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From:	Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject:	My questions V
Date:	Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:47:16 -0500

Message no. 1 Well, here i am still sending you my favorite questions, but before we begin
i have.... Yes ! some questions ! (i am inquisitive, am i not!), and some
clarification.

Damion Milliken answer to
>> You can allocate spell defense to anything in your LOS as far as I'm aware.
>
with..
>Providing it is on the same plane as you. This works fine for spell locks,
>but not the others. However, the others fall under the catagory of spells on
>the astral, and are therefore affected by the rules on pg 148, which says
>that the caster of a spell may allocate Magic Pool dice to assist the spell
>in astral combat.

Yes, that was the idea when i asked the question.

SRII.140 Aid sorcery

If an fire elemental has the order to protect someone
from combat spell, are is dices used up only if a spell is cast or
as soon as they are allocated (see P85, magic pool), spell or no
spell to defend against ? (The same goes for the spellcasting,
does he wait for you to use is dices or must you specify when
you'll use them.)

*A)Only if a spell is cast
B)They are used when allocated (Better have a really good
timing eh!)

Well, i might have been trying to cram to questions at once on this one i'll
clarify one.

When an elemental have the order "aid sorcery" frome is master, he can help
a mage with some dice for is magic pool. BUT, since magic dice are
allocated at the beginning of the actions of the mage (and i beleive a
mundane can be protected by this command as well, but i could be in error,
anyways..)and that the spell defense dices are allocated at this time: The
question is, are these dices (given by the elementals) used up when
allocated (at the allocation of spell defense) or when actually resisting a
spell.

(Can we use shielding with these dices ? Sorry, just wondering....)

well this is the moment you where waiting for. Frag em, dreck them, etc..

4 3 2 1 ..

SRII.146 Astral movement

Since the foci follow the astrally projecting character,
can a power focus (active) speed up fast movement ?

*Yes
No

SRII.146 Astral projection

If a mage fall inconscious (10 box of stun) while astraly
projecting, what appen to him ?

A)He'll be disrupted and wake up in his body
B)He'll be astrally "dragged" to his body
*C)He'll stay there until he heal the stun damage (and
eventually die from lost essence)
D)He'll die

SRII.146 Astral projection

Is an astrally projection character able to change is
appearance beside his clothes ? What about an initiate ? If yes,
is it enough not to be recognized ?

yes
*No

SRII.146 Astral projection

Can you use spell defense and shielding from astral space
to the physical space?

*Yes
No

SRII.147 Resolving astral combat

It is said we can use sorcery skill for astral combat,
would the rating include the spellcasting concentration or not ?

Yes
*No

SRII.147 Barrier

What happen to a mage with sustained spell on himself
(quickened or locked), active magical item etc. who tries to walk
through a barrier, ward, medecine lodge...

*A)The spells would be considered inside the aura of the mage
and would pass but not the magical items.
B)Nothing would pass
C)everything would pass
D) The barrier would attack everithing astraly active

<<<< I konw, this one is answered in the naga >>>>

SRII.147 Barrier

Can a mage use spell defense or shielding across an
astral barrier ?

*Yes (with a modifier equal to the barrier rating maybe ?)
No

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Sun, 2 Apr 1995 10:59:39 +0200

Message no. 2 > Since the foci follow the astrally projecting character,
>can a power focus (active) speed up fast movement ?
>
> *Yes

I'd say it can.

> If a mage fall inconscious (10 box of stun) while astraly
>projecting, what appen to him ?
>
> B)He'll be astrally "dragged" to his body

I'd go for this one. In my game, he'd just go unconcious and wake up in his
body when enough damage is gone for him to wake up. I also don't use that
thing about any damage to the physical body putting it into a coma.

> Is an astrally projection character able to change is
>appearance beside his clothes ? What about an initiate ? If yes,
>is it enough not to be recognized ?
>
> *No

You can't hide an aura so far that it can't be recognized. An initiate can
make it appear like he's not, or less, magically active, but he can't hide
who he is (can he?).

> It is said we can use sorcery skill for astral combat,
>would the rating include the spellcasting concentration or not ?
>
> Yes
> *No

Only if you use the concentration of Astral Sorcery. Other concetrations
would use the base skill.

> What happen to a mage with sustained spell on himself
>(quickened or locked), active magical item etc. who tries to walk
>through a barrier, ward, medecine lodge...
>
> D) The barrier would attack everithing astraly active

The ward gets one attack to try and kill the spell lock. If this attack
fails to do Deadly damage, the lock is undamaged and on the other side of
the ward. If the attack does do D damage, the lock is also on the other side
but isn't functioning anymore.

