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Message no. 1
From: Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: my questions II, the sequel
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 20:45:47 -0500
Well, i am stricking again in continuing to send you my questions.

Thank you everybody for the clarification about aol vs awol and
FASATom@***.com (to wich i just sended the questions and the responce was
almost immediate, he will answer them!!!!!! YES, YES, YES (joy, user jumping
up and down in front of is computer)).

I will stop attaching my document to be sure everybody get them (if
you wonder how i have done it, i have send it to myself and back).

Damion Milliken- you assumed right, (in saying i have 43 other
questions hanging around), I simply think posting 10 pages of questions
here, all at once, is not a show of good e-mail etiquette (not that i know
anithing about it beside flaming and smileys :-) ). I will try to separate
them in subjects, with no more than 5 per shot if possible.

Gurth- (The attach document i used is in the message bar in eudora)
The reason why i can't get my sig on this is : this computer is at school, i
can't keep the modifications !



So here they are, the second batch.

>> SRII.112 Healing Stun damage
>>
>> Do someone reroll after a condition level is healed?
>> Ex. Someone with serious stun damage roll and recover is 3 box in
>> an hour, does he reroll once he reach moderate or does he continue
>> with the same time per box ?
>>
>> Yes
>> *No
>>
>> SRII.113 Doctoring table
>>
>> Can you tell me what is considered "long term magical care" ?
>>
>> A)Repeated use of the heal spell, each day. (no direct effect
>> after the first one, but at long term maybe..)
>> B)Special rituals, demanding sorcery or enchanting(Alchemy),
>> conjuring spirits of man (for shaman). Please specify.
>> C)A spell called "long term magical care", not in any book.
>> D)An effect demanding only sorcery and a little time each
>> days, that can be done by any mage or shaman.
>> E)A special skill.
>>
>> SRII.129 Multiple targets
>>
>> With a sustained spell like levitate, if it is cast with
>> multiple targets...
>>
>> does it count as multiple spells for the sustaining
>> purpose(one per target) ?
>> Yes
>> *No
>> can you control the movement individually ?
>> *Yes
>> No (only as a group, everybody goes the same way)
>>
>> Can you "drop" only some target and continue with the
>> others ?
>>
>> *Yes
>> No
>>
>> SRII.129 Spell stacking
>>
>> If the two spells have a duration of sustained, is a
>> stacked spell sustained as one spell, or is this two spells to
>> sustain.
>>
>> *A)one (in this case a manipulation/illusion could be sustained
>> by what type of elemental ?).
>> B)two
>>
>> SRII.130 Area-effect spells
>>
>> I am a little confused on how to resolve a sustained area
>> effect spell, see wich example is correct
>> Ex. Chaotic world on a bunch of goons.
>>
>> *A)The caster choose a spot where the center of the spell will
>> take effect, all inside are affected, but if they leave the
>> area the spell loose is effect.
>> B)The caster choose a target on wich he will ground the spell,
>> the spell is centered on the target and affect every goons
>> around him.
>> C)The caster choose an area, every goons inside this area are
>> affected and even if they exit the area, they continue to be
>> affected. But the area is not "affected" by the spell
>> anymore.
>> D)Choice of the caster at the moment.
>>
>> SRII.130 Spell targeting
>> You need to see the target to cast a spell but do you
>> need to see it to sustain it ?
>>
>> Yes
>> *No
>>
>> SRII.130 Spell targeting
>>
>> It is said that optical binoculars are fine for casting,
>> can you add thermo or low light to them and still be able to cast
>> with them.
>>
>> *Yes (considering that these enhancements can be made optic
>> (can they ?))
>> No (They are automaticly digializing the image)
>>
>> Can you perceive in astral space with binoculars and
>> mirror.
>>
>> *Yes ( see next question for reason)
>> No (Only spell casting can use these)
>>


Vince
Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: my questions II, the sequel
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:19:01 +0930
Vincent Pellerin wrote:
> So here they are, the second batch.
>
> >> SRII.112 Healing Stun damage
> >>
> >> Do someone reroll after a condition level is healed?
> >> Ex. Someone with serious stun damage roll and recover is 3 box in
> >> an hour, does he reroll once he reach moderate or does he continue
> >> with the same time per box ?

I reroll.

