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Message no. 1
From: Snake Eyes snake.eyes@********.att.net
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 20:17:49 -0700
So, I see that (at least here in the States) McDonald's is now giving away
these "Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog" action figures with a Happy Meal.
Evidently, these Mystic Knights also have their own half-hour cartoon show,
which I freely admit I've never seen.

My questions are:

1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?

2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology that
I'm missing?

Please enlighten me.

~ Snake Eyes
Message no. 2
From: Patrick Driggett psychopat@***.gulf.net
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:32:15 -0500
Though I don't have an answer to number one I do have one to number two...

At 08:17 PM 5/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>So, I see that (at least here in the States) McDonald's is now giving away
>these "Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog" action figures with a Happy Meal.
>Evidently, these Mystic Knights also have their own half-hour cartoon show,
>which I freely admit I've never seen.
>
>My questions are:
>
>1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?

Tir Nan Og as it is properly said is the mystic isle of elves in Celtic
religion which is also where one goes as a sort of after-life. This is the
next life after the physical one on Earth in which everyone is immortal and
lives in peace in a sort of Heaven of the Celtic religion. There are other
small specifics about Tir Nan Og but there were never any Mystic Knights of
any sorts, unless during all of my research into it I have missed
something, but I highly doubt it.

>2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology that
>I'm missing?
>
>Please enlighten me.
>
>~ Snake Eyes

I'm glad I could put my two-cents worth into this list since I mostly just
take a sideline and read

PsychoPat
Message no. 3
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 23:32:43 -0400
>So, I see that (at least here in the States) McDonald's is now giving
away
>these "Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog" action figures with a Happy
Meal.
>Evidently, these Mystic Knights also have their own half-hour cartoon
show,
>which I freely admit I've never seen.
>
>My questions are:
>
>1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?

OK, who's got a carp? get the wet carp. (I get to do my first
thwapping...ooo!) Mystic Knights is a commerical American cartoon not
done by WB, which means no killing, utterly simplistic, and poor
character design. (Oh yeah, those anime-lovin' roots are beginning to
show...) Shadowrun is quite the opposite, so no tie-in. There are
Cyberknights in Tir na Nog, and some Warriors of the Northern Paths
(?), but no Mystic Knights, at least none that I can remember, and if
there are, I think they'd be high-level initiate mages and physads,
and a lot meaner and more violent than the Mystic Knights (saw the
toon, hated the toon, went back to Batman Beyond for my Saturday
morning cartoon dose).

While I'm thinking about cartoons, would it be possible to make a
shamanic conjuring adept based on a Pokemon trainer? Uh...summoning a
storm spirit that looks like a chubby yellow devil rat...

>2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology
that
>I'm missing?


The term is Gaelic for "the land," I believe (I know I'm wrong on this
one). Where's that sourcebook when I need it? Better yet, where's my
Magic and Myth in Ancient Cultures book?
Message no. 4
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 23:41:07 EDT
In a message dated 5/2/99 8:37:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

> The term is Gaelic for "the land," I believe (I know I'm wrong on this
> one). Where's that sourcebook when I need it? Better yet, where's my
> Magic and Myth in Ancient Cultures book?
>
land of Youth

just as Tir Tairngire is the Land of Promise

someone else already went through some ore specifics :-)
Message no. 5
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Mon, 3 May 99 00:08:35 -0400
On 5/2/99 11:17 pm, Snake Eyes said:

>
>So, I see that (at least here in the States) McDonald's is now giving away
>these "Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog" action figures with a Happy Meal.
>Evidently, these Mystic Knights also have their own half-hour cartoon show,
>which I freely admit I've never seen.

I have never seen it either but it is in the same vein as the Mighty
Morphing Power Rangers. Live action not animated.

>
>My questions are:
>
>1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?

Heh none, imaging Hercules meets the the Power Rangers (scary I know) and
that's the show. If anything it would be closer related to Earthdawn.

>
>2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology that
>I'm missing?
>

Yes, Tir Na Nog comes from Celtic Mythology (that's why Shadowrun named
Ireland Tir Na Nog) It means the Land Of Plenty (among many other
meanings) it is slightly analogous to the Christian Heaven. It is also
the land of the faries, some Arthurian Legends have him sailing to Tir Na
Nog (which is closely associated with Avalon here) after his battle with
Mordred. Until the last 5 years or so I would not have called Celtic
Mythology common, but with the success of such shows as Riverdance, Lord
of the Dance, Braveheart, and others all things Gaelic are much more at
the forefront of public consciousness than at any time (atleast here in
America). Heck, Loreena Mckennett even had a hit song.

Steve
Message no. 6
From: Steven A. Tinner bluewizard@*****.com
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 00:03:08 -0400
>>1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?
>
>OK, who's got a carp? get the wet carp. (I get to do my first
>thwapping...ooo!)

OK, now you get to receive one! ;-)

>Mystic Knights is a commerical American cartoon not
>done by WB, which means no killing, utterly simplistic, and poor
>character design. (Oh yeah, those anime-lovin' roots are beginning to
>show...)

THWAP!
Nice try, but no.
MN is a LIVE ACTION show, not a cartoon. Small difference, yes, but still
important especially because ...
MN is a Saban (think Power Rangers) produced ripoff of an existing Japanese
program.(Just like - you guessed it! Power Rangers)
If you check out the original series (name escapes me right now) you'll find
a MUCH better plot, better acting, and a LOT more fun mindless violence! ;-)

As for tha "Anime-lovin' roots" when you know the whole story it makes more
sense, no? ;-)

I'll grant you one thing ... the American rip-off sucks royal choad.

>>2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology
>that I'm missing?