> Can a mage use spell defense or shielding across an
>astral barrier ?
>
> *Yes (with a modifier equal to the barrier rating maybe ?)

Is there an astral barrier? I take it you mean normal Barrier spells; and
I'd say he can, possibly with the +1 for attacking through a barrier.

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From:	Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Sun, 2 Apr 1995 18:39:04 +0930

Message no. 3 > Well, i might have been trying to cram to questions at once on this one i'll
> clarify one.
>
> When an elemental have the order "aid sorcery" frome is master, he can help
> a mage with some dice for is magic pool. BUT, since magic dice are
> allocated at the beginning of the actions of the mage (and i beleive a
> mundane can be protected by this command as well, but i could be in error,
> anyways..)and that the spell defense dices are allocated at this time: The
> question is, are these dices (given by the elementals) used up when
> allocated (at the allocation of spell defense) or when actually resisting a
> spell.

I do it when you allocate the dice. Even if it doesn't go off, the dice
have been used.

> (Can we use shielding with these dices ? Sorry, just wondering....)
>
Sure, why not?

> Since the foci follow the astrally projecting character,
> can a power focus (active) speed up fast movement ?

Say what? The foci don't follow you, they never leave. Question null and
void.

> If a mage fall inconscious (10 box of stun) while astraly
> projecting, what appen to him ?
>
> B)He'll be astrally "dragged" to his body
> *C)He'll stay there until he heal the stun damage (and
> eventually die from lost essence)
> D)He'll die

Depends on how it happened. If it's done to his astral body, I say he gets
dragged back to his body, where he'll have 10 box of stun damage. Do it to
his physical body, and he'll die (it takes almost no damage at all to kill
a projecting person).

If you keep the mage in the Astral, they'll probably die anyway, as their
Essence starts falling.

> Is an astrally projection character able to change is
> appearance beside his clothes ? What about an initiate ? If yes,
> is it enough not to be recognized ?

Whoa.. your Astral body is your stylized self-image. This may mean a fairly
radical change in appearance. You couldn't normally change this at will,
though it may change over time. An initiate... yeah, I'd say Masking would
be able to change this, but it could be seen through if you penetrate the
Masking.

> Can you use spell defense and shielding from astral space
> to the physical space?

Ah... yeah, I'd say so.

> It is said we can use sorcery skill for astral combat,
> would the rating include the spellcasting concentration or not ?

I'd say yes, but only when combating spells.

> What happen to a mage with sustained spell on himself
> (quickened or locked), active magical item etc. who tries to walk
> through a barrier, ward, medecine lodge...
>
> *A)The spells would be considered inside the aura of the mage
> and would pass but not the magical items.
> B)Nothing would pass
> C)everything would pass
> D) The barrier would attack everithing astraly active

We just had this one out... The barrier would attack everything astrally
active, and would keep attacking until they were all destroyed, or the
barrier was. You cannot penetrate the barrier until it is gone, or you have
nothing astrally active on you. You are aware it's happening, though, so
odds are the barrier would only get one shot before you popped into Astral
space to deal with it (or deactived your foci, etc)(.

> Can a mage use spell defense or shielding across an
> astral barrier ?
>

A nice question... I'd say no, unless it's their own barrier.

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From:	Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Sun, 2 Apr 1995 16:48:50 +0200

Message no. 4 > SRII.140 Aid sorcery
>
> If an fire elemental has the order to protect someone
> from combat spell, are is dices used up only if a spell is cast or
> as soon as they are allocated (see P85, magic pool), spell or no
> spell to defend against ? (The same goes for the spellcasting,
> does he wait for you to use is dices or must you specify when
> you'll use them.)
>
> *A)Only if a spell is cast
> B)They are used when allocated (Better have a really good
> timing eh!)

Oh if you mean it that way, then its B. It gives you the power and you decide
what to do with it. Ofcourse that means that it canot be used (not directly)
on mundanes (only if a mage got the dice first and then reallocated them).

> (Can we use shielding with these dices ? Sorry, just wondering....)

Well its the mage who does the protecting, the elemntal just supplies the
power so I seems logical to allow shileding if the mage himself is an
initiate.

> SRII.146 Astral movement
>
> Since the foci follow the astrally projecting character,
> can a power focus (active) speed up fast movement ?
>
> *Yes
> No

Yep.