> >> SRII.113 Doctoring table
> >>
> >> Can you tell me what is considered "long term magical care" ?
> >>
> >> A)Repeated use of the heal spell, each day. (no direct effect
> >> after the first one, but at long term maybe..)
> >> B)Special rituals, demanding sorcery or enchanting(Alchemy),
> >> conjuring spirits of man (for shaman). Please specify.

Long term magical care is when you cough up the extra money for a magical
healer, pure and simple. :)

More particularly, it's not repeated use of the heal spell (which is a
once-off), but more like special rituals designed to heal the body. It
might also fall into the category of a special skill, or perhaps a
specialisation of the standard Biotech skill. Put bluntly, it's not
something your typical runner would be able to do.

> >> SRII.129 Multiple targets
> >>
> >> With a sustained spell like levitate, if it is cast with
> >> multiple targets...
> >>
> >> does it count as multiple spells for the sustaining
> >> purpose(one per target) ?

Yep.

> >> can you control the movement individually ?

Yep.

> >> Can you "drop" only some target and continue with the
> >> others ?

Most certainly.

Actually, I'll clarify the above. _Most_ sustained spells have individual
targets. To do it to more than one thing requires multiple spells. Some
spells have multiple (area-effect, really) targets. Chaotic World and Mob
Mind come to mind. These do obey the above rule, but the difference is that
the "target" is really an area, not an object.

> >> SRII.129 Spell stacking
> >>
> >> If the two spells have a duration of sustained, is a
> >> stacked spell sustained as one spell, or is this two spells to
> >> sustain.

Spell stacking is just a means of casting multiple spells simultaneously.
They are considered seperate spells.

> >> SRII.130 Area-effect spells
> >>
> >> I am a little confused on how to resolve a sustained area
> >> effect spell, see wich example is correct
> >> Ex. Chaotic world on a bunch of goons.
> >>
> >> *A)The caster choose a spot where the center of the spell will
> >> take effect, all inside are affected, but if they leave the
> >> area the spell loose is effect.
> >> B)The caster choose a target on wich he will ground the spell,
> >> the spell is centered on the target and affect every goons
> >> around him.

I do it like B. A might be a valid way of looking at a sustained spell
which can be cast at a point (most spells have to be cast at targets).

The question of what happens when they leave the area-of-effect is a
toughy... I'd have the spell stop affecting them, but I can see a valid
arguement for some spells to still work.

> >> SRII.130 Spell targeting
> >> You need to see the target to cast a spell but do you
> >> need to see it to sustain it ?

You betcha. Also, for touch based spells, you have to stay in contact. The
same with any other conditions that might hold.

> >> SRII.130 Spell targeting
> >>
> >> It is said that optical binoculars are fine for casting,
> >> can you add thermo or low light to them and still be able to cast
> >> with them.
> >>
> >> *Yes (considering that these enhancements can be made optic
> >> (can they ?))

Hmm... A nice question. Low light _can_ be done optically. Thermo can't,
really (the optical technique involes putting special recptors in your
eyes, which would be a neat trick to do with a set of binoculars).

> >> Can you perceive in astral space with binoculars and
> >> mirror.

Damn good question. This is going to spark off the debate on how you "see"
in the Astral again (and we'd only just stopped it). Me... I'd say yes. You
could even do it while projecting, if the mirror or binocular was in the
right position (obviously you couldn't carry it with you).

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
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Message no. 3
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: my questions II, the sequel
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:46:28 +0200
> SRII.112 Healing Stun damage
> Do someone reroll after a condition level is healed?
> Ex. Someone with serious stun damage roll and recover is 3 box in
> an hour, does he reroll once he reach moderate or does he continue
> with the same time per box ?
> Yes
> *No

Yes you reroll.

> SRII.113 Doctoring table
> Can you tell me what is considered "long term magical care" ?
> A)Repeated use of the heal spell, each day. (no direct effect
> after the first one, but at long term maybe..)
> B)Special rituals, demanding sorcery or enchanting(Alchemy),
> conjuring spirits of man (for shaman). Please specify.
> C)A spell called "long term magical care", not in any book.
> D)An effect demanding only sorcery and a little time each
> days, that can be done by any mage or shaman.
> E)A special skill.

I'd say its just a buzzword to raise the prices :) For me
"long term magical care" includes one casting of treat/heal and if
apropriate castings of detox etc. spells and the luxury of having
a mage/shaman at your discosal for anything that might come up.