It's one of several Celtic realms mentioned in their mythology.
It was alternatively a realm of the fae, Heaven, or something like Valhalla,
a realm where warriors could retire to eternal battle and glory.
That does to into SR, as when the elves took control ofIreland, they renamed
it Tir-Nan-Nog to give it a mystic feel, and reshape it;s identity as an
elven nation.
Check out the Tir Tairgire Sourcbook for more info.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://listen.to/tinner
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Message no. 7
From: Nexx Many-Scars nexx@********.net
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:20:31 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Snake Eyes <snake.eyes@********.att.net>
>
> 1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?

Zilch. These guys are another Power Ranger-spinnoff

> 2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology
that
> I'm missing?

Tir Na Nog is Irish for "Land of Youth", and features prominently in the
Ossain and (I believe) Fenian cycles of Irish myth. The home of the shide,
a land where no one ever grows old. Ironically enough (from a Shadowrun
perspective) it was supposed to be over the sea, west of Ireland, not the
isle itself.
Message no. 8
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 23:01:54 -0500
On Sun, 02 May 1999 20:17:49 -0700 Snake Eyes
<snake.eyes@********.att.net> writes:
>So, I see that (at least here in the States) McDonald's is now giving
away
>these "Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog" action figures with a Happy Meal.
>Evidently, these Mystic Knights also have their own half-hour cartoon
show,
>which I freely admit I've never seen.

The Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog is a Celtic version of the Power Rangers
(and Live-action, not cartoon) and should be avoided (IMO) at all costs
:).

>My questions are:
>
>1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?

None except that which you (or anyone else) want to create.

>2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology
that
>I'm missing?

Not my field. :)

>Please enlighten me.

*Shines a flashlight on Snake Eyes*
Consider yourself enlightened :P~

--
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(aka Pixel)
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Message no. 9
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 00:14:48 -0400
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven A. Tinner <bluewizard@*****.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: Mystic Knights?


>>>1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?
>>

>OK, now you get to receive one! ;-)


Ooo...and to think, I usually have to pay someone to hit me with a wet
fish.

>THWAP!
>Nice try, but no.

I forgot about that, but matters not. Live or animated, suck is still
suck.

>MN is a Saban (think Power Rangers) produced ripoff of an existing
Japanese
>program.(Just like - you guessed it! Power Rangers)
>If you check out the original series (name escapes me right now)
you'll find
>a MUCH better plot, better acting, and a LOT more fun mindless
violence! ;-)
>
>As for tha "Anime-lovin' roots" when you know the whole story it
makes more
>sense, no? ;-)

Maybe. There aren't a lot of things more fun than completely
unjustified, gratuitous anime violence.

Completely off the subject, I remember there was a Japanese manga
version of SR a few years back. That, and why isn't there a Japan
sourcebook? FASA's done every place in the world but, and that seems
strange, especially sicne Japan plays such an important part in the SR
world.

>I'll grant you one thing ... the American rip-off sucks royal choad.


Most kid's shows based in the US do. And Saban's worse than most, as
they take away everything that made the Japanese version so much fun
in the first place (can you imagine them taking over the Robotech or
Voltron projects...? Ugh!) In general, I tend to dislike most US
animations, though Groening is bringing back to a mature level.
Exceptions: The Batman stuff is cool (better and truer to the comic
than the movies, and that's just the tip of the iceberg), as is the
Superman stuff and Batman Beyond (still need to find that first
episode! I missed the premiere!).

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Message no. 10
From: Steve Collins einan@*********.net
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Mon, 3 May 99 00:46:05 -0400
On 5/2/99 11:20 pm, Nexx Many-Scars said:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Snake Eyes <snake.eyes@********.att.net>
>>
>> 1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?
>
>Zilch. These guys are another Power Ranger-spinnoff
>
>> 2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology
>that
>> I'm missing?
>
>Tir Na Nog is Irish for "Land of Youth", and features prominently in the
>Ossain and (I believe) Fenian cycles of Irish myth. The home of the shide,
>a land where no one ever grows old. Ironically enough (from a Shadowrun
>perspective) it was supposed to be over the sea, west of Ireland, not the
>isle itself.

Minor quibble here but to early (read pre Roman conquest) Celts living on
the British mainland Ireland was frequently considered to be Tir Na Nog.
Remember that early they were all Celts not Welsh and Irish. It was also
possible (if dangerous) for a mortal to sail to Tir Na Nog and back.

Steve
Message no. 11
From: runnerpaul@*****.com runnerpaul@*****.com
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:38:55 -0400 (EDT)
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At 11:01 PM 5/2/1999 -0500, dghost@****.com wrote:
>>1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?
>None except that which you (or anyone else) want to create.

In my campaign for example, Saban Entertainment (makers of Power
Rangers et. al.) was sued into bankruptcy by a class action
anti-defamation suit brought by the entire elvish population of Tir Na
Nog. :)

(RJR Nabisco suffered a similar fate over the trademark "Keebler
Elves", except it was every elf on the planet who sued them.)

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Message no. 12
From: Ahuizotl cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:59:09 -0500
Snake Eyes escribió:
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1. What is the Shadowrun tie-in, if any, to these Mystic Knights?

none as far as i know
>
> 2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology that
> I'm missing?

yes, but i think a lot of people can answer this better than me :)

Ahuizotl
Message no. 13
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: Mystic Knights?
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:04:03 +0100 (BST)
|2. Is there some other reference to a Tir Na Nog in common mythology that
|I'm missing?

Tiy Na Nog is the land of the dead in Irish mythology.
(There was a computer game on the 8-bits in the eighties LOOOONG before
shadowrun saw the light of day...)

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