know it at the highest force
C)The one who know it at the lowest force
*D)The force at wich the leader know the spell

(yes i finally found a way to import these into my text directly with the
open text file, copy and paste command, and finally got my signature (saved
it on a 3.5 disk got to load it each time, beat getting to type it each time
! (I ll work on my sig later)).

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Message no. 2
From: Andrew <wadycki@********.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: my questions III
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:07:40 -0600
On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, Vincent Pellerin wrote:

> Well here i am again, enjoy, comment, trash,.....
>
>
> SRII.130,145&149
>
> Taking into account that :
> "Astral is usually bright no matter what the time of day on
> the physical plane" and the spells are cast (combat, not
> damaging manipulation) by opening partially to the astral
> plane. Are target modifiers for spells taking into account
> the light modifiers ?
>
> Yes

But there is a +2 for precieving.

> SRII.132 Noticing spellcasting
>
> What are we notivcing there ?
> *C)Both of these
but if you have a geas, it is obvious

> SRII.133 Restricted use spells
>
> Are these restrictions modifing the force of the spell
> only for the number of dices rolled or for the resisting target
> number and astral force too ?
> *Yes (all of these are modified)

> SRII.135 Ritual sorcery
>
> What is the limit of the force of the spell send by a ritual
> team.
>
> *D)The force at wich the leader know the spell

I think those are the right choices.
-Andrew
Message no. 3
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: my questions III
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:14:01 -0300
These opinions are my own, and are not necessarily correct, they just feel
right;


1) Visual TNo's for spells (Combat not DM's)
Yep, they do apply.

2) Noticing spell-casting
Both as far as I'm concerned, the books all mention somatics and verbals,
and I like the idea of ionised air, or green bolts of energy flowing
through the air.
Note that here's another disadvantage for DM's, the guy with the flame
coming out of his hands _must_ be a mage...
Oh yeah, and the guy whose head turns into that of a dog must be a dog
shaman, bogus...


3) Restricted use spells
They actually modify the force, it's in the fetish section (I think).
Note that Shaman modifiers only add dice, not force (unless someone
has a different idea).

4) ritual Sorcery
ooohh, good one, make it up until the PC's try to do it, it's pretty
unlikely they'll have enough mages to go for it, so just go with what
feels right.

Phil (Runs-With-The-Pack)
Message no. 4
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: my questions III
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:46:35 +0200
> SRII.130,145&149
>
> Taking into account that :
> "Astral is usually bright no matter what the time of day on
> the physical plane" and the spells are cast (combat, not
> damaging manipulation) by opening partially to the astral
> plane. Are target modifiers for spells taking into account
> the light modifiers ?
>
> Yes
> *No (only the mist, smoke, fog and rain modifiers)

No if you percieve (not even mist and stuff), yes if you dont - the
"aura aligning" a spellcaster has to undergo in order to cast his spells is
definitely not pecieving as it does not make him vulnerablr to astral attacks.

> SRII.132 Noticing spellcasting
>
> What are we notivcing there ?
> A)Movements, mumbling and stange signs in the air.
> B)Visible energy
> *C)Both of these

Spellcasting does not require gestures and/or phrases unless the mage
himself chooses to do so/uses some relevant centering skill/has some geas.
I say visible energy and I base it on the fact that the TN is derived from
the power of the spell. We affectionatelly refer to this as the "lighthouse
effect" :)

> SRII.133 Restricted use spells
>
> Are these restrictions modifing the force of the spell
> only for the number of dices rolled or for the resisting target
> number and astral force too ?
>
> *Yes (all of these are modified)
> No (only the number of dices)

Definitely Yes

> SRII.135 Ritual sorcery
>
> What is the limit of the force of the spell send by a ritual
> team.
>
> A)Only preparation (the circle, and time)
> B)The one who know it at the highest force
> C)The one who know it at the lowest force
> *D)The force at wich the leader know the spell

I think D ... not sure though

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Message no. 5
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: my questions III
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:47:56 +0200
> > Taking into account that :
> > "Astral is usually bright no matter what the time of day on
> > the physical plane" and the spells are cast (combat, not
> > damaging manipulation) by opening partially to the astral
> > plane. Are target modifiers for spells taking into account
> > the light modifiers ?

> But there is a +2 for precieving.

Only for non magical tasks - spellcasting is definitely magical.

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

GCS d H s+: !g p1 !au a- w+ v-(?) C++++ UA++S++L+>++++ L+>+++ E--- N++ W(+)(---)
M-- !V(--) -po+(---) Y+ t++ 5++ R+++ tv b++ e+ u++(-) h*(+) f+ r- n!(-) y?
Message no. 6
From: NIGHTFOX <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: my questions III
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:33:57 -0700
>> SRII.133 Restricted use spells
>>
>> Are these restrictions modifing the force of the spell
>> only for the number of dices rolled or for the resisting target
>> number and astral force too ?
>>
>> *Yes (all of these are modified)
>> No (only the number of dices)
>
> Definitely Yes

Force for spell resistance and number of dice are modified.
Astral Force is NOT - repeat NOT effected.


Nightfox
Message no. 7
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: my questions III
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:17:53 +1000
Vincent Pellerin writes:

> "Astral is usually bright no matter what the time of day on
> the physical plane" and the spells are cast (combat, not
> damaging manipulation) by opening partially to the astral
> plane. Are target modifiers for spells taking into account
> the light modifiers ?

Yes, because the magician simply cannot see enough in the brief microsecond
that he opens the link to the astral. He must already be "targeted in" on
the target of his spell before he opens the astral link to send the spell on
its way. That way he must be able to clearly see his target when he casts
the spell, and so visibility modifiers and so on apply (re page 130 SRII).
OTOH, if you think along the lines that magic is how you think or view it
(remember that discussion a few weeks ago?), then maybe it is just because
people think that way. Note that on pg 130 it also says that a magician
cannot use astral perception to cast spells at invisible targets. Now, while
I'd normally say that if you were using astral perception then you would not
receive visibility modifiers (since astral space is always bright), this
does put a bit of a spanner in the works. I can't really see why FASA ruled
that way on the invisibility spell, anyone else got any ideas?

> What are we notivcing there ?

The spells astral-echo shimmer effects mainly. Also the appearance of the
caster - does he look to be concerntrating? Id he looking directly at the
spot the fireball just exploded from? Has his face turned slightly odd
(shamans)? Geasa are pretty noticeable, and are a different thing entirely.

> Are these restrictions modifing the force of the spell
> only for the number of dices rolled or for the resisting target
> number and astral force too ?

As Nightfox said, and see page 110 of the Grimything.

> What is the limit of the force of the spell send by a ritual
> team.

I'd say it would be equal to the lowest force known by any of the team
members, like the book says, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

--
Damion Milliken Nominee for the title of _Shadowrun Guru_ adm82@***.edu.au

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