> SRII.129 Multiple targets
> With a sustained spell like levitate, if it is cast with
> multiple targets...
> does it count as multiple spells for the sustaining
> purpose(one per target) ?
> Yes
> *No
> can you control the movement individually ?
> *Yes
> No (only as a group, everybody goes the same way)

If the spell is castable on other targets than the caster himself -
then yes. They count as different spells and everyone can choose
his own flightpath. That is until someone develops an object oriented
operating system for magic :)

> Can you "drop" only some target and continue with the
> others ?
> *Yes
> No

Definitely.

> SRII.129 Spell stacking
> If the two spells have a duration of sustained, is a
> stacked spell sustained as one spell, or is this two spells to
> sustain.
> *A)one (in this case a manipulation/illusion could be sustained
> by what type of elemental ?).
> B)two

Definitely two spells, stacking allows you to get off more than one
spell at a time - this however doesnt mean that you weave them into
one spell !!!

> SRII.130 Spell targeting
> You need to see the target to cast a spell but do you
> need to see it to sustain it ?
> Yes
> *No

It depends, I had the same question for a long time until I ran
Celtic Doublecross (cool run BTW). In it the players got attacked
by some protestant terrorists that had incr. attribute spells
cast on them. The module said that a mage of the organisation
was sustaining them, but he was not present. So I goes that
you dont - id' be carefull with that though, there might be spells
that can really phuck your day up.

> SRII.130 Spell targeting
> It is said that optical binoculars are fine for casting,
> can you add thermo or low light to them and still be able to cast
> with them.
> *Yes (considering that these enhancements can be made optic
> (can they ?))
> No (They are automaticly digializing the image)
> Can you perceive in astral space with binoculars and
> mirror.
> *Yes ( see next question for reason)
> No (Only spell casting can use these)

Definitely not, such enhancements digitise the image and process
it electronically. But why would a mage need something like that
when he's got astral perception - OTOH perception makes you
vulnerablr to astral attacks......

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: my questions II, the sequel
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:12:54 +0200
> Gurth- (The attach document i used is in the message bar in eudora)

I know -- I used it a few times but it came through all garbled and messed
up, I understood from the recipients...

>The reason why i can't get my sig on this is : this computer is at school, i
>can't keep the modifications !

That's a problem, yes :)

>>> Do someone reroll after a condition level is healed?
>>> Ex. Someone with serious stun damage roll and recover is 3 box in
>>> an hour, does he reroll once he reach moderate or does he continue
>>> with the same time per box ?
>>>
>>> Yes
>>> *No

I let the players roll for every box separately. In that way it can take you
an hour to heal one box, and 10 minutes for the next, and then 30 minutes
for the third, etc.

>>> Can you tell me what is considered "long term magical care" ?

Check out the NAGEE6, because I don't think FASA really worked that point
out anywhere.

>>> I am a little confused on how to resolve a sustained area
>>> effect spell, see wich example is correct
>>> Ex. Chaotic world on a bunch of goons.
>>>
>>> *A)The caster choose a spot where the center of the spell will
>>> take effect, all inside are affected, but if they leave the
>>> area the spell loose is effect.

This one, I'd say.

>>> You need to see the target to cast a spell but do you
>>> need to see it to sustain it ?
>>>
>>> *No

This is borne out by one of the novels -- the one with the Chicago troll who
pretends to be dumb (Changeling, I think).

>>> It is said that optical binoculars are fine for casting,
>>> can you add thermo or low light to them and still be able to cast
>>> with them.
>>> No (They are automaticly digializing the image)

Fields of Fire says that low-light optical systems would be the size of a
telescope used for observing the stars.


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Message no. 5
From: Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: my questions II, the sequel
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 14:13:25 -0500
Jani Fikouras wrote (i snipped my questions)

> It depends, I had the same question for a long time until I ran
>Celtic Doublecross (cool run BTW).
Yes! I have done it as a player, i am really surprised we didn't flunked it,
we where lucky (prerequisite for a shadowrunner i think).
> (text snipped)
>> SRII.130 Spell targeting
>> It is said that optical binoculars are fine for casting,
>> can you add thermo or low light to them and still be able to cast
>> with them.
>> *Yes (considering that these enhancements can be made optic
>> (can they ?))
>> No (They are automaticly digializing the image)

> Definitely not, such enhancements digitise the image and process
>it electronically.

And the thermo might not need to digitise the image in the futur.. ( just
shift the frequency of the infrared photons to the visible spectrum)

and..
Gurth said..