> SRII.146 Astral projection
>
> If a mage fall inconscious (10 box of stun) while astraly
> projecting, what appen to him ?
>
> A)He'll be disrupted and wake up in his body
> B)He'll be astrally "dragged" to his body
> *C)He'll stay there until he heal the stun damage (and
> eventually die from lost essence)
> D)He'll die

You only get physical in the astral, so he dies (D).

> SRII.146 Astral projection
>
> Is an astrally projection character able to change is
> appearance beside his clothes ? What about an initiate ? If yes,
> is it enough not to be recognized ?
>
> yes
> *No

I am afraid I dont understand your question. What do you mean with
recognised? Do you mean in the physical plane (when manifesting)?
Or do you mean in the astral ? Its imposible to disguise yourself
in the astral masking is as far as you can get, but even that is not perfect
and I doubt that it can change your aura so that someone who knows you (it)
wont be able to recognise you. OTOH manifesting mages are so eerie that
noone would mistake them for anything but a manifesting mage.

> SRII.146 Astral projection
>
> Can you use spell defense and shielding from astral space
> to the physical space?
>
> *Yes
> No

No, but you can fight the spells directly. Anyway I am nor sure about this
but it does make astral fights more epic and it gives mages that emphasise
on skills rather than initiation grades a chance.

> SRII.147 Resolving astral combat
>
> It is said we can use sorcery skill for astral combat,
> would the rating include the spellcasting concentration or not ?
>
> Yes
> *No

Definitely not :) Aint it cool ?

> SRII.147 Barrier
>
> What happen to a mage with sustained spell on himself
> (quickened or locked), active magical item etc. who tries to walk
> through a barrier, ward, medecine lodge...
>
> *A)The spells would be considered inside the aura of the mage
> and would pass but not the magical items.
> B)Nothing would pass
> C)everything would pass
> D) The barrier would attack everithing astraly active
>
> <<<< I konw, this one is answered in the naga >>>>

I'll cut it out a post it tomorrow.

> SRII.147 Barrier
>
> Can a mage use spell defense or shielding across an
> astral barrier ?
> *Yes (with a modifier equal to the barrier rating maybe ?)
> No

No

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From:	Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Mon, 3 Apr 1995 21:35:03 -0400

Message no. 5 >Jani Fikouras answer to my questions
>> SRII.146 Astral projection
>>
>> If a mage fall inconscious (10 box of stun) while astraly
>> projecting, what appen to him ?
>>
>> A)He'll be disrupted and wake up in his body
>> B)He'll be astrally "dragged" to his body
>> *C)He'll stay there until he heal the stun damage (and
>> eventually die from lost essence)
>> D)He'll die
>
> You only get physical in the astral, so he dies (D).

Last time i checked a mage could do physical or stun damage when attacking
in astral, so it semms logical to assume you still have both condion monitor
on the astral. Spells, magical objects, wards, etc. have only one, the
physical.

>> SRII.146 Astral projection
>>
>> Is an astrally projection character able to change is
>> appearance beside his clothes ? What about an initiate ? If yes,
>> is it enough not to be recognized ?
>>
>> yes
>> *No
>
> I am afraid I dont understand your question. What do you mean with
>recognised? Do you mean in the physical plane (when manifesting)?
>Or do you mean in the astral ? Its imposible to disguise yourself
>in the astral masking is as far as you can get, but even that is not perfect
>and I doubt that it can change your aura so that someone who knows you (it)
>wont be able to recognise you. OTOH manifesting mages are so eerie that
>noone would mistake them for anything but a manifesting mage.
>
I was speaking for the astral space only, the initiate can mask himself so
maybe it is possible to be unrecognisable. The rulebook state that you can
make your "clothes" and other articles as you wish in the atral (sorry, dont
have the words of the book), maybe you can put on an "astral mask" on your
face ? (and become the batman of astral space maybe?)

>> SRII.146 Astral projection
>>
>> Can you use spell defense and shielding from astral space
>> to the physical space?
>>
>> *Yes
>> No
>
> No, but you can fight the spells directly. Anyway I am nor sure about this
>but it does make astral fights more epic and it gives mages that emphasise
>on skills rather than initiation grades a chance.
>
It seems in some runs* FASA put on the market that this is possible, but the
rules books would not go the same way. *(ex: killing glare)

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From:	Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:09:43 +1000

Message no. 6 Vincent Pellerin writes:

> When an elemental have the order "aid sorcery" frome is master, he can help
> a mage with some dice for is magic pool. BUT, since magic dice are
> allocated at the beginning of the actions of the mage (and i beleive a
> mundane can be protected by this command as well, but i could be in error,
> anyways..)

No, you're right. A magician can protect anything he can see, whether it is
mundane or even inanimate. pg 109 SRII.

> and that the spell defense dices are allocated at this time: The
> question is, are these dices (given by the elementals) used up when
> allocated (at the allocation of spell defense) or when actually resisting a
> spell.

I'd say that since they become a part of the magicians Magic Pool, then they
have to abide by all the requirements of being a Magic Pool. Which means if
you want to use the dice for spell defence, you need to allocate them at the
start of your action.

> (Can we use shielding with these dices ? Sorry, just wondering....)

Since the dice are to be treated exactly the same as Magic Pool dice, then
if the magician is an initiate, sure.

> Since the foci follow the astrally projecting character,
> can a power focus (active) speed up fast movement ?

I would assume so, it modifies the magicians Magic Attribute, and this in
turn determines the magicians speed on the astral, so yes.

> If a mage fall inconscious (10 box of stun) while astraly
> projecting, what appen to him ?

I'd say he'll fall over where he is on the astral. Why should he be dragged
back to his body? If he were concious, he actually needs to find his damn
body to get back into it, so why should he be dragged back into it if he
passes out and is unconcious? If my body was stolen (sounds like a movie
from a long time ago...) by someone while I was out in astral space, and I
couldn't find it, I could merely cast a Stunbolt on myself, pass out, and be
automatically dragged back to my body. I say he stays where he is on the
astral, and better hope like hell he wakes up before his Essence runs out.

> Is an astrally projection character able to change is
> appearance beside his clothes ? What about an initiate ? If yes,
> is it enough not to be recognized ?

An astrally projecting magican can radically change his appearance. Look at
the example on page 146 SRII. Masking only allows an initiate to hide the
fact that he is initiated (or to hide the fact that he is magically active
at all), not to alter his appearance (AFAIK).

> Can you use spell defense and shielding from astral space
> to the physical space?

Although the book doesn't say, it does compare the LOS requirements of spell
defence to those of spellcasting. From this I'd say that it was not possible
to allocate spell defence dice across the planes.

> It is said we can use sorcery skill for astral combat,
> would the rating include the spellcasting concentration or not ?

A completely unjustified opinion, but one which makes sense to me is: no.

> What happen to a mage with sustained spell on himself
> (quickened or locked), active magical item etc. who tries to walk
> through a barrier, ward, medecine lodge...

When any astrally active presence (foci, spells, dual beings, projecting
magicians etc) tries to pass through a ward, it will be attacked. It will
not be able to pass until either the ward is destroyed, or it is destroyed
(or turned off if applicable).

> Can a mage use spell defense or shielding across an
> astral barrier ?

Good one. I've no idea.

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From:	Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:45:37 +0200

Message no. 7 > >Jani Fikouras answer to my questions
> >> SRII.146 Astral projection

> > You only get physical in the astral, so he dies (D).
>
> Last time i checked a mage could do physical or stun damage when attacking
> in astral, so it semms logical to assume you still have both condion monitor
> on the astral. Spells, magical objects, wards, etc. have only one, the
> physical.

Yep, your right I was thinking more on drain :) Well I'd say the mage just
falls unconsious and gets dumped out of the astral... But why would anyone
choose to do stun.

> I was speaking for the astral space only, the initiate can mask himself so
> maybe it is possible to be unrecognisable. The rulebook state that you can
> make your "clothes" and other articles as you wish in the atral (sorry,
dont
> have the words of the book), maybe you can put on an "astral mask" on your
> face ? (and become the batman of astral space maybe?)

No I dont think so, its as gurth said, masking can hide your power and
a mage could even change his "exterior", but if someone really knows you
(knows your aura) and directly looks at you - there is no way to hide from
him.

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From:	Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:52:55 +0200

Message no. 8 > I'd say he'll fall over where he is on the astral. Why should he be dragged
> back to his body? If he were concious, he actually needs to find his damn
> body to get back into it, so why should he be dragged back into it if he
> passes out and is unconcious? If my body was stolen (sounds like a movie
> from a long time ago...) by someone while I was out in astral space, and I
> couldn't find it, I could merely cast a Stunbolt on myself, pass out, and be
> automatically dragged back to my body. I say he stays where he is on the
> astral, and better hope like hell he wakes up before his Essence runs out.

I realise the problem here, but you must consider that the only way
to get stun damage in the astral is to get hit by another mage who choses to
do stun. Spells are no spell in the astral remember ! So even if you
manage to cast a stunnbolt at yourself (which I doubt) it will be some
astral animal and will do physical to you.