>Fields of Fire says that low-light optical systems would be the size of a
>telescope used for observing the stars.

Thats true but it depend on how much light amplification you want !

>> Can you perceive in astral space with binoculars and
>> mirror.
>> *Yes ( see next question for reason)
>> No (Only spell casting can use these)

back to Jani Fikouras
>But why would a mage need something like that
>when he's got astral perception - OTOH perception makes you
>vulnerablr to astral attacks......
>
What do OTOH mean ? (sorry i really dont know this abrev.)

What i meant was, can you use a binocular to perceive in astral (no
enhancements), since you can use it to cast spells (this is a peak on the
astral after all), you should be able to see with them.

Other than that it is often useful to have gogles instead of astral
perception (for the reason you wrote) and some other : One of the questions
i send was about astral vision and conditions of light. But when i have
these goggles (low light and/or thermo) there is situation where i want to
cast (wich can be a problem if the image is digitised. Anyway i don't think
these enhancements would work on astral sight (what about cyber-eyes ?)
Thanks for your comments.

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Message no. 6
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: my questions II, the sequel
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:40:50 +0200
> > Definitely not, such enhancements digitise the image and process
> >it electronically.
>
> And the thermo might not need to digitise the image in the futur.. ( just
> shift the frequency of the infrared photons to the visible spectrum)

Well ok this is not image enhancement, but it definitely counts as
procecing so I guess that it still blocks magic.

> back to Jani Fikouras
> >But why would a mage need something like that
> >when he's got astral perception - OTOH perception makes you
> >vulnerable to astral attacks......
> >
> What do OTOH mean ? (sorry i really dont know this abrev.)

On The Other Hand :) you better pray no list.grumpy.member reads this
cause I think OTOH is explained in the faq :)

> What i meant was, can you use a binocular to perceive in astral (no
> enhancements), since you can use it to cast spells (this is a peak on the
> astral after all), you should be able to see with them.

Well I guess so, but why ?

> Other than that it is often useful to have gogles instead of astral
> perception (for the reason you wrote) and some other : One of the questions
> i send was about astral vision and conditions of light. But when i have
> these goggles (low light and/or thermo) there is situation where i want to
> cast (wich can be a problem if the image is digitised. Anyway i don't think
> these enhancements would work on astral sight (what about cyber-eyes ?)

Cyber eyes - the rules explicitely sate it - they also say that its
because the mage has payed essence for the cyber thus making it a part
of himself.

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Message no. 7
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: my questions II, the sequel
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 19:36:47 +1000
Jani Fikouras writes:

> > SRII.112 Healing Stun damage

You roll for each individual box the way I read it. Each box takes an hour
divided by successes, then you roll for the next one.

> > Can you tell me what is considered "long term magical care" ?

Although I can't really answer this one, I'd say that it is something minor
that any magician can do. He has to visit the patient each day, and spend a
little time doing something or other (rituals, or whatever). But this is
'cause I'm a softy of a GM and allow my players to heal up quickly after
firefights. :-)

> > With a sustained spell like levitate, if it is cast with multiple
> > targets...does it count as multiple spells for the sustaining purpose(one
> > per target) ?

No idea. It could be well argued either way. But, I'd say that it only
counted as a single spell for sustaining purposes, that everyone under the
effects of it would be moved in the same directions simultaneously, and that
you had to either drop the spell on them all, or none.

> > SRII.129 Spell stacking

Most certainly two individual spells. As Jani says, you can cast multiple
spells at once, but they are not a single spell.

> > SRII.130 Spell targeting
> > You need to see the target to cast a spell but do you
> > need to see it to sustain it ?

I'd always assumed no, and never really even considred it otherwise. The
mage in Mercural has a sustained spell going on the three sammies who attack
the runners at the start of the module. I have yet to find it problematic,
and I've been using the rule ever since I started playing.

> > It is said that optical binoculars are fine for casting, can you add
> > thermo or low light to them and still be able to cast with them.

Not unless the LL or Thermo systems are optical ones. LL optical is possible
and (as far as I know) Thermo is not. The LL system would be a little on the
unusual side (ie hard to get ahold of) and probably be bulky too.

> > Can you perceive in astral space with binoculars and mirror.

Sure. The mirrors and lenses involved have the same properties on the astral
as the physical, so they will allow you to see around corners and maginify
your vision as normal.

--
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