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From:	Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Tue, 4 Apr 1995 17:30:25 -0400

Message no. 9 >Jani Fikouras wrote
>>
> Yep, your right I was thinking more on drain :) Well I'd say the mage just
>falls unconsious and gets dumped out of the astral... But why would anyone
>choose to do stun.
>

Well, my mage as a pretty warped sense of honor and try not to kill
anybody unless he as no choice. I played him two years when is only combat
spell was stunbolt and i did go in astral combat doing stun against other
mages.

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:42:46 +0200

Message no. 10 >> I was speaking for the astral space only, the initiate can mask himself so
>> maybe it is possible to be unrecognisable.
>
> No I dont think so, its as gurth said, masking can hide your power and
>a mage could even change his "exterior", but if someone really knows you
>(knows your aura) and directly looks at you - there is no way to hide from
>him.

This brings me to something I've been wondering about for some time: if
you've only ever seen someone's astral self, would you recognize him if you
met him on the physical plane (with or without assensing him)? I mean, your
"idealized self-image" can look _very_ different from what you look like in
everyday life...

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From:	Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Wed, 5 Apr 1995 13:47:16 +0200

Message no. 11 > > No I dont think so, its as gurth said, masking can hide your power and
> >a mage could even change his "exterior", but if someone really knows
you
> >(knows your aura) and directly looks at you - there is no way to hide from
> >him.
>
> This brings me to something I've been wondering about for some time: if
> you've only ever seen someone's astral self, would you recognize him if you
> met him on the physical plane (with or without assensing him)? I mean, your
> "idealized self-image" can look _very_ different from what you look like in
> everyday life...

I'd say that you cant unless you percieve for a while and take a peek at
his astral form.

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From:	Louis Barrera <lbarrera@****.NASA.GOV>
Subject:	Re: My questions V -Reply
Date:	Wed, 5 Apr 1995 12:35:10 -0700

Message no. 12 Gurth writes:
This brings me to something I've been wondering about for some time: if
you've only ever seen someone's astral self, would you recognize him if
you met him on the physical plane (with or without assensing him)? I
mean, your
"idealized self-image" can look _very_ different from what you look like in
everyday life...

I write:
Depends on whether you feel generous. I give them a Magic rating test
(base rating, not augmented by foci, initiation ok) with a TN of 8, with
modifiers for the amount of time dealing with the astral image, masking,
level of initiation, nature of the being, appearance on the physical. This is
without assensing.

In answer to another posting, I tend to rake mages over the coals. Well, I
rake sammies over the coals too. Like isn't fair, TANJ.

Lou - TANSTAAFL

From:	Vincent Pellerin <Vincent.Pellerin@***.GMC.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:14:05 -0400

Message no. 13 Gurth wrote
>This brings me to something I've been wondering about for some time: if
>you've only ever seen someone's astral self, would you recognize him if you
>met him on the physical plane (with or without assensing him)? I mean, your
>"idealized self-image" can look _very_ different from what you look like in
>everyday life...
>
IMHO ( :-) ) i don't think he would recognize him, this is more a
gut feeling than a logical explanation. Maybe a small chance, the radically
different image of the astrally projecting mage might have a lot of common
points to his "grounded" image. His magical attribute, his "astral
power"
or whatever, is determined by is physical body in most part, but since his
other attributes are from is mental capacities, who knows ? I would
certainly give a chance to a player to "make the connection" between the
two, but it would be slim, unless he was looking at the other in astral
percepetion. In every case, i believe our self image is based in parts, on
how we look and our faces. I usually juge the people i meet, by there
face, the way they move use their hand,(even their names!) etc.. Some of
these thing would certainly carry over to the astral plane. The feeling you
already know someone could be from a previous astral meeting!

Well, that just my humble opinion.

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From:	Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:31:03 +1000

Message no. 14 Gurth writes:

> This brings me to something I've been wondering about for some time: if
> you've only ever seen someone's astral self, would you recognize him if you
> met him on the physical plane (with or without assensing him)? I mean, your
> "idealized self-image" can look _very_ different from what you look like in
> everyday life...

Exactly, so unless the viewer got another look at the persons aura, then he
would have no idea he'd met/seen them before. Unless, of course, the persons
astral image was very similar to their real image.

--
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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: My questions V
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:33:09 +0200

Message no. 15 >Exactly, so unless the viewer got another look at the persons aura, then he
>would have no idea he'd met/seen them before. Unless, of course, the persons
>astral image was very similar to their real image.

In other words: everyone the players are supposed to recognize have astral
images similar to their physical ones, and the other guys haven't... :)

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